Classify T. Cruise and P. Cruz

[Jkl]

I still don´t understand why people want to put Penelope Cruz and other Spaniards in that third world label """Hispanic""" or """Latino""". She is a white western European Spaniard. She has nothing to do with mestizos, amerindians, central americans, south americans. She is just European by culture and race; she is neither """Hispanic""" nor """Latino""". Why don´t people (mostly americans) start to understand it?.

[mav0ric]

While I agree that most spaniards I have met are White, I look at Penelope Cruz and I do NOT see a White girl. She is not White in my eyes. Thats my dividing line for the most part.

[Jkl]

Probably to your eyes she is not white because she is constantly put in the media as "latina" and We all know what is "latina" in the US (thirdworld mestizo race and culture). If the media is bombing everyday saying the "LATINA actress Penelope Cruz...", people will indentify her as some kind of non-white person.

She can´t say in the US media "I´m not latina I´m a white European Spaniard" because all the so-called "latinos" would start to hate her and think she is racist. That is why she can´t say anything about it.

I don´t know what other people on this board would say but antropologically she is as white as any other European. She is not nordic, she is not alpine, but she is a white mediterranean woman. She is white (look at the picture, does it looks that she has any non-white feature?).

[mav0ric]

I rarely see media entertainment reports. My observation of her being non White is from pictures and her movies that I have seen. She looks middle eastern to me. I would not breed with her as I feel she is not White.

[hardcorps]

I think she certainly looks white, obviously of the gracile, insular Med etc type.

I've seen many of her features in Irish girls. In particular there's a certain subtle facial morphology (forgive my imprecision!) I've observed in Irish women that Cruz possesses. Presumably this is the result of some shared distant Iberian heritage.

I agree that she lies at the borderline of acceptability, but for me falls inside it. (From what I've seen her facial features are very neat and regular, not at all exaggerated and hawkish like the Middle Easterners of the same colouring.) J-Lo is well past that line for me, she’s quite unacceptable.

(Unless you're breeding from the blondest, blue-eyed Halstatts, statistically certain offspring will ‘luck out’ in receiving all of the less distinctively white characteristics. What if a curly-haired, 'golden-skinned' Norwegian Nordish has children with a black-haired, brown-eyed, shorter-statured Irish Nordish person? One would expect that they would produce a certain proportion of offspring who are curly-haired, golden skinned, black-haired, brown-eyed, shortish and mesocephalic. The latter might not be the ideal, but would be 100% white, if not eligible for phenotypic nordishness.)

My point: a darkened phenotype will always be thrown up from time to time in even the whitest populations, excepting artificially created SS-style breeding programs. I accept that Cruz might not be preferred 'breeding stock,' but she is white. The inheritance of a preponderance of darker genes, through the lottery of gene recombination, does not invalidate the majority of other genes, such as those that influence character and affect IQ. Even if she looks a lot like some Middle Easterner, her character and IQ genes underwent very different selection pressures in Spain than some Leb goat-herder daughter’s genes which were matured in the backward Levantine desertlands for thousands of years.

I fully respect that people will draw the line at different points, but I would be interested in what exactly people consider non-white about her.

[Archangel Michael]

Originally posted by mav0ric
While I agree that most spaniards I have met are White, I look at Penelope Cruz and I do NOT see a White girl. She is not White in my eyes. Thats my dividing line for the most part.

In which case you need to change your glasses! She is white - mediterennean type.

[Scáthach]

she does seem white to me.i think shes pretty too!

[Archangel Michael]

Originally posted by mav0ric
I rarely see media entertainment reports. My observation of her being non White is from pictures and her movies that I have seen. She looks middle eastern to me. I would not breed with her as I feel she is not White.

LOL!! I think there are a lot more people who would prefer to breed with Cruz than with YOU!!

[Grimr]

LOL!! I think there are a lot more people who would prefer to breed with Cruz than with YOU!!

Why are you creating a homosexual implication? Thats quite odd.

[Archangel Michael]

No homosexual implication was intended - it was a generic comment!