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    Post Re: Kabyles descendants of the Vandals

    Of course, the title of the thread is totally misleading It was in some way provocative. But it is still worth questioning what happened to these Vandals who were defeated by belisarius. If the Arabs had not come there one century later, may be a Berber-Vandal blend would have produced a knighthood society comparable to that of the Dark ages in Europe.

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    Post Re: Kabyles descendants of the Vandals

    Quote Originally Posted by catchmeifyoukhan
    Of course, the title of the thread is totally misleading It was in some way provocative. But it is still worth questioning what happened to these Vandals who were defeated by belisarius. If the Arabs had not come there one century later, may be a Berber-Vandal blend would have produced a knighthood society comparable to that of the Dark ages in Europe.
    Its unlikely that North Africa mignt have become feudal, because true feudalism is suited to a temperate climate. Social evolution is limited by environment, and if Berbers had retaken North Africa instead of the Arabians, then North African society would have coninued to be a Mediterranean culture, like Spain wasnt Germanicised by the Wisigoths.
    Last edited by morfrain_encilgar; Saturday, March 19th, 2005 at 01:17 AM.

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    Question Re: Kabyles descendants of the Vandals

    Quote Originally Posted by atlanto-med
    Wouldnt that more technically be the Alanic migration from Ukraine, into the Mediterranean in association with the Wandals?
    Any idea what the connection is between "Wends" and "Wandals" is?

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    Post Re: Kabyles descendants of the Vandals

    Quote Originally Posted by Horagalles
    Any idea what the connection is between "Wends" and "Wandals" is?
    I believe that there was ethnic continuity between them.

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    Post Re: Kabyles descendants of the Vandals

    Quote Originally Posted by atlanto-med
    I believe that there was ethnic continuity between them.
    Are you certain? I remember Wends being classed as Slavic-speakers, while Vandals were Germanic?

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    Post Re: Kabyles descendants of the Vandals

    Quote Originally Posted by Oskorei
    Are you certain? I remember Wends being classed as Slavic-speakers, while Vandals were Germanic?
    This is conventionally done today. However one needs to be careful:
    The Germans called everyone to the East as Wends. So this may have included people speaking slavic languages. It is also mentioned that those to the East spoke a German dialect. The King of Sweden bears the title:
    "King of Sweden, the Goths, and the Wends..."
    http://www.riksdagen.se/english/work...succession.asp

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    Post Re: Kabyles descendants of the Vandals

    Quote Originally Posted by Oskorei
    Are you certain? I remember Wends being classed as Slavic-speakers, while Vandals were Germanic?
    Some of the Wandals adopted a Slavic language. Language isnt the same as nationality, because a nation can adopt a foreign language or a language may be influenced from outside to a great degree, like French.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Horagalles View Post
    Any idea what the connection is between "Wends" and "Wandals" is?
    There is no connection. Wend and Vandal have completely different etymologies and appelations. Vandal comes from Proto-Germanic *wandilaz, meaning 'nomad', while Wend is from Proto-Germanic *winidaz, meaning 'Slav', and is cognate to Gaulish 'windos' (white, one who has light features).

    Connecting Vandal to Wend is just Pseudo-Academia mixed with Slavic Nationalism. The Vandals were not Slavs, in fact their territory was largely separated from the Slavs by the wall of Wielbark Goths and Chernjachov Sarmatians that came between the Vandalic Przeworsk culture and the Proto-Slavic cultures

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