Classify the actors in the movie "Troy"

[Awar]

You are using a strawman. Nobody and also Mr Kemp, suggested that "Scandinavians invaded Greece".

Kemp, Earlson, Barney the Dinosaur, whatever.
It's all equally worthless.

And as you also resort to covered personal attacks you're whole argument becomes discredited.

Stop being so childish.

[Horagalles]

Kemp, Earlson, Barney the Dinosaur, whatever.
It's all equally worthless.
Stop being so childish.

Your response proves my point . And what does this have to do with the subject of the thread?
"Classify the actors in the movie "Troy""

[Awar]

Your response proves my point .

What's proven here is that you like sweet little lies more than the cold truth.

Of course it's more likely that any book which strokes one's ego
will be more popular than scientific fact which doesn't care for dellusions
of grandeur.

And what does this have to do with the subject of the thread?
"Classify the actors in the movie "Troy""

What do your little intrusions have to do with anything?

[Gareth]

@ Awar or whoever otherwise:
Do you have any data about the DNA variation in Afghanistan? It would be interesting to see what constitutes the Afghanid.

This map is the closest approach I have:



One of these maps includes the Kazan Tartars of which I posted pictures in a different thread.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v5...roupsMaps1.png
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v5...roupsMaps3.png
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v5...roupsMaps2.png

[Awar]

R1b is an ancient Eurasian haplogroup. It's currently most dominant in western Europe,
especially Ireland, but, it's age and spread are so ancient, it exists in a relatively high percentage among ALL Europeans, and as you see, it's common even in Asia.

As you see, Armenians are mostly a mix of palaeolithic 'R1b' with neolithic 'J',
Georgians are mostly neolithic 'J' and some subclade of 'I'. Svaneti are surprisingly mostly 'I' with a little R1a. ( thus similar with Ukrainians in that respect ).

Azeris are mostly neolithic J, with the second largest being R1b.
Turkmens are a similarly to Armenians a mix of R1b and J, but with central-Asian K ( which is probably a leftover from the time when they became Turkified ).

Kurds, who are an Iranian-speaking Indo-European people have ( surprise, surprise )
a lower ammount of 'R1b' and the central Asian 'K' but higher frequencies of 'I', 'R1a' and 'J'.

Uzbeks and Kyrgiz who are Turkic-speaking are mostly 'R1a'
Also, Iranian Tajiks are dominantly 'R1a'. I'm not sure of the exact subclade,
but, this could be closely connected to the ancient expansion of Indo-European
languages into India ( and this area was on the path ). I suppose that the 'R1a' people
had iron, at the time the other peoples didn't.

Afghanistan is out of the map.

[Awar]

btw. you can see that the Ossetians ( the descendants of Alans, who are left-overs of Scythians and Sarmatians ) have an almost identical combination and ammount of haplogroups as do the 'Yugoslavians' ( Serbs, Croats, Bosnians, Montenegrins and Macedonians ) or Bulgarians.



It seems to differ from study to study though.

[Horagalles]

What's proven here is that you like sweet little lies more than the cold truth.

Of course it's more likely that any book which strokes one's ego
will be more popular than scientific fact which doesn't care for dellusions
of grandeur.

What do your little intrusions have to do with anything?

You didn't prove anything, but I suspect you reject the authors/books, because of "your ego", not due to scientific fact.
If I've to explain why your arguments are flawed, its not worth to continue any discussion with you.

[Awar]

How typical.

[RedJack]

how do they determine which haplogroups are "palaeolithic" and which are "neolithic"?

[Awar]

how do they determine which haplogroups are "palaeolithic" and which are "neolithic"?

It's just a label with regard to which haplogroup entered Europe in what era.
The 'palaeolithic' HG's are direct descendants of the HG's which entered Europe
during the time of the neanderthals.

The Neolithics aren't any 'newer' than the other haplogroups, they just entered Europe during the Neolithic, bringing with them agriculture.