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    This is link to slide show of portraits made by SS Artist Wolfgang Willrich. You can clear judge about Nordic phenotype of Allgemeine-SS members. File is in Microsoft Power Point format.

    http://www.nazi-lauck-nsdapao.net/portraete01.pps
    ~If The link don't work find slide show section on home page



    Also here is a part of the text, originally published in Eugenics Bulletin (Winter 1985), about SS racial selection criteria and peculiar Lebensborn homes in purpose of breeding endogamous biological elite. Heinrich Himmler said that in close future on every essential position in Reich administration will be members of Schutzstaffel and Alfred Rosenberg expected that SS leader class of the state will be about 80 % of Nordic blood. Link to the full text is bellow.




    ATTEMPTS TO BREED A BIOLOGICAL ELITE

    LEBENSBORN

    The most sensational accusation made against the Third Reich in this category is that it attempted a sort of positive eugenics program by the establishment of a "stud farm" institution known as Lebensborn (Spring of Life), where selected unmarried women of Nordic phenotype were supposedly mated with SS men, and the illegitimate offspring of these unions raised by the institution. Whether such an endeavor could ever legitimately be called a type of positive eugenics or not is irrelevant, since Lebensborn was nothing of the kind. To quote John Toland, the respected author of the most comprehensive biography of Hitler in the English language:

    . . . To promote (his) racial policy (Himmler) established Lebensborn (Spring of Life), an SS maternity organization whose main function was to assist racially sound unwed mothers and their children. Thousands of children in the occupied territories were kidnapped and raised in special SS installations . . . Lurid postwar accounts describe Lebensborn as "stud farms" where SS men and suitable young women were mated to breed a master race. While Himmler's program did nothing to discourage illegitimacy, there is no evidence that he sponsored illicit sexual liaisons nor is there any proof that the kidnapping of children was done on a large scale. The fact that there were only 700 employees in n1 the Lebensborn homes casts doubts on such claims (Toland 1977: 1046n).

    Eleuel (1974: 217,221) also exposes the "stud farm" myth:

    Fantastic rumors surrounded the Lebensborn or "Fount of Life" association, not only during the Third Reich but even more so after its downfall. SS brothel or stud-farm, or a cross between the two--such were the sensational constructions placed upon it by each according to his particular flight of fancy. The truth . . . was far simpler and less lurid. Lebensborn was in fact a rather bourgeois institution founded in conformity with a conservative sexual code, serving to keep up an appearance of middle-class respectability and run in accordance with an almost monastic set of regulations.

    . . . (M)en were strictly forbidden to visit the home except on special occasions. Male guests might then be invited to sip a cup of coffee, but any more intimate form of hospitality was taboo. The Lebensborn motto - "Every mother of good blood is our sacred trust" was puritanically followed to the letter.


    SS SELECTION AND MARRIAGE CRITERIA


    The National Socialist attempt to create a biological elite from which would come the future leadership corpus of the Reich was centered upon the SS. The program was initiated by Himmler in April 1929, four years before Hitler 's accession to power, when he submitted to him and to the current chief of the SA a draft of regulations according to which no one was to be allowed to enter the SS who did not meet the strictest criteria, which were almost exclusively racial and aimed at selecting for Nordic phenotypes (Hoehne 1971: 59). In a wartime speech, Himmler described the program retrospectively:

    Applicants for the SS had to submit photographs, and Himmler would peer at them through a magnifying glass until he was convinced that the applicants possessed "good blood" (Hoehne 1971 : 60) . On one occasion he told his officers:

    I used to think: are there any definite indications of foreign blood in this man--prominent cheekbones, for instance, which might cause people to say "he has a Mongolian or Slav look about him"? Why did I do that? Let me draw your attention to the lessons of experience. Think of the types who were members of the soldiers' councils in 1918 and 1919 (Hoehne 1971: 60).
    (The soldiers' councils were German soviet-style Communist organizations.)

