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    Question What are Mexicans and the South Amercians?

    In Vinland we usually think of Mexicans as illegal immagrants and a sort of culture and race. Their skin color is tanned, but arnt they just Whites? Arn't they decendants of the Spanish and Portugese settelers? Please correct me if I am wrong, and help me understand this topic a bit more.
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    Post Re: What are Mexicans and the South Amercians?

    Quote Originally Posted by alphaknave
    In Vinland we usually think of Mexicans as illegal immagrants and a sort of culture and race. Their skin color is tanned, but arnt they just Whites? Arn't they decendants of the Spanish and Portugese settelers? Please correct me if I am wrong, and help me understand this topic a bit more.
    Mexicans are mostly Mestizos ( central-Amerindian + caucasoid mixes ).
    The lower classes are usually more Mestizo and Amerindian, while upper classes
    are more European.

    From what I've read, some 60-65% of the population is Mestizo, the rest being Amerindian, European etc.

    The Spanish and Portuguese people look very different from average Mexicans.
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    Post Re: What are Mexicans and the South Amercians?

    Quote Originally Posted by alphaknave
    In Vinland we usually think of Mexicans as illegal immagrants and a sort of sub-human culture and race. Their skin color is tanned, but arnt they just Whites? Arn't they decendants of the Spanish and Portugese settelers? Please correct me if I am wrong, and help me understand this topic a bit more.
    White is a weird term but being in the states myself, I understand what you mean. So, are Mexicans white?

    From what I've read, there are some in Mexico in the higher classes who are still predominantly of European (usually Spanish) descent (say 95% or higher at a genetic level). So with this in mind, we can say that this minority is basically Europid at a genetic and a phenotypic level. Does this make them 'white'? Dunno.

    As for the much larger (in sheer numbers) Mexican rank and file, a different sort of entity appears. These are the ones that are crossing the borders in the dead of night in search of a few bucks and that we think of as illegal immigrants working at shit jobs for dirt wages.

    Here, the European derived fraction of the Mexican gene pool is much smaller and in many cases, next to none. These folk, by and large, are the descendents of the native Indians who lived there when the Europeans arrived in the 1400s and in ernest, in the 1500s.

    Percentages of European and Indian 'blood' will vary from person to person and region to region. There have been some genetic studies done (which I don't have on hand) which would paint a more precise picture--but I would hazard to estimate that the 'typical' Mexican peasant who desires to come to the US is anywhere from 50%-100% native Indian and what isn't Indian is some blend of European and even some African Negroid thrown in (though not a whole lot, I believe).


    Old photos of Mexican school kids reveal the Indian heritage quite plainly:

    http://www.llanogrande.org/media/pho...h2--1940s1.JPG

    http://www.llanogrande.org/media/pho...uch--1940s.JPG

    Another old pic showing a mostly Indian look (with a little black kid too ):

    http://www.americaslibrary.gov/es/ne...xican_1_e.html


    Mexican president Vicente Fox has been noted as a largely Europid ("white") Mexican:

    http://images.google.com/images?hl=e...vicente+fox%22

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    Post Re: What are Mexicans and the South Amercians?

    Mexican population is reported on De Agostini "ethnic atlas", like 60% mestizos, 30% amerindian and 10% white. These percentages are different from percentages of 100 years ago. The mestizo percentage increased violently by the begin of 20th century. Anyway, Latin american concept of race, is very different from Anglo-saxon concept like all you know very well. The real problem is the 60% of mestizo. This mass is very ambiguous phenotypically speaking. There are people who could pass for white med or south-med, while there are people who are not different from Amerindian, Although, all consider themselves mestizos. Probably the "phenotypical" reality is this : 20%, who could pass for white, 50% in the real mid, and a fully 30% (almost a third of pop.) predominantly amerindian.

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    Post A white Mexican with very Spanish and European looks

    I found this Mexican actor which must have Spanish ancestry.
    His name is Gael García Bernal.
    Take a look and notice the light-mixed eyes which I guess are greyish-blue:


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    Post Re: A white Mexican with very Spanish and European looks

    [QUOTE=Fredrik]I found this Mexican actor which must have Spanish ancestry.
    His name is Gael García Bernal.
    Take a look and notice the light-mixed eyes which I guess are greyish-blue:

    Are you sure he is mexican ? If it's so, he'is a perfect example of white mexican

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    Post Re: A white Mexican with very Spanish and European looks

    My experience of South Americans here in Sweden would indicate that the amount of Negroid admixture is notable. In some individuals that is, probably not in the whole populations.

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    Post Re: A white Mexican with very Spanish and European looks

    Quote Originally Posted by Oskorei
    My experience of South Americans here in Sweden would indicate that the amount of Negroid admixture is notable. In some individuals that is, probably not in the whole populations.
    It depends from the latin american ethnicity you're talking. Every south american nationality has a particular racial background. Some nationalities have effectively a notable amount of african admixture (for example Colombians, Brazilian Venezuelan etc.). Perhaps i'll post a thread on the argument

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    Post Re: A white Mexican with very Spanish and European looks

    Quote Originally Posted by Northern Tiger
    It depends from the latin american ethnicity you're talking. Every south american nationality has a particular racial background. Some nationalities have effectively a notable amount of african admixture (for example Colombians, Brazilian Venezuelan etc.). Perhaps i'll post a thread on the argument
    From my experience, Venezuelans (at least the ones who come here to the US) tend to be among the Whitest of all South Americans. Argentinians are in this class, as well. Of the Colombians I've known, few show any noticeable signs of negroid admixture, but most show definite signs of South American Indian admixture, some looking almost like pure Indios. As for Brazilians, I've seen them run the gammut from tall, blonde haired, and blue eyed to coal black. One brazilian girl I know looks like a Roman goddess, and is surely one of the most beautiful women I've seen. On the other hand, I know a Brazilian girl who looks like Sammy Davis Jr. in female form.

    What's both interesting and frustrating about some of the Mexican illegals who sneak into this country is that they don't even speak Spanish! Many of them only speak Mesoamerican languages like Mixtec. There was a case a year or so ago in Los Angeles in which an illegal migrant farm worker was spreading tuberculosis, but they couldn't treat him against his will, and they couldn't find anyone who spoke his language in order to convince him of the necessity of treatment. Why they didn't just deport him, I'll never understand.

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    Post Re: What are Mexicans and the South Amercians?

    Thank you everyone. You have answered my question completly, and thank you for the speed of your responses.

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