Page 1 of 5 12345 LastLast
Results 1 to 10 of 44

Thread: Red Army's Crime Records

  1. #1

    Post Red Army's Crime Records


    New Revelations about the Red Army's Campaign of Rape in Its Occupied Zones

    By Brian Carnell

    Tuesday, January 29, 2002

    Historians have long known that as the Red Army advanced on Nazi forces at the end of World War II, soldiers in the Soviet army engaged in the wholesale rape of women in their path. A new book by historian Anthony Beevor, however, argues that rape was committed at a mind boggling pace, and that the Red Army did not reserve rape as a punishment for the much-hated Germans, but also raped women in concentration camps that the Red Army liberated. During the war, Stalin and others in high ranking positions actively condoned and occasionally justified the rape of women in territories conquered by the advancing Red Army.

    The Daily Telegraph notes that when Yugoslavian Communist leader Milovan Djilas complained to Stalin about the rapacious nature of Soviet soldiers, Stalin complained, "Can't he understand it if a solider who has crossed thousands of kilometers through blood and fire and death has fun with a woman or takes some trifle?" Beevor's research suggests that as the Red Army entered East Prussia in 1944, soldiers raped practically every female over 10 years of age in the towns they passed through. Beevor also claims that the Red Army raped even Polish and Russian women that were liberated from Nazi concentration camps, though the total number of women there was much smaller than the German victims of rape.

    The total number of women who were raped by the Red Army necessarily remains unknown, but Beevor points out that there were about two million illegal abortions performed in Eastern Germany from 1945-1948 -- an astounding number considering that there were only about 15 million women in East Germany. In 1946-47, the Red Army finally cracked down on rape, not because of any concern about women in the territories it occupied, but over concern about the rapid spread of sexually transmitted diseases among its soldiers. Source: Red Army troops raped even Russian women as they freed them from camps.

    Source:
    http://www.leftwatch.com/archives/years/2002/000018.html
    Last edited by Frans_Jozef; Tuesday, February 8th, 2005 at 01:00 PM.

  2. #2

    Post Re: Red Army's Crime Records

    Monday, 29 April, 2002, 09:20 GMT 10:20 UK

    Red Army rapists exposed






    </IMG></IMG>By Chris Summers
    BBC News Online

    Red Army soldiers raped two million German women, and thousands of Soviet women in occupied Eastern Europe, says a book published on Monday.


    It is a disgrace to have anything to do with this clear case of slander

    Russian ambassador Grigory Karasin
    The author of Berlin: The Downfall 1945, the acclaimed military historian Antony Beevor, also suggests that after brutalisation in extreme war situations almost all men are tempted to become rapists.

    But the book has been condemned as an "act of blasphemy" by the Russian ambassador to the UK and its conclusions have also been rejected by a prominent Russian military historian.

    Mr Beevor, whose previous book Stalingrad became a best-seller, says in Berlin alone it was estimated up to 130,000 women were raped, of whom up to 10,000 committed suicide.

    The Red Army's sacrifices in World War II are still revered in Russia


    Altogether two million German women are believed to have been raped and almost half of those suffered gang rape.

    One woman was raped by 23 soldiers.

    Mr Beevor said he was shocked by what he found during his research of German and Soviet archives.

    He said the widespread rape suggested "there is a dark area of male sexuality which can emerge all too easily, especially in war, when there are no social and disciplinary restraints."

    He said the Soviet hierarchy turned a blind eye, and even condoned the rape as a form of revenge for what the German Army - the Wehrmacht - had done during Operation Barbarossa.

    One district commander told a group of German women who were seeking his protection: "That? Well, it certainly hasn't done you any harm. Our men are all healthy."

    'Bonding process'

    Mr Beevor said: "As the Red Army example shows, the practice of collective rape can even become a form of bonding process."

    The book has naturally aroused controversy with the Russian Ambassador to Britain, Grigory Karasin, describing it as "lies and insinuations".


    There is a dark area of male sexuality which can emerge all too easily, especially in war, when there are no social and disciplinary restraints.

    Antony Beevor, historian
    He wrote to the Daily Telegraph: "It is a disgrace to have anything to do with this clear case of slander against the people who saved the world from Nazism."

    But Mr Beevor said the book's claims, while uncomfortable, were backed up by documents which he had found in the Russian state archives.

    "The rape of German women was previously known from German archives but I believe this is the first time the fact that Soviet citizens were raped has been published in the West," he told BBC News Online.

    He said many people in Russia were still struggling to come to terms with what the Red Army did during the war.

    Mr Beevor said: "I was shaken to the core when I discovered that soldiers raped female prisoners of war.

    Antony Beevor has stirred up a hornets' nest


    "That completely undermined the notion that they were only using rape as a form of revenge against the Germans.

    He said women became "carnal booty" during the war.

