The Nordish Concept

[Loki]

There seems to be a great deal of misunderstanding on these boards on what the term "Nordish" actually means. I don't blame people for the confusion, since there are so many people going around, spreading their "opinions" about the Nordic race and the Nordish concept.

There has been a lot of criticism of the SNPA website. But in all honesty, I am yet to see a better anthropological definition of the northern European peoples. People are quick to criticize, but slow to read up and try to understand. Quick to criticize, but slow to offer a viable alternative. The SNPA has drawn most of their teachings and observations from accredited anthropologists, like Carleton Coon.

Unfortunately, many people who are non-Nordish want to be Nordish - and thus they attempt to bend the parameters to include them too in the Nordish community. So now we have the situation where people argue that they are perfectly Nordish, when in fact they are not at all. Nordish is not equivalent to white or European. Many people seem to think so, and that is why many white Europids want to claim the Nordish classification for themselves... but in fact they are predominantly Dinarid, Alpinid or Mediterranid, or even some other Europid category. We have to be honest with ourselves, people. There is no reward for deceiving ourselves.


Regards,

Loki

[Loki]

What Nordish is NOT:

- White
- European
- Ethnically and/or linguistically Germanic
- Superior Ubermensch
- Alpine
- Dinaric
- Mediterranean
- A prerequisite to be a proud white person
- A Neo-Nazi skinhead
- A rightwing American nationalist


What Nordish IS:

- People of northern European racial heritage, generally having the characteristically fair hair and eyes. There are some darker strains, though, too.

- Generally includes individuals from these traditional ethnic groups: Germanic, Celtic, Slavic, Baltic and a few selected others. Please note that the Germanic volkerwanderung has introduced these racial types into other communities outside northern Europe - most notably Italy, France, Spain, Portugal, North Africa (Vandals), and several others. Thus, the Nordish element is to be found in individuals and/or families in such cases.

- Peripheral cases of Nordish may include varying degrees of non-Nordish Europid ancestry. These may be Dinarid, Alpinid, Mediterranid or other Europid strains. But these admixtures are always in the background, and never predominate. When these non-Nordish features predominate, the individual should be classified with the particular non-Nordish group.

[Scáthach]

i agree that there is no reward for deceiving ourselves i just wanted to add that there is no reward for being nordish or not either- if you happen to find out youre nordish tomorrow no one is going to arrive on your doorstep wielding flowers and chocolates - the same way that if you are not nordish no one is going to try and kill you either.
its a very interesting subject but i just think people should bear in mind that their personality wont suddenly change because they find out theyre alpine or hallstatt

[cosmocreator]

Originally posted by Scathach
its a very interesting subject but i just think people should bear in mind that their personality wont suddenly change because they find out theyre alpine or hallstatt

Demigorgona comes to mind.

[Loki]

Originally posted by Scathach
i agree that there is no reward for deceiving ourselves i just wanted to add that there is no reward for being nordish or not either- if you happen to find out youre nordish tomorrow no one is going to arrive on your doorstep wielding flowers and chocolates - the same way that if you are not nordish no one is going to try and kill you either.
its a very interesting subject but i just think people should bear in mind that their personality wont suddenly change because they find out theyre alpine or hallstatt

You are right, of course. :thumb

[Scáthach]

thanks :yipee

[Azdaja]

My problem with the SNPA website is the bias in favour of Northwest European types over Northeast European types. It's subtle, but clearly there.
For instance: look at the pics they have of the 'Neo-Danubian' type. Compare those to the pics they have of any of the NW European types. Now come on. You mean to tell me they could not find pictures of attractive Neo-Danubians? Fionn posted a huge string of pics of attractive Neo-Danubians a couple months back, so clearly such pics are not hard to find.
Personally this is not a huge issue to me. I only rate a '3' on that scale (according to Karl Earlson and Northstar, anyway), so it's not like I'm uber-nord. And besides, I find East meds and Dinarics more attractive than 'nordish' types.
The bias shown by McCulloch and the SNPA is more irritating than anything else, but hey - no one is perfect. And Loki is right: The SNPA is the best (only) site of its kind.

[Siegfried]

The more time I spend on Skadi, the more I feel drawn towards Nordicism. I have, however, repeatedly been told that the ‘Nordish’ group has no real anthropological value, and I’d like to know why. What’s wrong with the concept? Speak now, or forever hold your peace

[Vestmannr]

Because the Nordish concept is primarily Political, and used as such, I'm okay with that. It is based upon some anthropology. The main problems I have with the idea as presented by McCulloch is how the lines are drawn, and what is considered acceptable for 'assimilation' on his scale. I dont think the term Nordish is tied to McCulloch anymore, however, as many of us use the same term for similar ideas that are a little less political, and a little more scientific. What I find odd about the Nordish concept as presented by McCulloch is the high ranking of Alpinids on his scale, and how the 'Meds' are split into 'gracile' and ungracilized .... an E. Med. is an E. Med. Basically that is saying: "well, we dont like your folk: but if you're a pretty one, thats okay." I dont wonder if one was consistent, we could just apply the 'gracile/non-gracile' to others on the scale: Alpinids, Atlantids, UPs, heck... even Nordics. We could call it Gracile Nationalism, or 'skinny pretty people movement'. Of course, it would be where all the hot girls are. (for the humor cripples, there was humor in this response.. though I am serious about the criticism.)

In other words, there are issues with how the term is used, but I dont think that by any form of logic requires the rejection of the term, or even much of the concept.

[Johnny Reb]

I'm kind of up in the air on the whole Nordish thing. Some use it to mean any North Western European, regardless of pigmentation and physical form. Others are pretty strict, but allow any gracile depigmented type in. To me, it's more of a political construct, a League of Relatively Depigmented Mostly Northern Europeans. I've been a little confused on the anthropology side of things, and an experience the other day cemented my confusion/doubt. I was talking with some acquaintances, one being a gigantic Brunn, the other some sort of gracile Nordic. Looking at the two of them side by side I thought to myself "how the heck can these two people be linked anthropologically at all?"

In short, I've no idea what I'm talking about