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    TIK and Military History Visualized (YouTube) create military history videos for adults and destroy myths about WW2 on a weekly basis.















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    David Irving - by far the world's best WW2 historian - made the correct call in his Göring biography.

    Manstein would have known very little about decisions being taken ≈2.000 km. away.

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    The 6th Army was particularly unfortunate because it was later fighting in Romania when the Romanians changed sides in August 1944 (due to a coup d'état) and it was effectively wiped out for the second time

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    369th (Croatian) Infantry Division (Wehrmacht)

    369th Croatian Reinforced Infantry Regiment Road To The Stalingrad

    December 17, 2017


    Flag of the regiment (Reverse), the inscription reads, For Poglavnik and for the homeland.


    On 24 September 1942, during a visit to the 6th Army headquarters, Pavelić decorated and promoted some soldiers of the regiment. Two days later the 100th Light Infantry Division was committed to the Battle of Stalingrad.

    Colonel Marko Mesić


    It is important to note that Paulus and his Sixth Army were the best German division ever in the Second World War. Paulus and his soldiers were the most disciplined, best equipped and most talented German units in the entire Wehrmacht. They have achieved military successes unseen and unparalleled in Europe and the world. A call to the 369th Regiment to join them in the attack on Stalingrad was an expression of great honor for the former achievements and sacrifice on the Russian front.

    Colonel Viktor Pavičić


    On September 27, 1942, the regiment in the composition of the Weber Group participated in the attack on the "Red October" factory on Volga River, later celebrated in the movie Enemy at the gate. From October 23 to December 29, 1942, the Regiment was part of the 79th Division. The 369th Regiment in Stalingrad itself was mostly around the railway line near the Volga and the celebrated "Red October" factory. At the end of September 1942, Sergeant Dragutin Podobnik pointed out in very difficult and deadly battles during the conquest of "Red October". On his own initiative, without the support of assault guns only with ten (18?) Legionnaires took the entire factory building 'T-shaped' in the Red October lossless.

    The first line of the 369th regiment during the Stalingrad battle


    The captured building Podobnik leaves the German detachment from the 54th regiment, which has been completely annihilated following days by the red-armies, who penetrate underground channels and re-invade the building. Podobnik became the most decorated regiment NCO and goes from Stalingrad before falling 2 February 1943. Dragutin Podobnik as a soldier killed in the spring of 1945 and posthumously promoted to the rank of lieutenant NDH

    Soldier of 369 Regiment in Stalingrad



    During the first two weeks of heavy fighting in the city itself, by October 13, 1942, Lieutenant Aleksandar Franic and Major Paar died among others. 120 legionnaires dead, 352 were seriously wounded and 50 disappeared. Heavy fighting in late September and throughout October, exhausted and halved most of the units of the regiment. The regiment breakthrough to the Volga with terrible losses and among the few German troops fulfills the planned goals. Because of its courage and success, the regiment was exceptionally praised by the German Command. The Regiment was reduced to only 983 legionnaires by October 21, 1942. In addition to minor reinforcements from the homeland of several hundred Legionnaires, there were no new fresh legionaries to the very end.


    After 23 November 1942 together with Paulusovom 6th German Army, 369th regiment was completely surrounded in Stalingrad cauldron. Colonel Viktor Pavicic due to lack of food issued a detailed statement on the slaughter of horses and salami production and distribution of food to those who were on the front line and who do not hide from duty.




    From the war, diary gives the impression that by the end of December command of the regiment, maintaining frontline command of Major Tomislav Brajkovic. He was transferred to the German unit, together with Major Tahir Alagić, after being in conflict with other officers on his own request. Alagić was later wounded and evacuated by plane and was shot in Yugoslavia during 1948.