    The Wehrmacht had abducted many Russian and Ukrainian girls and set them up in "military brothels".

    The Red Army, for its part, had engaged in an "alcohol-induced frenzy of sadism and humiliation".

    'Out of control'

    He told BBC News Online: "One has this image of the Soviet state and the Red Army as being extremely disciplined but in the first four months of 1945 their soldiers were completely out of control."



    The devastated Reichstag in Berlin after the battle


    Professor Oleg Rzheshevsky, head of war history at the Russian Academy of Sciences in Moscow, told BBC News Online these were grave accusations which were not supported by documentary evidence.

    Professor Rzheshevsky, who admitted he had only read excerpts and had not seen the book's source notes, said: "Information on the number of raped and killed women is based on victims' and witnesses' accounts, some excerpts from interviews and other such sources."

    He said Mr Beevor's use of phrases such as "Berliners remember" and "the experiences of the raped German women" were more suitable for pulp fiction, than scientific research.

    Professor Rzheshevsky said considering what the German Army had done in the Soviet Union the Germans could have expected an "avalanche of revenge".

    'Humane soldiers'

    But he said that did not happen and added: "The majority of soldiers and officers of the Soviet Army and the allied armies treated the local population humanely."

    Stalingrad was the turning point on the Eastern Front


    The professor said 4,148 Red Army officers and many privates were "punished" for committing atrocities.

    Professor Evan Mawdsley, a historian from Glasgow University, said it was not the first time women had become "carnal booty" in time of war.

    Professor Richard Overy, a historian from King's College London, said the Russians had never faced up to the atrocities committed by the Red Army. He said: "Partly this is because they felt that much of it was justified vengeance against an enemy who committed much worse, and partly it was because they were writing the victors' history."

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/1939174.stm

  3. #3

    Post Re: Red Army's Crime Records


    'They raped every German female from eight to 80'

    Antony Beevor, author of the acclaimed new book about the fall of Berlin, on a massive war crime committed by the victorious Red Army.

    Wednesday May 1, 2002
    The Guardian


    "Red Army soldiers don't believe in 'individual liaisons' with German women," wrote the playwright Zakhar Agranenko in his diary when serving as an officer of marine infantry in East Prussia. "Nine, ten, twelve men at a time - they rape them on a collective basis."



    The Soviet armies advancing into East Prussia in January 1945, in huge, long columns, were an extraordinary mixture of modern and medieval: tank troops in padded black helmets, Cossack cavalrymen on shaggy mounts with loot strapped to the saddle, lend-lease Studebakers and Dodges towing light field guns, and then a second echelon in horse-drawn carts. The variety of character among the soldiers was almost as great as that of their military equipment. There were freebooters who drank and raped quite shamelessly, and there were idealistic, austere communists and members of the intelligentsia appalled by such behaviour.

    Beria and Stalin, back in Moscow, knew perfectly well what was going on from a number of detailed reports. One stated that "many Germans declare that all German women in East Prussia who stayed behind were raped by Red Army soldiers". Numerous examples of gang rape were given - "girls under 18 and old women included".

    Marshal Rokossovsky issued order No 006 in an attempt to direct "the feelings of hatred at fighting the enemy on the battlefield." It appears to have had little effect. There were also a few arbitrary attempts to exert authority. The commander of one rifle division is said to have "personally shot a lieutenant who was lining up a group of his men before a German woman spreadeagled on the ground". But either officers were involved themselves, or the lack of discipline made it too dangerous to restore order over drunken soldiers armed with submachine guns.

    Calls to avenge the Motherland, violated by the Wehrmacht's invasion, had given the idea that almost any cruelty would be allowed. Even many young women soldiers and medical staff in the Red Army did not appear to disapprove. "Our soldiers' behaviour towards Germans, particularly German women, is absolutely correct!" said a 21-year-old from Agranenko's reconnaissance detachment. A number seemed to find it amusing. Several German women recorded how Soviet servicewomen watched and laughed when they were raped. But some women were deeply shaken by what they witnessed in Germany. Natalya Gesse, a close friend of the scientist Andrei Sakharov, had observed the Red Army in action in 1945 as a Soviet war correspondent. "The Russian soldiers were raping every German female from eight to eighty," she recounted later. "It was an army of rapists." Drink of every variety, including dangerous chemicals seized from laboratories and workshops, was a major factor in the violence. It seems as if Soviet soldiers needed alcoholic courage to attack a woman. But then, all too often, they drank too much and, unable to complete the act, used the bottle instead with appalling effect. A number of victims were mutilated obscenely.




    The subject of the Red Army's mass rapes in Germany has been so repressed in Russia that even today veterans refuse to acknowledge what really happened. The handful prepared to speak openly, however, are totally unrepentant. "They all lifted their skirts for us and lay on the bed," said the leader of one tank company. He even went on to boast that "two million of our children were born" in Germany.

