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  • The Vikings discovered America in 1000 AD; They were led by Eric the Red's son, Leif Erickson

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  • It was the Spanish in 1492, led by Christopher Columbus; That's what they taught me in school

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  • Duh, It was the Chinese; Didn't you read that book, "1421: The Year China Discovered America"?

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Thread: 'America Discovered!', But By Whom?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xanthochroid
    I never implied that we should not know the true history of the world.
    I never implied that we should not seek our origins.
    I never implied there is nothing else to learn or discover.

    It is just senseless to know about who discovered or first arrived on a certain continent let alone if that could happen, since a continent is a huge area where many can traverse at different times without bumping into each other. The whole concept of discovering land or sectors on this Earth is senseless. What you should all really be seeking the answer to is who arrived on Earth first.
    Your not implying we are aliens are you? :

    Maybe you don't find it interesting, who was where first or who discovered what, but a great deal of people do find it interesting.

    It helps shape our knowledge of our past, and past movements and migrations, which help to shine light on many other periphery subjects.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ShieldofDanelaw
    Your not implying we are aliens are you? :

    Maybe you don't find it interesting, who was where first or who discovered what, but a great deal of people do find it interesting.

    It helps shape our knowledge of our past, and past movements and migrations, which help to shine light on many other periphery subjects.
    It also starts wars, land and territorial disputes, and the building of fences.

    It would be great to know the migratory paths of our ancestors, But to know who "discovered" a certain terrain first? eyes:
    The third shall be the final and decisive one.

    He who knows not, and knows not that he knows not, is a fool - shun him.
    He who knows not, and knows that he knows not, is a child - teach him.
    He who knows, and knows not that he knows, is asleep - wake him.
    He who knows, and knows that he knows, is wise - follow him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xanthochroid
    It also starts wars, land and territorial disputes, and the building of fences.

    It would be great to know the migratory paths of our ancestors, But to know who "discovered" a certain terrain first? eyes:
    Part 'n' Parcel
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xanthochroid
    America was not discovered by anybody, all of the top people of the ancient world knew of or at least had hints to its existance. If anybody "discovered" America it would be the Natives who resided there before the colonial period.
    America was discovered by someone. Who & when we'll probably never know but ignoring possible contacts between Europe/the Mediterrenean & America pre-Columbus is choosing to ignore our heritage. Siberian-Americans, aka "the Indians", claim to have been here first. I would like to know if they committed genocide against an earlier Europid race. I know that before Columbus they had the habit of slaughtering & displacing other each other.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xanthochroid
    What you should all really be seeking the answer to is who arrived on Earth first.
    It's been answered: Bacteria.
    -In kalte Schatten versunken... /Germaniens Volk erstarrt / Gefroren von Lügen / In denen die Welt verharrt-
    -Die alte Seele trauernd und verlassen / Verblassend in einer erklärbaren Welt / Schwebend in einem Dunst der Wehmut / Ein Schrei der nur unmerklich gellt-
    -Auch ich verspüre Demut / Vor dem alten Geiste der Ahnen / Wird es mir vergönnt sein / Gen Walhalla aufzufahren?-

    (Heimdalls Wacht, In kalte Schatten versunken, stanzas 4-6)

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    The Norse Discovery of America

    The Norse Discovery of America




    This is a collection of texts relating to the voyages of the Norse west to America. A thousand years ago, nearly half a millennium before Columbus, the Norse extended their explorations from Iceland and Greenland to the shores of Northeastern North America, and, possibly, beyond.


    This volume from the Norroena collection contains all known sagas and documentary fragments which relate to this legendary exploration. It also contains analysis of the texts which should be read with a critical eye. While it is now certain that the Norse reached Nova Scotia, the claims in this book that they reached as far south as Boston--not to mention Georgia or South Carolina--are still controversial. There is also tangential discussion of whether the Irish managed to get to America prior to the Norse, an even more contentious assertion.