    Hitler held out to the World War I generation of soldiers the prospect of the formation of a racial aristocracy, an ideological elite. In the late 1930s, he ordered the RuSHA (Rasse und Siedlungshauptamt = Race and Settlement Main Office) to compose new and more stringent criteria for SS candidates. SS Hauptsturmfuehrer (Captain) Professor Bruno K. Schultz, a physical anthropologist, transmitted a set of criteria to the RuSHA Racial Commission, before which all prospective SS members had to appear for their final examinations (Hoehne 1971: 166).

    Schultz divided his criteria into three parts: racial phenotype, physical condition, and "general bearing." He aimed his set of values to favor the Nordic type. He listed five racial groupings: "pure Nordic," "predominantly Nordic or Falic" [Falic = Brunn], "harmonious bastard [cross-breed] with slight Alpine, Dinaric or Mediterranean characteristics," "bastards of predominantly East Baltic or Alpine origin," and "bastards of extra-European origin." Only those in the first three categories were eligible to join the SS. Schultz also composed a list of nine categories of physical proportion as a guide for the physical examination of SS candidates (Hoehne 1971: 166). Candidates achieving ratings of 6-9 were passed; categories 4 and 5 were only passed after proving "Nordic qualities" in their behavior; while ratings 1-3 were failed (Knoebel 1965: 26). Himmler was adamant that his men be "of well-proportioned build; for instance there must be no disproportion between the lower leg and the thigh or between the legs and the body; otherwise an exceptional bodily effort is required to carry out long marches" (Hoehne 1971: 166-167). As to "Nordic bearing," Himmler put it this way: "The point is that in his attitude to discipline the man should not behave like an underling, that his gait, his hands, everything, should correspond to the ideal which we set ourselves" (Hoehne 1971: 167).

    No mention was made of intellectual or educational attainments. As Knoebel (1965: 27) states: "No moral and intellectual achievement was refined to qualify as a Herrenmensch [a man born to be master]." Knoebel (1965:18) explains why this had to be the case:

    . . . Certainly the SS never could have been developed along educational or social lines. The only criterion which could serve as a uniting bond was to establish the new elite along the lines of racial selection. This would make the Schutzstaffel [SS] attractive to ambitious upstarts as well as promise continued membership in the new elite to upper bourgeoisie and especially the nobility. Himmler had been fascinated with eugenic breeding ever since he had studied poultry science.

    Alcoholics were rejected or expelled, as Knoebel (1965: 29) makes clear: "Others, who qualified superbly according to the racial charts by the commission, were dismissed because they were found incapable of controlling their consumption of alcohol." On December 31, 1931 Himmler issued a marriage law for SS men which stated that they could marry "solely if the necessary conditions of race and healthy stock were fulfilled" and only after approval by him or by RuSHA. The SS man and his fiancee had to fill out a RuSHA questionnaire, take a comprehensive physical examination administered by an SS doctor, provide photographs of themselves in bathing suits taken from three angles, and submit proof of Aryan ancestry back to 1800 (for officers, back to 1750). (The term "Aryan" as used in National Socialist laws and regulations denoted a person of non-Jewish European origin.) RuSHA would determine if both prospective spouses deserved to be entered into the SS clan book; in the case of SS leaders, Himmler would make the decision personally (Hoehne 1971: 168-169, 177). To quote this order:

    1. The SS is a formation of German men in the Nordic mold . . .

    2. In keeping with National Socialist ideology and cognizant that our national future depends upon the selection and preservation of racially and hereditarily good stock, I am . . introducing a "marriage permit" for all single members of the SS.
    3. The intended aim is (to produce) a valuable clan of German stock in the Nordic mound.

    4. The marriage permit will be granted or refused solely on grounds of race and hereditary health.

    5. Every SS man who intends to marry must obtain a marriage permit from the Reichsfuehrer-SS.

    6. SS members who marry notwithstanding the refusal of a marriage permit will be expelled from the SS . . .

    7. The relevant processing of marriage applications will be the task of the "Racial Bureau" of the SS.

    8. The Racial Bureau of the SS will keep the "Clan Book of the SS," in which the families of SS members will be entered after a marriage permit has been issued or a request for registration granted (Bleuel 1974: 265-266).