    The capacity of Soviet officers to convince themselves that most of the victims were either happy with their fate, or at least accepted that it was their turn to suffer after what the Wehrmacht had done in Russia, is striking. "Our fellows were so sex-starved," a Soviet major told a British journalist at the time, "that they often raped old women of sixty, seventy or even eighty - much to these grandmothers' surprise, if not downright delight."

    One can only scratch at the surface of the psychological contradictions. When gang-raped women in Königsberg begged their attackers afterwards to put them out of their misery, the Red Army men appear to have felt insulted. "Russian soldiers do not shoot women," they replied. "Only German soldiers do that." The Red Army had managed to convince itself that because it had assumed the moral mission to liberate Europe from fascism it could behave entirely as it liked, both personally and politically.

    Domination and humiliation permeated most soldiers' treatment of women in East Prussia. The victims not only bore the brunt of revenge for Wehrmacht crimes, they also represented an atavistic target as old as war itself. Rape is the act of a conqueror, the feminist historian Susan Brownmiller observed, aimed at the "bodies of the defeated enemy's women" to emphasise his victory. Yet after the initial fury of January 1945 dissipated, the sadism became less marked. By the time the Red Army reached Berlin three months later, its soldiers tended to regard German women more as a casual right of conquest. The sense of domination certainly continued, but this was perhaps partly an indirect product of the humiliations which they themselves had suffered at the hands of their commanders and the Soviet authorities as a whole.

    A number of other forces or influences were at work. Sexual freedom had been a subject for lively debate within Communist party circles during the 1920s, but during the following decade, Stalin ensured that Soviet society depicted itself as virtually asexual. This had nothing to do with genuine puritanism: it was because love and sex did not fit in with dogma designed to "deindividualise" the individual. Human urges and emotions had to be suppressed. Freud's work was banned, divorce and adultery were matters for strong party disapproval. Criminal sanctions against homosexuality were reintroduced. The new doctrine extended even to the complete suppression of sex education. In graphic art, the clothed outline of a woman's breasts was regarded as dangerously erotic. They had to be disguised under boiler suits. The regime clearly wanted any form of desire to be converted into love for the party and above all for Comrade Stalin.

    Most ill-educated Red Army soldiers suffered from sexual ignorance and utterly unenlightened attitudes towards women. So the Soviet state's attempts to suppress the libido of its people created what one Russian writer described as a sort of "barracks eroticism" which was far more primitive and violent than "the most sordid foreign pornography". All this was combined with the dehumanising influence of modern propaganda and the atavistic, warring impulses of men marked by fear and suffering.

    The novelist Vasily Grossman, a war correspondent attached to the invading Red Army, soon discovered that rape victims were not just Germans. Polish women also suffered. So did young Russian, Belorussian and Ukrainian women who had been sent back to Germany by the Wehrmacht for slave labour. "Liberated Soviet girls quite often complain that our soldiers rape them," he noted. "One girl said to me in tears: 'He was an old man, older than my father'."

    The rape of Soviet women and girls seriously undermines Russian attempts to justify Red Army behaviour on the grounds of revenge for German brutality in the Soviet Union. On March 29 1945 the central committee of the Komsomol (the youth organisation of the Soviet Union) informed Stalin's associate Malenkov of a report from the 1st Ukrainian Front. "On the night of 24 February," General Tsygankov recorded in the first of many examples, "a group of 35 provisional lieutenants on a course and their battalion commander entered the women's dormitory in the village of Grutenberg and raped them."

    In Berlin, many women were simply not prepared for the shock of Russian revenge, however much horror propaganda they had heard from Goebbels. Many reassured themselves that, although the danger must be great out in the countryside, mass rapes could hardly take place in the city in front of everybody.

    In Dahlem, Soviet officers visited Sister Kunigunde, the mother superior of Haus Dahlem, a maternity clinic and orphanage. The officers and their men behaved impeccably. In fact, the officers even warned Sister Kunigunde about the second-line troops following on behind. Their prediction proved entirely accurate. Nuns, young girls, old women, pregnant women and mothers who had just given birth were all raped without pity.

    Yet within a couple of days, a pattern emerged of soldiers flashing torches in the faces of women huddled in the bunkers to choose their victims. This process of selection, as opposed to the indiscriminate violence shown earlier, indicates a definite change. By this stage Soviet soldiers started to treat German women more as sexual spoils of war than as substitutes for the Wehrmacht on which to vent their rage.

    Rape has often been defined by writers on the subject as an act of violence which has little to do with sex. But that is a definition from the victim's perspective. To understand the crime, one needs to see things from the perpetrator's point of view, especially in the later stages when unaggravated rape had succeeded the extreme onslaught of January and February.