    Regardless, the texts in this three-part volume open up a window into a vivid era, and give glimpses of religion, society and travel in the period when the Norse were actively exploring the North Atlantic. They contain one of the only detailed descriptions of a pagan women's divination ritual, and deal with the expansion of Christianity from both sides. There are bone-chilling stories of disease, murder and jealousy in the small communities on the leading edge of Viking colonization. Reading these sagas inspires deep understanding of the life and motivations of the Scandinavian sea rovers and respect for their accomplishments in the field of exploration.



    Title Page
    List of Photogravures
    Contents
    Preface
    Introduction

    Book I. Arguments and Proofs That Support the Claim of Norse Discovery of America

    Chapter I. Early Fragmentary References to Wineland
    Chapter II. The Saga of Eric the Red
    Chapter III. The Wineland History of the Flatey Book
    Chapter IV. A Brief History of Eric the Red
    Chapter V. Wineland in the Icelandic Annals
    Chapter VI. Notices of Doubtful Value; Fictions
    Chapter VII. The Publication of the Discovery
    Notes

    Book II. Icelandic Records

    Arguments and Evidences Respecting the Wineland Discovery
    Introduction to a Study of Icelandic Records
    Second Period
    Third Period
    Last Period
    Saga of Erik the Red
    Voyage of Leif Erikson
    Saga of Thorburnfinn Karlsefne
    Voyage of Freydis, Helgi and Finnbogi
    Geographical Notices in Ancient Icelandic Manuscripts
    Monuments and Inscriptions
    Minor Narratives
    Voyage of Gudleif Gudlaugson to Great Ireland

    Book III. The Norsemen in America

    Chapter I. Norumbega
    Chapter II. Norse Voyages In The: Tenth And Following Centuries
    Chapter III. Columbus and the Norsemen
    Chapter IV. Discovery of America by the Irish
    Source: http://www.sacred-texts.com/neu/nda/index.htm

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    Thumbs Up The discovery of America.... by a Welsh Prince?

    Whilst it was generally believed that Columbus was the first European to discover America in 1492, it is now well known that Viking explorers reached parts of the east coast of Canada around 1100 and that Norwegian Leif Erikson's Vinland may have been an area that is now part of the United States. What is less known is that a Welshman may have followed in Erikson's footsteps, this time bringing settlers with him.

    According to Welsh legend, that man was Prince Madog ab Owain Gwynedd.
    A Welsh poem of the 15th century tells how Prince Madoc sailed away in 10 ships and discovered America. The account of the discovery of America by a Welsh prince, whether truth or myth, was apparently used by Queen Elizabeth I as evidence to the British claim to America during its territorial struggles with Spain. So who was this Welsh Prince and did he really discover America before Columbus?
    Owain Gwynedd, king of Gwynedd in the 12th century, had nineteen children, only six of whom were legitimate. Madog (Madoc), one of the bastard sons, was born at Dolwyddelan Castle in the Lledr valley between Betws-y-Coed and Blaenau Ffestiniog.

    On the death of the King in December 1169, the brothers fought amongst themselves for the right to rule Gwynedd. Madog, although brave and adventurous, was also a man of peace. In 1170 he and his brother, Riryd, sailed from Aber-Kerrik-Gwynan on the North Wales Coast (now Rhos-on-Sea) in two ships, the Gorn Gwynant and the Pedr Sant. They sailed west and landed in what is now Alabama in the USA.

    Prince Madog then returned to Wales with great tales of his adventures and persuaded others to return to America with him. They sailed from Lundy Island in 1171 and were never heard of again.

    They are believed to have landed at Mobile Bay, Alabama and then travelled up the Alabama river along which there are several stone forts, said by the local Cherokee Indians to have been constructed by "White People". These structures have been dated to several hundred years before Columbus and are of a similar design to Dolwyddelan Castle in North Wales. Were they built by Madog and his fellow settlers?