    Jochen van Lang (1979: 440-444) has reproduced the actual SS medical examination form as it stood in late 1939. It was designed to be employed for both male and female applicants. The examination was divided into five sections: "Permission for Disclosure," "Past History of Family," "Past Medical Treatment," "Personal History," and "General Findings of Examination." Under "Past History of Family," the only category of interest here is "precise data on chronic diseases, i.e., endocrine disturbances, allergies, alcoholism." Family members included children, parents, siblings, children of siblings, and grandparents. Under "Personal History," there was a question about "Mental development (schooling, career training, delinquency if any)," on which the candidate had only to secure a rating of "normal" (average), and two questions on "Character development" and "Noteworthy special giftedness."

    Section 5 was the most detailed and significant. It included a whole series of anthropometric and somatotypic measurements, as well as points on "Bearing and stride," coloration of skin and eyes, coloration and texture of hair, and presence or absence of the Mongolian fold (inner epicanthic eyefold). The racial diagnosis followed, and then a long list of meticulous medical determinations. For women, the listing "Capability to bear children" appeared, and for men "Reproductive capability." The nebulous listing "Degree of talent" followed, but could be passed simply by a rating of "normal." Next followed the question, "Does the subject of the examination make a credible and frank impression?" Finally, the form requested a "Summary judgment on suitability for marriage," and four questions were asked: "Total impression"; "Is perpetuation in racial/national sense desirable?"; "Are any conditions present that would affect medical opinion to contraindicate advisability of entering into a pregnancy?"; and "Is the subject now pregnant?" The rest of the form largely contained standard medical questions, although in greater number, detail, and specificity than one would normally expect.

    Himmler expected his newborn biological elite to have large families, and did virtually everything in his power in the way of propaganda and indoctrination to assure such a result. In 1936 he decreed that SS men should marry between the ages of 25 and 30 (Smith 1975: 234). In the former, and in the latter as well, he was to be bitterly disappointed. The SS birth rate differed little from that of the population of the Reich as a whole. Knoebel (1965: 68-69) states:

    The ideal image of an SS family as portrayed in the SS Leithefte [SS Manuals] consisted of a rather young couple surrounded by a large number of children . . . Yet the image was a fraud and statistics for 1937, for example, belie this picture. They show that the leaders of the SS, who often had adequate incomes, by and large remained captives of bourgeois customs. They enjoyed the convenience their positions afforded but were reluctant to assume the inconvenience and burden of a large family. According to statistics, each married SS officer who did not derive his income from the Schutzstaffel [SS] had 1.59 children. The ratio of children per marriage was a mere 1.28 children for those officers who were employed full-time by the Schutzstaffel or one of its sub-branches.

    As of the end of 1939, instead of Himmler's heavily-emphasized average of 4 children, the 115,650 married SS men under officer rank had an average number of children per family of only 1.41. Even his broad hints that illegitimacy was fully acceptable for SS men if the women involved were of "good blood" availed practically nothing: of 12,081 children of married SS leaders between 20 and 50 years of age, only 135 were illegitimate (Hoehne 1971: 178-179). A caveat to be entered here is that these sets of figures could not, in many cases, have represented completed fertility. One must remember that the Waffen SS (Armed SS, i.e., combat troops), which composed the vast bulk of SS membership by 1941, sustained battle losses far in excess of those of other branches of the German fighting forces, many units being virtually decimated, which obviously had serious effects on the overall SS birth rate. In addition, the average age of members of the Waffen SS was significantly lower than that of members of the other branches of the fighting forces, and this was especially true of the officers.

    What can be validly stated about this entire program from the standpoint of positive eugenics? Himmler undoubtedly saw it in positive eugenic terms. Several selection criteria fit into the framework of positive eugenics: freedom from hereditary defects, "noteworthy special giftedness" (a rather indefinite phrase), and good health. In addition, as noted, alcoholics were expelled. However, if one looks at the overall aims and criteria employed, one sees that they were largely racial--as Himmler intended. It is valid, then, to conclude that his program was intended to be positive eugenics--as eugenicists understand the term to some extent, but that the bulk of it can not be so characterized.