    Many women found themselves forced to "concede" to one soldier in the hope that he would protect them from others. Magda Wieland, a 24-year-old actress, was dragged from a cupboard in her apartment just off the Kurfürstendamm. A very young soldier from central Asia hauled her out. He was so excited at the prospect of a beautiful young blonde that he ejaculated prematurely. By sign language, she offered herself to him as a girlfriend if he would protect her from other Russian soldiers, but he went off to boast to his comrades and another soldier raped her. Ellen Goetz, a Jewish friend of Magda's, was also raped. When other Germans tried to explain to the Russians that she was Jewish and had been persecuted, they received the retort: "Frau ist Frau."

    Women soon learned to disappear during the "hunting hours" of the evening. Young daughters were hidden in storage lofts for days on end. Mothers emerged into the street to fetch water only in the early morning when Soviet soldiers were sleeping off the alcohol from the night before. Sometimes the greatest danger came from one mother giving away the hiding place of other girls in a desperate bid to save her own daughter. Older Berliners still remember the screams every night. It was impossible not to hear them because all the windows had been blown in.

    Estimates of rape victims from the city's two main hospitals ranged from 95,000 to 130,000. One doctor deduced that out of approximately 100,000 women raped in the city, some 10,000 died as a result, mostly from suicide. The death rate was thought to have been much higher among the 1.4 million estimated victims in East Prussia, Pomerania and Silesia. Altogether at least two million German women are thought to have been raped, and a substantial minority, if not a majority, appear to have suffered multiple rape.

    If anyone attempted to defend a woman against a Soviet attacker it was either a father trying to defend a daughter or a young son trying to protect his mother. "The 13-year old Dieter Sahl," neighbours wrote in a letter shortly after the event, "threw himself with flailing fists at a Russian who was raping his mother in front of him. He did not succeed in anything except getting himself shot."

    After the second stage of women offering themselves to one soldier to save themselves from others, came the post-battle need to survive starvation. Susan Brownmiller noted "the murky line that divides wartime rape from wartime prostitution". Soon after the surrender in Berlin, Ursula von Kardorff found all sorts of women prostituting themselves for food or the alternative currency of cigarettes. Helke Sander, a German film-maker who researched the subject in great detail, wrote of "the grey area of direct force, blackmail, calculation and real affection".

    The fourth stage was a strange form of cohabitation in which Red Army officers settled in with German "occupation wives". The Soviet authorities were appalled and enraged when a number of Red Army officers, intent on staying with their German lovers, deserted when it was time to return to the Motherland.

    Even if the feminist definition of rape purely as an act of violence proves to be simplistic, there is no justification for male complacency. If anything, the events of 1945 reveal how thin the veneer of civilisation can be when there is little fear of retribution. It also suggests a much darker side to male sexuality than we might care to admit. © Antony Beevor.
    www.antonybeevor.com

    · Berlin: The Downfall 1945 is published by Viking Penguin
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/g2/story/0...7835%2C00.html

  4. #4

    Post Re: Red Army's Crime Records


    History is Full of Surprises for Those Who Ignore It

    by Michael Peirce

    It was with a sense of wonder that I read English writer Daniel Johnson’s piece "
    Red Army troops raped even Russian women as they freed them from camps."

    What really knocked me out of my chair was this statement, "The Red Army's orgy of rape in the dying days of Nazi Germany was conducted on a much greater scale than previously suspected." I can only ask, "than previously suspected by whom"? The answer must be that public school graduates are as ill informed in the UK as they are here in never never land (as in Never Read, Never Think). That, coupled with the fact the in both countries the State-sponsored media conform to a leftist world view that eschews truth as anathema, has been enough to teach several generations of post modernist "deep thinkers" that all evil that exists in this world is a result somehow of either Christians with their annoying morality or political right wingers, real and alleged. Is not "Nazi" the worst insult that light weights like Madeleine Albright can pull out of their linguistic bag of tricks? Heard any commentator mention the crimes of the left lately?

    Unbelievable as it seems, there are in this world many who remain convinced that the Soviet communists were really no worse than say, the Republicans. It should be obvious that there is no comparison between the two – the communists for all their sins were at least effective. No one can accuse the Republicans of that. How long has stopping the abortion holocaust been part of their alleged "platform"?

    The Communist Party on the other hand dealt with the perceived problems of Russia with methods right out of Genghis Khan’s handbook. That millions died is not debatable – the numbers tossed around are between thirty and sixty million. That’s not counting the millions that died enjoying the dubious distinction of being "liberated" by the Red Army. Complaining about the Soviet Army’s predilection for rape seems almost silly in a way – like complaining about the Allied planes causing noise pollution flying over Hamburg or Dresden. Not knowing about the Soviet Army’s bad habits is on the other hand, downright dangerous.

