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    Post Re: samurai vs knight

    I think the knight would kick the samurai's ass, quite frankly.
    I searched google for this and it seems there are differing opinions on the subject. Asian boards seem to prefer the samurai, but even on one of them there is a few who favour the knight. It was said that samurai weren't warriors 24-7 and they did have other jobs on the side, like farming or baking.

    If the samurai runs away then I think it is safe to assume he isn't a samurai. Not that I know their code of honour, but that's fairly cowardly.

    They're both great warriors. The knight has the physical advantage (at least the height one!). The knight is an iron man. The samurai has affiliations with rose blossums.

    Too many people think of knights as immobile stone warriors.

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    Post Re: samurai vs knight

    Quote Originally Posted by Altruist
    I think the knight would kick the samurai's ass, quite frankly.
    I searched google for this and it seems there are differing opinions on the subject. Asian boards seem to prefer the samurai, but even on one of them there is a few who favour the knight. It was said that samurai weren't warriors 24-7 and they did have other jobs on the side, like farming or baking.
    Hmm... true, but, how does having other knowledges besides fighting hinder one's ability to fight?

    A farmer/samurai who had been in 10 battles is much more useful than
    a total warrior knight, who has been in one battle in his entire life.

    If the samurai runs away then I think it is safe to assume he isn't a samurai. Not that I know their code of honour, but that's fairly cowardly.
    The feigned retreat, the way many nomad warriors defeated many
    overwhelming forces.

    They're both great warriors. The knight has the physical advantage (at least the height one!).
    Well, the medieval knights weren't exactly towering hulks. Remember that medieval people were much shorter than today's average.
    ( I have seen a chart of average heights through times... the palaeolithic hunter/gatherers were as tall as modern people, then heights declined to medieval times, and then increased again until modern times ).

    The knight is an iron man. The samurai has affiliations with rose blossums.
    So? Does poetry and philosophy make someone a feeble warrior?
    I fail to see a connection.

    Too many people think of knights as immobile stone warriors.
    I agree. Both a Samurai or a European knight would unarmed kick the ass of most today's people with ease.

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    Take into account that a Samurai doesnt just fight with the Katana. There are quite a lot of japenese weapons designed spesifically to pierce armour.
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    i agree with the 70 to 30 ratio on the knight!!....good points.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Altruist
    It was said that samurai weren't warriors 24-7 and they did have other jobs on the side, like farming or baking.
    I think most knights would have had jobs (such as farming) beside being warriors.

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    I won't make an attempt to appear well-versed in the ways of Knights, but I'd assume from the training of the Squires and such, that any Knight would have seen various forms of conflict long before he was knighted.
    http://www.castles-of-britain.com/castle35.htm
    Perhaps some Knights had other jobs, but I wouldn't say that most did. Here we have a few services that were provided:
    http://historymedren.about.com/cs/kn.../kl1define.htm
    They had quite the noble aspect. Tournaments, wars and councils.

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    the samurai vs knight question was applied in the 3rd crusades when turkish gazis stormed palestine and crushed the crusaders made up of all of pope's dominions, kings present where england, france, and the teutonic knights of the holy roman order represented the pope.

    An 14th century english knight would be the typical mideval knight of common culture today

    while a turkish gazi would be pretty much a samurai in fighting style, sword usage and spirituality.

    If you dont know what a turkish gazi is, they are like samurai warrior castes, the turkish handzar has very similar slicing method of a katana, and they were shintoist in spirituality , after all the word for allah in turkish is tengri, shinto is the worship of tenshin. martial arts techniques would be the only effective way to use a handzar while english long swords were more built like a baseball bat for blunt damage.

    The gazi code is the rule of law for the ottoman empire, they had justice system ruled by the gazi code, like for example if a turk did a crime , islamic laws dont apply to them but gazi code does. The pirate barbarosa was tried for killing 149 greek men, women and child as a member of the turkish military and he was tried by the gazi tribunal and sentenced to prison, thats why he left the ottoman empire to become a pirate. The gazi code is in effect very similar to bushido code, its about shamanist honor and loyalty.
    Last edited by jalapenokisses; Monday, March 7th, 2005 at 11:59 PM.

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    Do you have numbers on the Knights and the Gazis?
    It doesn't really help us to find that the Turks overwhelmed the Crusaders with a flood of men. That would also be a war-type scenario, where we're aiming to measure the ability of a Samurai and a Knight in a duel. Here we have a number of variables:
    [ http://www.edgegrove.herts.sch.uk/ac...y/section5.htm ]
    If that's the Third Crusade^:
    "Saladin was not strong enough to meet the crusader knights in open battle"
    "The situation was made worse by disease and the climate"
    I'm not sure if the site is biased or even very reliable, but nevertheless, good observation.

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    Post Re: samurai vs knight

    Quote Originally Posted by Northern Tiger
    Yeah, academic question.... . Well, i asked to myself the same thing when i was a child .....On an ideal vision i don't see a winner, but if i must imagine a very realistic scenario, the answer sound so : The knight, until is on the horse (european horse is, more imponent and powerfull than japanese horse) would be in dominant position. Major assault power. Although, without horses, knight would be very slow with the armour(although well protected by 40 kg. of iron) while samurai would be more fast with his less heavy armour (10 kg. of wood) but less protected too. Knight two-hands sword( 10 kg.) has a tremendous impact, but its weight is so great you couldn't rise your arm many times. Katana , instead is very fast......
    I think you've been getting a bit too much of your info from tv. European armour, even plate, didnt weigh 40kg, and the weight was evenly distributed over his body to allow a remarkably good level of agility and speed. And no sword has ever weighed 10kg!!! Most European swords tend to weigh in the region of 3lbs (just over 1kg) and are designed for rapid 1 handed cut and thrust.
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    Well, some European swords did weight up to 12kg... those were the heaviest two-handed duel swords.

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