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    http://www.eugenics.net/papers/3rdreich.html

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    Post Re: Racial Criterias in Allgemeine-SS.

    See also pics about above text. Translation of message from the last poster is:

    "The German Bearing,
    the German Performance display
    the Nordic Racial Heritage"

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    Post Re: Racial Criterias in Allgemeine-SS.

    Interesting, but pure theory. In SS divisions, fought a great number of every subracial category, besides there were many nationalities. Some, not european too.

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    Post Re: Racial Criterias in Allgemeine-SS.

    Quote Originally Posted by Northern Tiger
    Interesting, but pure theory. In SS divisions, fought a great number of every subracial category, besides there were many nationalities. Some, not european too.
    Yes it is a fact! There where exceptions even in pre-war SS and in elite Waffen-SS divisions in war. Reichsfuhrer Himmler doesn't have genealogy from 1750, and a lot of people think that he was not racial compatible with SS criteria. There was a rumor that Reinhard Heyndrich had Jewish ancestry and also Ahnenerbe chief Wolfram Sievers. My favourite Otto Rahn (who was Obersturmfuhrer!) certainly had Jewish origin; his grandfather was Simeon Hamburger and maternal grandmother Lea Cucer was equally Jewish; Karl Wolff wrote that Rahn had been unable to produce a certificate of racial origin. Famous adventurer, Untersturmfuhrer Ernst Schafer was obviously predominantly Alpine...

    Here is text about SS Standards from: www.wssob.com. It is about 2 years old, I think.





    STANDARDS


    A decision to join the Fuhrer's military force is nothing less than...a voluntary determination to continue the present political struggle on another level.
    - Reichfuhrer-SS Heinrich Himmler

    Waffen-SS recruitment standards went through several stages during the course of the organization's history. Designed at first to be an elite formation of Germans, the Waffen-SS grew so enormous that it gradually abandoned all but its most basic requirements and opened its ranks to anyone regardless of "race", ethnicity or nationality.


    PREWAR TO 1940: THE "BLACK ARISTOCRACY"

    At first, recruitment standards for Waffen-SS troops (Leibstandarte & SSVT, perhaps to a lesser extent the SSTK) were extremely tough. Recruits were expected to be:

    -between the ages of 17 and 22
    -at least 168 CM tall. (5' 9" - Himmler's height)
    -with no criminal record
    -since 1935, SS recruits were required to have a pure "Aryan" genealogy (aka no Jewish forebears) going back to 1800 for enlisted men and 1750 for officers
    -Terms of service: minimum 4 years for enlisted men, 12 years for NCO's and 25 years for officers.

    The requirements were in fact so stringent that only 15 out of 100 applicants were accepted. RFSS Himmler boasted that not only did her personally look at the photographs of officer applicants for the SS, but that his organization did not accept a candidate with even "one filled tooth!" Such absurdist standards did not please the more practical SS leaders such as "Sepp" Dietrich.


    1940-42: FREIWILLIGEN, VOLKSDEUTSCHE AND REICHDEUTSCHE

    At the end of 1939, Himmler wanted to raise the strength of the Waffen-SS to the manpower equivalent of 4 divisions, but he was limited in the number of Germans he could recruit by the German Army. But where could he find the troops to fufill his dreams for the Waffen-SS?
    SS personnel officer Gottlob Berger was able to satisfy Himmler wishes via several means for recruits who could be classified as "Reichdeutsche" (German citizens), "Volksdeutsche" (ethnic Germans living in foreign countries) and "Freiwilligen" (volunteers).
    Freiwilligen
    From 1940-43, especially after the 1941 invasion of the Soviet Union, the Waffen-SS was able to raise several Western European volunteer legions such as:

    Freikorps Danemark
    SS-Regiment Westland
    Freiwilligen Legion Norwegen

    RFSS Himmler considered volunteers from countries such as Norway and Denmark as "Nordic" enough for the Waffen-SS. Recruiting of freiwilligen and volksdeutsche outside of Germany was carried out by a system of recruiting commands (ersatzkommandos), recruiting inspectorates (ersatzinspectionen) and recruitment centers (werbestellen). The basic recruiting book was named "Der ruft die SS" (The Call of the SS) and was translated into multiple languages. The Waffen-SS also make use of a huge portfolio attractive poster propaganda. The SS recruiting office attempted to stress the pan-european "ideal" of the Waffen-SS, but this was just so much cynical manipulation then and even now - as some revisionist historians even go so far as to say the Waffen-SS was the precursor to NATO. The Waffen-SS would play to whatever nationalist, ethnic, anticommunist, religious, or ideological angle they could to fill the ranks of Himmler's legions.
    With regards to physical standards for freiwilligen volunteers, it is difficult to mention specifics. Doubtless the troops were not expected to be the Aryan warriors of the Liebstandarte, but were expected to be healthy and at least not look like a Untermensch. Many of the freiwilligen troops were soldiers of the armed forces of their occupied countries, and so possessing an adequate military bearing.

    Volksdeutsche
    Many Eastern European countries did have sizeable minority populations of Germans due to centuries of migration & colonization. The Nazis made a great of propaganda about the "oppressed" Volksdeutsche living in countries such as Czechoslovakia, Poland, and Yugoslavia, and they used this propaganda to justify their invasion and occupation. As Germany overran these countries, the Nazi administration made great attempts to identify the citizenry who could be classified as "ethnic" German, not only in the occupied nations but also the Axis satellite nations such as Rumania and Hungary. The Waffen-SS were particularly interested in these ethnic Germans because these volksdeutsche were not subject to the enlistment regulations of the Wehrmacht. By May 1940 the SS were using this legal loophole to recruit tens of thousands of Volksdeutsche, some of which were sprinkled throughout various Waffen-SS units and other which formed the basis for a specific unit such as 7th SS-Freiwilligen-Gebirgs Division Prinz Eugen.
    Volksdeutsche volunteers or conscripts were generally found to be of less caliber than Reichdeutsche or even western European freiwilligen. Language became an issue, as many of these volksdeutsche communities did not speak German as a German would understand it. However, Himmler's pressing needs for volksdeutsche manpower for the Waffen-SS overruled any stringent adherence to standards.

    Reichdeutsche
    Strange as it may seem, the Waffen-SS had a difficult time recruiting Germans! This was due to several reasons. Hitler did not want the Waffen-SS to become a bloated organization like the SA and so deliberately tried to limit its size. (In fact, much of Himmler's efforts to grow the Waffen-SS were behind Hitler's back). The Wehrmacht was especially wary of the Waffen-SS and did all it could to limit its growth to a minimum. For example, it restricted the SS recruiting campaigns. So even though the SS had a established infrastructure of "SS-districts" (SS-Oberabschnitte), each with a recruiting center, it couldn't raise the enough troops.
    Gottlob Berger turned to alternate methods to get the German youth into the Waffen-SS. One effective method was administrative sleigh of hand, as when he managed to get various Totenkopf Standarten transferred into the Waffen-SS, in addition to the most abled-bodied of the Allgemeine-SS. The SS also cozied up to the Nazi youth organization Hitlerjugend - figuring it could convince or coerce these impressionable teenagers to volunteer for the Waffen-SS before they became old enough to be subject for military service.
    Recruiting standards for German SS volunteers was undoubtedly strict but certainly not carried to the extremes of the prewar years. Certainly a filled tooth was acceptable at this point, although the regulations against "Jewish blood" were probably still in place.
    Despite all these efforts at easing recruiting standards and seeking alternate sources, the Waffen-SS still had trouble filling its quotas for troops. By April 1942 the Waffen-SS was feeling the strain of massive casualties and the strain caused by the decline in the "aryanness" of its troops. One battalion CO wrote to Himmler that the recent replacements of his unit as "hardly justifies the standards of the SS as 'racial selection'."