    That our media of today is staffed by writers and announcers who are essentially clueless is mortifying – one almost longs for the government controlled media of the many conspiracy theories – at least then there would be an excuse other than sheer ignorance.

    Johnson’s admission of ignorance comes in his review of a book on the Battle of Stalingrad by one Anthony Beevor. Beevor apparently is either as ill-educated as Johnson or simply a shill for the radical feminists. Consider this quote, "I had to come to the conclusion that if there is a lack of army discipline, most men with a weapon, dehumanized by living through two or three years of war, do become potential rapists…" Is that so? Most men?

    One might reasonably ask why other armies don’t turn into mobs of licentious brutes, which is not to say that some don’t but which is to say that most don’t. What is scary here, and particularly for writers of the politically correct genre, is the fact that armies take on the characteristics of the nations they are raised to defend. The Russian Army was known as a pack of rapists since long before the Napoleonic wars. The Prussians on the other hand are known for rather an indifferent almost casual brutality. The French Army has always been known for pillaging and plundering, the Polish for suicidal courage, and the British Army (perish the thought!) has come down through history with one of the worst of all reputations for drunkenness and rapine. "The scum of the earth, enlisted for drink" is how the Duke of Wellington put it.

    And of course let’s not forget the Americans. Our boys, with some exceptions, like Sherman’s brigands, have been well known for their essential decency. Unless of course, you happen to be on the wrong map square when some politician starts worrying about his legacy and sends out the bombers and cruise missiles. Still, if you must be invaded, US troops are the ones you want. Nobody has any sayings about them like there are in Europe such as "May God deliver us from the Cossacks!" Those guys aren’t handing out chewing gum folks…

    It might behoove us to consider history for a moment. Let’s focus on the Russian Army and strip away all the banal nonsense about "men as rapists" and consider Russian men as rapists because generalities are for the intellectually vapid – let’s look at specifics and see how facts intrude upon silly theories of the mythical "everyman".

    In 1805 England seized upon the execution by Napoleon of the duc d’Enghien as a Bourbon terrorist to launch yet another war against the French. Chary as always of risking their own blood, the British deemed it best to wage war with money and let others pay the butcher’s bill. They enticed the Austrians and Russians into forming what came to be known as the Third Coalition. Once again, the armies would march to stamp out the hated Corsican usurper.

    The usurper was quicker. His Grande Armee marched from the camps in Boulougne facing England all the way to Austria almost before the Austrians realized they were at war. "He makes war in a new way –with our feet not our blood." Napoleon’s army of 1805 was arguably the best, or one of the best in the history of war. He and his Marshals soon trounced the "unfortunate General Mack" at Ulm and chased the Austrians right out of their capital city of Vienna!

    The much overrated General Katusov force marched his Russian Army to a juncture with that of the remaining Austrians. This force consisted of thousands of serfs impressed into uniform and commanded by the spoiled nobility of Czarist Russia. The "Little Father" of the Russians, Czar Alexander, and his ally the Austrian Emperor Francis had rather a chilly meeting. Francis was glad of the reinforcement but quietly horrified and greatly angered by the stories coming in from the countryside. It seems his allies, the Russians, had been looting, raping and plundering their way across his kingdom with a barbarity that shocked even the Austrian generals who had themselves seen some horrors in the endless wars against the Turk on the military frontier. What was worse, the Austrian citizenry were so terrified by the Russians that they were welcoming the French invaders as liberators!

    Alexander was unimpressed by the news that his serfs in arms had been committing depredations. After all, they comported themselves in exactly the same way back in the Rodina, Holy Mother Russia herself. It was a long Russian tradition and harkened back to the Tatars and Mongols who had themselves subjected Russia to a string of brutal invasions. To this day the discerning eye can sense the cruelty of the east in the Russian apparatus of war – look carefully at one of their tanks and the spirit of the Mongol Horde can be discerned in the design.

    Borders matter you see, and must be defended to the death. Countries who fail to do that will end up invaded and brutalized. Are you listening Dubya?!

    For even after repelling or assimilating the last of the invaders, Russia remained always a land under the shadow of the brutal horseman who had rampaged across the steppes. The plight of the Russian peasant was always worse than that of their cousins in western Europe and remained so under the Czars.

    A Russian serf could be sold along with an estate. Their situation was essentially slavery with no hope of manumission. Russian soldiers were "requisitioned" from the nobility who not surprisingly, often sent the dregs off to war, keeping the best to work the estates. Men who should perhaps, have graced a gallows or a drunk tank, found themselves marching through rich lands where they encountered women unlike any they had ever seen back home; places where even the peasants seemed to them to live like the nobility in rich homes boasting delicacies unheard of in the east. Ivan helped himself to whatever he wanted, and he wanted whatever he saw.