    Soldiers of Croatian Legion on Easter front, 1942


    During the fierce and exhausting defensive battles around "Red October" on Christmas and New Year's Day in 1942 and until December 29, 1942, the regiment was dragged to the railway line by heavy losses and finally at the flight school. January 1, 1943, After heavy battles, the remains of the regiments were reduced to a combat position of only 200 meters and the artillery position at the flight school. The strong Russian attack on January 10, 1943, breaks down the remaining 70 legionaries on the combat line, allegedly partly because of the lack of ammunition.

    Artillery 369 regiments


    January 13 or 14, 1943. After the replacement of Pavičić (on his own request to General Sanno) and written order by General Sanne, the last command of the 369th regime was taken over by Lieutenant Colonel Marko Mesić. Colonel Viktor Pavicic disappears never unclear circumstances probably 20 January 1943. 2 February 1943 Exposed winter temperatures below minus 30 degrees Celsius survivors, mostly wounded, frostbitten and ill members of the 369th Regiment surrendered at flight school.



    Only during the last seventeen days of fighting killed more than 170 legionnaires as a loss of about 25% of the people. Surviving cell legions withdrew under the command of Lieutenant Colonel Mesic in ruins flight school to surrender. By the statement of Lieutenant-Colonel Mesic dated 1948, a total of about 700 besieged legionnaires and the CO of the 369 regiment were surrendered.



    On the night of 22nd January 1943, in the last group of wounded legionnaires who had departed in a very dramatic circumstance by Stalingrad, there were two writers of the war diary of the regiment. Sick Lieutenant Rudolf Baričević and Sergeant Ervin Juric took in a plane regimental war diary and many preserved documents.



    The Legion assembled at Beketovka on river Volga where they were joined by some 80,000 mainly German as well as Italian, Romanian and Hungarian POWs. They were sent on a forced march to Moscow where they were joined by Croatian legionnaires from the Light Transport Brigade who had been attached to Italian forces on the Eastern Front. From there, they were sent to work camps in Siberia. Many died on the march due to starvation, hypothermia or disease.




    In the first months of the Russian captivity, several hundred legionaries died and disappeared. According to Mesic's statement of about 700 captured at Stalingrad, there was only about 400 surviving legionnaires which would mean 40% of the losses in this relatively short period of time. Most of the captured officers and legionnaires 369th Regiment in Russian captivity joined the newly formed unit called the 1st Independent Yugoslav Brigade under the command of Lieutenant Colonel Marko Mesic and other Croatian officers captured.



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    The Battle Of Stalingrad From The German Perspective


    A remarkable collection of historical footage gives us the German perspective of the 1942-43 Battle of Stalingrad, which resulted in the destruction of the German 6th Army at the hands of the Soviets.


    The five-month Battle of Stalingrad (23 August 1942 – 2 February 1943) is still
    the fiercest and deadliest close quarter battle to have ever occurred. Nearly 2 million troops were killed in the battle.


    Although Stalingrad was a “win” for the Soviets, they took a significantly higher portion of casualties with 1,129,619 men killed in action.


    The nightmarish battle consisted of building-to-building, room-to-room fighting, all while under constant airstrikes and artillery barrages that left the city a smoldering pile of rubble.


    The initial German push to capture Stalingrad began in August 1942, and was somewhat successful in pushing the Red Army back. However, the Red Army was able to identify weakness on the German flanks. The Germans were using their top troops on the front, but left the less capable Romanian and Hungarian units to guard their flanks.
    In November 1942, the Soviets conducted a two-prong attack on those flanks, crushing them and successfully encircling the German Army in Stalingrad. Instead of calling for retreat, Hitler ordered his troops to stay and fight in the city. Over the course of the brutally cold winter, the Axis troops ran out of ammunition and supplies. In February 1943, the raining Axis troops surrendered, giving the Red Army victory in Stalingrad.





    THE BATTLE OF STALINGRAD FROM THE GERMAN PERSPECTIVE Jan 4 2019.