    1943: RAISING "ETHNIC" DIVISIONS & TRANSFERRING UNITS

    1943 saw a massive Waffen-SS recruiting drive among nationalities and ethnic groups that would have by no means been considered as fitting the SS racial standard. These recruits
    Enlisted for 2 years or the duration
    Were not considered members of the SS (the organization)
    Did not take standard SS oath, although they usualty pledged some sort of allegiance to Hitler
    Wore variations of SS insignia on uniform to indicate non-German status
    Only had to meet the barest of military (not ideological) standards
    The Waffen-SS made great efforts to play to the desires of this or that ethnic community in order to raise units - for example, the 14th Waffen-Grenadier Division der SS. Apparently many of these "volunteers" were actually coerced or tricked into attending a SS-sponsored "sports event." (One famous story, probably apocryphal, is of SS officers dragging Bosnian Muslim men out of mosques to press-gang them into the 13th Waffen-Gebirgs Division der SS (kroatische Nr 1) "Handschar"!) The forced or coerced recruitment of SS volunteers strained Germany's relationships with its satellites - for example Hungarians who volunteered for the SS prior to the 1944 German takeover were stripped of their Hungarian citizenship.
    The Waffen-SS also grew massively in 1943-44 by accepting various collaboration and foreign auxiliary units such as

    Indische Freiwilligen Legion
    Osturkische WaffenVerbande der SS
    33rd Waffen-Grenadier-Division der SS

    These transfer troops did not meet any SS racial standard and often did not meet more common military standards.


    1944-45: SCRAPING FOR MANPOWER


    As the Hitler's Reich crumbled, the Waffen-SS gave up all adherence of standards for recruit selection. If they could walk and shoot a rifle, they were good enough for the SS. At this time all German military forces were scraping the bottom of the manpower barrel - for example in January 1945, Heer and Waffen-SS recruiting centers were combined. Waffen-SS troops were increasingly transfers from other military branches of the Wehrmacht, from paramilitary and labor formations such as the RAD. Despite the abandonment of previous standards, many Waffen-SS units maintained a high level of combat efficiency and espirit de corps that won the admiration of their comrades and their enemies alike.
    Last edited by Willigut; Tuesday, March 8th, 2005 at 12:01 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Northern Tiger
    Interesting, but pure theory. In SS divisions, fought a great number of every subracial category, besides there were many nationalities. Some, not european too.
    This is about Allgemeine-SS not Waffen-SS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mimas
    This is about Allgemeine-SS not Waffen-SS.
    True, but i believe neither Allgemeine-ss were homogenous in terms of somatic types.

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    Post Re: Racial Criterias in Allgemeine-SS.

    Quote Originally Posted by Willigut
    There was a rumor that Reinhard Heyndrich had Jewish ancestry and also Ahnenerbe chief Wolfram Sievers.
    I couldn't tell anything about Sievers, but in respect of Heydrich it was indeed never more than a rumour.

    It had its origin in the wrong information in Riemanns Musiklexikon (1916) about his father Bruno Heydrich, who was music director in Halle: "actually Isidor Süß".

    Bruno Heydrich never cared about the rumours of his alledged Jewish ancestry and didn't proceed against them.

    This "Süß" rumour was put into circulation by rivals of Bruno Heydrich and had its basis in the fact that the second husband of Bruno Heydrich's mother--Reinhard Heydrich's grandmother--was a certain Gustav Robert Süß and that Heydrich's grandmother called herself often Süß-Heydrich.

    But

    a) was this Gustav Robert Süß not the father of Bruno Heydrich and thus not Reinhard Heydrich's grandfather--he was not related by blood with Reinhard Heydrich, and

    b) was this Gustav Robert Süß no Jew (even if "Süß" is indeed a surname which is often beared by Jews, it is also common among Germans--like exactly at this second husband of Heydrich's grandmother!).

    There were researches about this affair by NS officials who came to this correct "positive" result. Also a scientist who wrote his thesis on Heydrich and the SD did ancestry researches about Heydrich in 1966: He traced back the paternal line until 1738 and the maternal until 1688 and did not find one single drop of Jewish blood.