    Napoleon saw off the Russians and Austrians at the Battle of Austerlitz, a classic example of a modern army destroying a peasant levy commanded by men whose only claim to command was blood. Blood was indeed the price of such folly and the Russians who survived the massacre on the ice marched sullenly back to their eastern lair, to the vast relief of all who’d had the misfortune to be in their line of march.

    Fast forward to 1945. Meet the Red Army of kindly old US ally "Uncle Joe," beloved of Roosevelt, the Western intellectuals and the spiritual fathers of those liberals who today can be found in the teacher’s unions and the Democratic Party. The lot of the Russian peasant who served in the ranks had not improved appreciably since the days of the Czars. Conditions were if anything worse. The relentless German invaders had turned much of Russia into a zone of desolation. Behind the lines, in both directions, brutal secret political police tortured and murdered at will.

    A recent movie called "Enemy at the Gates" gave us a fairly accurate and chilling glimpse of the beastly conditions of war on the Eastern front. A war so horrific, that Germany was in fact defeated beyond any hope of recovery before the first Western Allied soldiers set foot on the shores of Europe. Six million German soldiers had become casualties fighting in this most desperate of all wars and now the Red Army was poised to strike at Berlin. Their tanks sported catchy slogans such as "Forward to the lair of the fascist beast." Thousands of tanks and Stalin Organs (multiple rocket launcher trucks) were waiting to blast the husk of the Wehrmacht to pieces and end it.

    The soldiers crouched behind the turrets of the huge T-34 tanks clutching their submachine guns and trenching tools had cold eyes and lived for revenge. For many of them, there was no home to go to; their homes had been destroyed by the Germans or simply obliterated during the huge battles of the early years of the war. They lived for the moment and knew that life was short at the front. Even the commissars had learned to walk softly around the steely eyed men of the Guards Divisions.

    Propagandists like Ilya Ehrenberg stirred up their blood lust with chilling exhortations to revenge.

    Attacks were fronted by penal troops – men grabbed by the NKVD or police for crimes as trivial as laughing or talking during political education and some for crimes as dreadful as murder. Many of them had simply had the misfortune to be captured by the Germans early in the war and had been arrested as "class traitors" upon being "freed" from the German POW camps. Together with the Mongolian troops whom Marshal Zhukov considered highly expendable, these men would fight their way through the mine fields under the fire of the crazed German defenders whose wives and families were often trekking westward just behind the thin screen of desperate fighters, in long columns of refugees. These columns were routinely strafed by the Red Air Force and on occasion, simply rolled over by the long lines of Stalin tanks. It got really ugly when the Russian foot soldiers caught up with these refugee columns.

    Picture if you will, how such men will treat the civilians of the countries upon whom their dark shadow falls. Then remember their rich heritage of rapine and plunder and ponder this: even these men considered the rear area troops to be the truly dangerous fellows and often warned their own victims to beware the second wave!

    Marshal Zhukov actually told Eisenhower that yes, his men did indeed rape grandmothers, in his words, "to their surprise and delight," and that this was an old Russian practice and was considered good luck. Really? I’m unaware of any other nation where this charming bit of mythology holds sway! I wonder if those who maintain that all cultures are morally equal would care to incorporate this practice into our less exotic western mores?

    Ivan is a paradox – kind to children and possessed of almost a child like docility, he can turn into a monster with no warning. He treated the "liberated" countries of Eastern Europe just as he treated the Germans with whom he had at least a real grievance. He was brave beyond belief and fought in a war that offered him nothing more than a chance for survival under a brutal regime and an occasional issue of cheap army vodka. See the writings of General von Mellenthin and Colonel von Luck, both German panzer commanders who fought against the Red Army, for a surprisingly sympathetic view of these men.

    In the end though, it is difficult to maintain a sympathetic view of them. It is interesting however, to note how the national characteristics shine through, even when cloaked with a dark blanket of ideology. The Prussians were their usual brutal selves in World War Two, the Russians raped everyone in sight. The British got everybody into the war that they could including the USA and supplied arms to anyone who would fight. Napoleon would have been surprised only by the scope of the conflict but not by the conduct of the warring nations.

    What conclusions can we draw from all this? Let’s try a few and see what we find.


    • Nations exist because groups of people with similar characteristics tend to stay together, and it is dangerous to draw conclusions about all men based on the actions of some men! After years of domination by the anti-nationalist communists, the Russians remain after all, just Russians.
    • History is of scant interest to those who educate and to those who shape the opinions of the masses. Everything is new to them, every day.
    • Communism is a brutal and murderous doctrine that has been largely ignored and even elevated since the end of the Cold War to the status of a mere political party by those in the media and academe. We should be very worried about that because those who cover up mass murder while pontificating routinely about "tolerance" and "hurtful conduct" obviously have an agenda that bodes ill for you and me.
    • It is a real bad thing to be invaded by Russia, regardless of who is in charge!


