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    Post Re: AW: Re: AW: Re: AW: Re: AW: Re: AW: Re: Classify the actors in the movie "Troy"

    Quote Originally Posted by RedJack
    And you make fun of Arthur Kemp? LOL, I see you have a huge axe to grind, makes me wonder how much faith I can put in your assertion that there is NO genetic trace of Swedes left in Greece.
    First, you need to know that haplogroup 'I' originated in the Balkans/Anatolia region, some 25.000 years ago. Before that, it came from the middle-east.

    The haplogroup R1b is the most common haplogroup in Europe. Most frequent in western Europe ( since it spread out of Iberia some 10.000 years ago ), but it's also very common in the Caucasus and elsewhere, on account of being a branch of the ancient pre-ice-age haplogroup 'R'.

    The haplogroup R1a is of eastern European origin, and is closely connected to recent Slavic migrations ( in the 5th-7th century AD )

    It takes some 10-12.000 years for a subclade to separate.

    It's rather simple. Swedish are predominantly of a local subclade haplogroup 'I', 'N3' some 'R1b', some 'R1a' and traces of neolithic ancestry.
    The uralic 'N3' has been present in Scandinavia for more than 5000 years.

    The Greeks are predominantly Neolithic J and E3b, the local 'I1b', and traces of R1a and R1b.

    Haplogroup N3 is completely absent in Greece.
    Whatever invasion that could've happened which came from Scandinavia would bring at least some N3 to Greece, and at least some Scandinavian haplogroup 'I'.

    That's based on the data available.

    It's simply impossible that Scandinavians invaded Greece, but left absolutely no trace on either male or female lineages in Greece.

    There is also the strong possibility that the 'R1a' and 'R1b' found in Scandinavia is of a different subclade than that found in the southern Balkans.

    If you like Kemp, you might also enjoy Barney the Dinosaur.

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    Post Re: Classify the actors in the movie "Troy"

    Does Barney write about the Balkans?
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    Post Re: Classify the actors in the movie "Troy"

    Quote Originally Posted by RedJack
    Does Barney write about the Balkans?
    I'll tell you about it when you read my previous post again and make
    serious comments on it

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    Post Re: Classify the actors in the movie "Troy"

    Awar, could you please post some pictures of your Balkanoid type? I am always looking for UP allies in this middling, gracile world.

    Thanks.
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    Post Re: AW: Re: AW: Re: AW: Re: AW: Re: AW: Re: AW: Re: AW: Re: Classify the actors in th

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyklop
    There is a lot of evidence that the Dorians had a Central European/Danubian origin


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    Danubian Culture, the oldest in Europe.



    The Lepenski Vir site on the Danube River, from 5000 BC, show the Old Stone Age hunter-gatherer people were now living in permanent settlements composed of one or more extended families. These were the forerunner of towns and cities as we would know them. About 200 to 300 people would have lived here. The "houses" resembled tents built from skins stretched over wood uprights. But they were laid out along ordered streets, and this shows some form of centralized planning was used. The Lepenski Vir people also made stone sculptures.



    http://www.omniglot.com/writing/vinca.htm
    http://www.rastko.org.yu/arheologija...vinca_eng.html
    http://donsmaps.com/lepenski.html
    http://www.umiacs.umd.edu/users/lpv/YU/HTML/vir.html
    http://library.thinkquest.org/C006353/lepenski_vir.html
    http://kravcev9.tripod.com/arch1/id2.html
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    Post Re: Classify the actors in the movie "Troy"

    Of course, there's no ONE Balkanoid type. Phenotype depends on so many variables, it's unrealistic to expect uniform caucasoid populations. Not even when it comes to ancestry, because many fluctuations have happened through the ages, thanks to things like sexual selection, nutrition, major historical events etc. etc.

    Without any noticeable genetic admixture, Germany ( for example ) went from
    dominantly dolichocephalic medieval populations to brachycephals in more recent times.

    Besides all that, there's such a thing as facial expression which makes a great difference also.

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    Post Re: Classify the actors in the movie "Troy"

    BTW, how would you guys classify Tyler Mayne, the guy who played Ajax?
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    Post Re: Classify the actors in the movie "Troy"

    Quote Originally Posted by RedJack
    BTW, how would you guys classify Tyler Mayne, the guy who played Ajax?
    Skando-Brunnid - He is 6'10".
    Last edited by Edwin; Saturday, March 26th, 2005 at 05:24 AM.

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    Post Re: AW: Re: AW: Re: AW: Re: AW: Re: AW: Re: Classify the actors in the movie "Troy"

    Quote Originally Posted by Awar
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    Haplogroup N3 is completely absent in Greece.
    Whatever invasion that could've happened which came from Scandinavia would bring at least some N3 to Greece, and at least some Scandinavian haplogroup 'I'.

    That's based on the data available.

    It's simply impossible that Scandinavians invaded Greece, but left absolutely no trace on either male or female lineages in Greece.
    ...
    If you like Kemp, you might also enjoy Barney the Dinosaur.
    You are using a strawman. Nobody and also Mr Kemp, suggested that "Scandinavians invaded Greece". And as you also resort to covered personal attacks you're whole argument becomes discredited.

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