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    “War is waged by men; not by beasts, or by gods. It is a peculiarly human activity. To call it a crime against mankind is to miss at least half its significance; it is also the punishment of a crime.” - Frederic Manning, The Middle Parts of Fortune

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    A very interesting infograph, it shows the combat readiness/effectiveness of German divisions prior to the invasion of the USSR versus springtime 1942, after the German army withstood the winter offensives of the Red Army. Take into account that this is not the combat readiness of German divisions when Fall Blau commenced, which was several months away, but it does give you an idea of how mutilated the German army already was early on in 1942 and how the Germans still had to make the most of a rather unfavorable situation. The rush to Moscow and the Red Army's winter operations had sadly wrecked the German army, they lost perhaps most of their best frontline troops already by this time.

    “War is waged by men; not by beasts, or by gods. It is a peculiarly human activity. To call it a crime against mankind is to miss at least half its significance; it is also the punishment of a crime.” - Frederic Manning, The Middle Parts of Fortune

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    The Madonna of Stalingrad, Christmas 1942

    Our Lady of Stalingrad





    Licht, Leben, Liebe: Light, life, love

    This moving story always gives me goosebumps... On the 23rd of December 1942, after von Mainstein's relief force couldn't break through to Stalingrad and the fate of the the Sixth Army was sealed (Operation Winterstorm) and it became clear it would not escape its encirclement, morale amongst the German soldiers was at an all time low. They all realized they were going to die, either in battle or in captivity and a grim sense of hopelessness came over everyone. So Lieutenant Kurt Reuber, a German staff physician and Protestant pastor, who was one of the encircled men, decided to pick up his pencil.

    "I wondered for a long while what I should paint, and in the end I decided on a Madonna, or mother and child. I have turned my hole in the frozen mud into a studio. The space is too small for me to be able to see the picture properly, so I climb on to a stool and look down at it from above, to get the perspective right. Everything is repeatedly knocked over, and my pencils vanish into the mud. There is nothing to lean my big picture of the Madonna against, except a sloping, home-made table past which I can just manage to squeeze. There are no proper materials and I have used a Russian map for paper. But I wish I could tell you how absorbed I have been painting my Madonna, and how much it means to me."

    "The picture looks like this: the mother's head and the child's lean toward each other, and a large cloak enfolds them both. It is intended to symbolize 'security' and 'mother love.' I remembered the words of St.John: light, life, and love. What more can I add? I wanted to suggest these three things in the homely and common vision of a mother with her child and the security that they represent.

    Then Reuber went on a tour through the trenches and the lines with his drawing:

    "I went to all the bunkers, brought my drawing to the men, and chatted with them. How they sat there! Like being in their dear homes with mother for the holiday."

    Later, Reuber hung the drawing in his bunker for his unit celebration, which he described as a moment of Christian devotion shared by all the soldiers in his command.

    "When according to ancient custom I opened the Christmas door, the slatted door of our bunker, and the comrades went in, they stood as if entranced, devout and too moved to speak in front of the picture on the clay wall...The entire celebration took place under the influence of the picture, and they thoughtfully read the words: light, life, love...Whether commander or simple soldier, the Madonna was always an object of outward and inward contemplation."

    The Madonna was flown out of Stalingrad by Dr Wilhelm Grosse, Reuber's battalion commander of the 16th Panzer Division on the last transport plane to leave the encircled German 6th Army. Reuber was taken captive after the surrender of the 6th Army, and died in a Soviet prisoner of war camp in 1944.
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    Highly engrossing, skip to the 7:45 mark for the good bits.

    TIK reads the transcripts of the communication between the commander of the Army Group Don (von Mainstein) and the commander of the Sixth Army (Paulus) and their chiefs of staff during the decisive moments of mid-December '42, as well as the finals days of the Battle of Stalingrad.

    “War is waged by men; not by beasts, or by gods. It is a peculiarly human activity. To call it a crime against mankind is to miss at least half its significance; it is also the punishment of a crime.” - Frederic Manning, The Middle Parts of Fortune

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