    The one question that keeps coming back to me about this British writer is in reference to yet another of those pesky historical incidents that are considered best forgotten by post modern man. Will he be just as surprised when he hears about this? Perhaps he will be even more surprised, coming as he does from a country where all is pristine socialist perfection and men live to glorify a happy, classless diversity.

    It is about a city that was literally torn to pieces in a three day orgy of rape and violence during the Napoleonic Wars. There wasn’t a Russian for hundreds of miles in any direction yet the atrocities were indeed committed by another supposedly friendly power against an ally. The city was called Badejoz and the victims were Spanish. The violence finally burned itself out only after the Duke of Wellington had a gallows erected in the center of town as a warning to his troops to desist.

    Yes, it was done by British troops and they utterly trashed that Spanish town while terrified French and Hessian prisoners looked on in horror and British officers watched helplessly. Perhaps Misters Johnson and Beevor owe the Russians an apology?

    January 28, 2002




    http://www.lewrockwell.com/peirce/peirce52.html

  5. #5
    Senior Member
    Deling's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2003
    Last Online
    Thursday, April 16th, 2009 @ 11:56 PM
    Ethnicity
    Swedish
    Subrace
    Hyperborean
    Country
    Sweden Sweden
    Location
    Scandinavia, Europa
    Gender
    Age
    37
    Family
    Single
    Occupation
    "Plebej by choice"
    Politics
    Conservative Revolution
    Religion
    Orthodoxy
    Posts
    410
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    0
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    4
    Thanked in
    4 Posts

    Post Re: Red Army's Crime Records

    Don't forget that it wasn't only German women who was raped; Poles, Hungarians, Czechs, Austrians too. 500 000 women were said to be raped in Vienna alone.

    It's a pity, but it's fortunately history. The brutal rapes, tortures and molesting of Central European women is a tragedy which I believe have to be forgotten; for the sake of brotherhood.
    Atleast they were raped by Europeans, if that's a consolidation. French and American negro troops raped thousands of European women in Strasbourg and western Germany too.

    ...and the Red Army was not just an 'Army of Evil', there were lots of women in it, and many men who were soldiers; not rapers. The army constituted of about 5 million men and women, and most of these apparently wasn't rapists.

    I hope that in our age the Mark of Kain will vanish forever: no more blood spilled between brothers!

  6. #6

  7. #7
    Senior Member
    Deling's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2003
    Last Online
    Thursday, April 16th, 2009 @ 11:56 PM
    Ethnicity
    Swedish
    Subrace
    Hyperborean
    Country
    Sweden Sweden
    Location
    Scandinavia, Europa
    Gender
    Age
    37
    Family
    Single
    Occupation
    "Plebej by choice"
    Politics
    Conservative Revolution
    Religion
    Orthodoxy
    Posts
    410
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    0
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    4
    Thanked in
    4 Posts

    Post Re: Red Army's Crime Records

    "The victims shouldn't be forgotten; the pain and commemoration of all victims should be shared by both factions and lessons learned to prevent that strife and shame befall the generations to come."

    Perhaps, but often it doesn't turn out that way.
    When the Latvians build a commemoration monument for SS volunteers, the Russians are outraged (and European PK's)...

    when Russians want to raise a monument to Stalin in Volgograd, East Europeans are outraged...

    When the Red Army is called the 'liberator of Auschwitz' even a Nationalist party in Sweden (which I respect) writes about 'The Army of Evil' in protest...

    Turks has for long forgotten the battle of Kosovo 1389, but Serbs sure didn't being beaten by Muslims...

    Armenians make the 1915 ethnic cleansings by Turks into a cult, like Jews and holocaust; and in neither of the cases there are brotherly feelings between victim and perpetrator...

    Chechens hasn't forgotten what Stalin did to them at the end of WWII, and it sure affects the Russian empire today...

    All rememberance cults lead to outrage, to hate against those who've humiliated them. I can't say this is wrong, because I'm no moralist, but I claim it isn't good for Europeans (or the so-called 'European integration').

    And when I look at this forum, Skadi, there isn't hard to find serious national antagonisms: and this between 'enlightened' (or what to call it) Racialists!

    What's needed is history written about the reconciliance between European people, not just the brutal wars and humiliation, but the effects and interaction between us; which historically crosses sub-racial, linguistic and cultural borders.
    But this history is never written about...

  8. #8
    "Du bist das Bild, das ich in mir barg..."
    „Friend of Germanics”
    Funding Membership Inactive
    Siegmund's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2004
    Last Online
    Tuesday, April 11th, 2017 @ 10:14 PM
    Ethnicity
    Germanic
    Gender
    Politics
    Folkish
    Posts
    1,023
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    0
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    14
    Thanked in
    13 Posts

    Post AW: Re: Red Army's Crime Records

    Quote Originally Posted by Deling
    It's a pity, but it's fortunately history. The brutal rapes, tortures and molesting of Central European women is a tragedy which I believe have to be forgotten; for the sake of brotherhood.
    It's not "fortunately history" if the girl who was raped was family. Family is REAL. "Brotherhood" is an abstraction. Unconscionable acts that happen to family, kin and tribe can never and should never be forgotten.