    In Deschner's Heydrich biography that all is discussed.
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    Post Re: Racial Criterias in Allgemeine-SS.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nordgau
    I couldn't tell anything about Sievers, but in respect of Heydrich it was indeed just a rumour.

    It had its origin in the wrong information in Riemanns Musiklexikon (1916) about his father Bruno Heydrich, who was music director in Halle: "actually Isidor Süß".

    Bruno Heydrich never cared about the rumours of his alledged Jewish ancetry and didn't do anything against them.

    This "Süß" rumour was put into circulation by concurrents of Bruno Heydrich and had its origin in the fact that the second husband of Bruno Heydrich's mother - Reinhard Heydrich's grandmother - was a certain Gustav Robert Süß and Heydrich's grandmother called herself often Süß-Heydrich.

    But

    a) was this Gustav Robert Süß not the father of Bruno Heydrich and thus not Reinhard Heydrich's grandfather - he was not related by blood with Reinhard Heydrich, and

    b) was this Gustav Robert Süß no Jew (even if "Süß" is indeed a surname which is often beared by Jews - but it is also common among Germans--like exactly at this second husband of Heydrich's grandmother!).

    There were researches about this affair by NS officials who came to this correct, "positive" result. Also a scientific who wrote his thesis on Heydrich and the SD did ancestry researches about Heydrich in 1966: He traced back the paternal line until 1738 and the maternal until 1688 and did not find one single drop of Jewish blood.

    In Deschner's Heydrich biography that all is outlined.
    Yes, the rumors, were completely false. His look is very noric (perhaps, this could give a vague impression to some ignorant, but not to me)

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    Post Re: Racial Criterias in Allgemeine-SS.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nordgau
    I couldn't tell anything about Sievers, but in respect of Heydrich it was indeed never more than a rumour.

    It had its origin in the wrong information in Riemanns Musiklexikon (1916) about his father Bruno Heydrich, who was music director in Halle: "actually Isidor Süß".

    Bruno Heydrich never cared about the rumours of his alledged Jewish ancestry and didn't proceed against them.

    This "Süß" rumour was put into circulation by rivals of Bruno Heydrich and had its basis in the fact that the second husband of Bruno Heydrich's mother--Reinhard Heydrich's grandmother--was a certain Gustav Robert Süß and that Heydrich's grandmother called herself often Süß-Heydrich.

    But

    a) was this Gustav Robert Süß not the father of Bruno Heydrich and thus not Reinhard Heydrich's grandfather--he was not related by blood with Reinhard Heydrich, and

    b) was this Gustav Robert Süß no Jew (even if "Süß" is indeed a surname which is often beared by Jews, it is also common among Germans--like exactly at this second husband of Heydrich's grandmother!).

    There were researches about this affair by NS officials who came to this correct "positive" result. Also a scientist who wrote his thesis on Heydrich and the SD did ancestry researches about Heydrich in 1966: He traced back the paternal line until 1738 and the maternal until 1688 and did not find one single drop of Jewish blood.

    In Deschner's Heydrich biography that all is discussed.
    Thanks for detailed information! I read something about Heydrich's genealogy, but things are know clear.
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    Post Re: Racial Criterias in Allgemeine-SS.

    It's known that during the WWII the NS kidnapped Nordish-looking boys and girls from Poland and the Czech Country (Bohemian and Moravian Protectorate) for adoption by proper German families.

    Many thousands of children in Europe during World War II were stolen from their parents, screened in racial tests, and then selected for "Germanization" and adoption by German families; many never saw their parents again. These facts are described in the book of Marc Hillel "Au nom de la race", Fayard, París, 1975. Recently, a British journalist named Leapman studied this events and he includes in his work rarely material never seen. He traces the fates of the children of Lidice too, the Czech village razed to retaliate for the assassination of Reinhardt Heydrich.

    I have a question about the forced "Germanization" of the Poles or the Czech Nordid-looking kids by the NS during the WWII: why if the NS movement consider the Slavic people as "untermenschen" these boys and girls were kidnapped in Poland and the Czech Country to be Germanized despite their Nordish-looking features?
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