    Early explorers and pioneers found evidence of Welsh influence among the tribes of Indians along the Tennessee and Missouri Rivers. In the 18th century an Indian tribe was discovered that seemed different to all the others that had been encountered before. Called the Mandans this tribe were described as white men with forts, towns and permanent villages laid out in streets and squares. They claimed ancestry with the Welsh and spoke a language remarkably similar to it. They fished with coracles, a type of boat still used in Wales today. It was also observed that unlike members of other tribes, these people grew white-haired with age. In addition, in 1799 Governor John Sevier of Tennessee wrote a report in which he mentioned the discovery of six skeletons encased in brass armour bearing the Welsh coat of arms.
    Mandan Bull Boats and Lodges: George Catlin
    George Catlin, a 19th century painter who spent eight years living among various Indian tribes including the Mandans, declared that he had uncovered the descendants of Prince Madog's expedition. He speculated that the Welshmen had lived among the Mandans for generations, intermarrying until their two cultures became virtually indistinguishable. Some later investigators supported his theory, noting that the Welsh and Mandan languages were so similar that the Mandans easily responded when spoken to in Welsh.

    Mandan Indian Village: George Catlin
    Unfortunately the tribe was virtually wiped out by a smallpox epidemic introduced by traders in 1837. But the belief in their Welsh heritage still persists and is celebrated by a plaque placed alongside Mobile Bay in 1953 by the Daughters of the American Revolution.
    "In memory of Prince Madog," the inscription reads, "a Welsh explorer who landed on the shores of Mobile Bay in 1170 and left behind, with the Indians, the Welsh language."

    http://www.historic-uk.com/HistoryUK...yofAmerica.htm

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madoc


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    Re: 'AMERICA DISCOVERED!', But By Who?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lucifer
    And did they establish a state? A constitution? An army, a colony, a local economy? Put up a flag?

    No Furthermore 'America' is not 'Vinland'.
    No, they didn't. But the question wasn't who colonized America and began settling it, but rather who first discovered it. And the answer to that is quite simply Leif Eriksson. Leif's brother was actually the first European to ever die and be buried in North America.

    I remember reading a thread somewhere a while back. (Perhaps on skadi.net) about a theory that Irish monks found North America about 100 years or so before Leif Eriksson. I don't really buy into it, but has anyone else heard of this?

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    Re: 'AMERICA DISCOVERED!', But By Whom?

    Quote Originally Posted by Beorncyning
    But the question wasn't who colonized America and began settling it, but rather who first discovered it. And the answer to that is quite simply Leif Eriksson. Leif's brother was actually the first European to ever die and be buried in North America.
    Are you certain they were the first? They were certainly before Chris, but that doesn't make them the first. For years, we all thought Chris was the first, but now we've had to back off of that and give credit to the Norse (and they made it as far south as Cuba and the Yucatán, by the way). To whom will we have to give credit next? I don't think it's wise to assume that Leif or Bjarni or anyone else in that community was the first.

    Quote Originally Posted by Beroncyning
    I remember reading a thread somewhere a while back. (Perhaps on skadi.net) about a theory that Irish monks found North America about 100 years or so before Leif Eriksson. I don't really buy into it, but has anyone else heard of this?
    I have indeed heard of this. It's a relatively well known idea, in fact. I have never seen conclusive proof for it. But then, for centuries, the story about Leif was considered by everyone to be just an Icelandic old wives' tale. Now we know better. Perhaps it would ill-behove us to doubt the story about the Irish monks.

    I think it's impossible to determine who was the first European to reach America. And all the records of Europeans who did say they encountered people already here. Consequently, I think an attempt to go back in time to the very first and declare him the discoverer is misguided. Leif, for example, may have arrived in America — but did he discover it? or did it remain covered or obscure to Europe after his arrival? For the most part, it remained obscure. The Little Ice Age made it completely obscure again — you might say it recovered America. The man who finally blew the cover off America in terms of Europeans' interaction with the continent was definitely Christopher Columbus. No one else advertised well enough to really dis-cover the place.

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    Re: 'AMERICA DISCOVERED!', But By Whom?

    Australians and/or Melanesians were the first ones, but in the Western case it was the Vikings

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