    Quote Originally Posted by Deling
    Atleast they were raped by Europeans, if that's a consolidation.
    Utter nonsense. Clearly, you have no empathy or respect for the pain and horror of actual human beings.


    Quote Originally Posted by Frans_Jozef
    The victims shouldn't be forgotten; the pain and commemoration of all victims should be shared by both factions and lessons learned to prevent that strife and shame befall the generations to come.
    As always, the humanitarian voice of reason. Bravo, Frans.

  9. #9
    Senior Member
    Deling's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2003
    Last Online
    Thursday, April 16th, 2009 @ 11:56 PM
    Ethnicity
    Swedish
    Subrace
    Hyperborean
    Country
    Sweden Sweden
    Location
    Scandinavia, Europa
    Gender
    Age
    37
    Family
    Single
    Occupation
    "Plebej by choice"
    Politics
    Conservative Revolution
    Religion
    Orthodoxy
    Posts
    410
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    0
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    4
    Thanked in
    4 Posts

    Post Re: Red Army's Crime Records

    "It's not "fortunately history" if the girl who was raped was family. Family is REAL. "Brotherhood" is an abstraction. Unconscionable acts that happen to family, kin and tribe can never and should never be forgotten."

    Well, first then: If brotherhood is an abstraction, why are you a "NS Idealist" fighting for the 'White Race'? The 'White Race' must be the greatest abstractions of all.

    Second: I don't care about Moralism, only realities. It's bad for the brotherhood of all Europeans to bring up all these historical agonies. I mean: How far are we gonna go?? Swedish mercenaries raped thousands and thousands of girls and women in the German States during the Thirty Years' War, and 1/3 of the whole population was either killed or forced to refuge (not only because of Swedes, but Sweden sure prolonged the war). Are Germans today to hate Swedes because of that, or is it only WWII atrocities that are never to be forgotten? That sounds like the holocaust cultists.

    Third: I don't know how real family really is, but brotherhood is just as real. If not people wouldn't voluntarily sacrifice their lives to defend their nation. A nation is a brotherhood. THE WARS are real, and the killing. You condone these wars between brothers by stating what you've stated. No Europeans want more intra-European wars, but what do you care...? Over there in America you're just one big, English-speaking happy white family...

    Lastly then: With your view on retribution and vengeance, you would be welcome to Albania and Kurdistan. They like blood-vengeance over there.

    "Utter nonsense. Clearly, you have no empathy or respect for the pain and horror of actual human beings."

    I sure have that, but I don't care about Moralisms and mourning a tragic past which can trigger wars TODAY.

    "As always, the humanitarian voice of reason. Bravo, Frans."

    You're National Socialist and a Humanitarian moralist... well, I guess everyone can think up their own brand of NS.
    But if you really care so much about people, the best to do is to forget past atrocities. The memory of Katyns', Auschwitz', Kosovo 1389's and others except them, are sometimes murderous TODAY, not just in history books.

  10. #10
    Senior Member
    Oskorei's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2004
    Last Online
    Sunday, December 14th, 2008 @ 05:15 PM
    Ethnicity
    Swedish
    Subrace
    Tydal/Litorid/Nordid
    Country
    Sweden Sweden
    Location
    Gothenburrah
    Gender
    Politics
    Identitär
    Religion
    Indo-europeisk Traditionalist
    Posts
    2,179
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    0
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    15
    Thanked in
    15 Posts

    Post Re: Red Army's Crime Records

    Quote Originally Posted by Deling
    "It's not "fortunately history" if the girl who was raped was family. Family is REAL. "Brotherhood" is an abstraction. Unconscionable acts that happen to family, kin and tribe can never and should never be forgotten."

    Well, first then: If brotherhood is an abstraction, why are you a "NS Idealist" fighting for the 'White Race'? The 'White Race' must be the greatest abstractions of all.

    Second: I don't care about Moralism, only realities. It's bad for the brotherhood of all Europeans to bring up all these historical agonies. I mean: How far are we gonna go?? Swedish mercenaries raped thousands and thousands of girls and women in the German States during the Thirty Years' War, and 1/3 of the whole population was either killed or forced to refuge (not only because of Swedes, but Sweden sure prolonged the war). Are Germans today to hate Swedes because of that, or is it only WWII atrocities that are never to be forgotten? That sounds like the holocaust cultists.

    Lastly then: With your view on retribution and vengeance, you would be welcome to Albania and Kurdistan. They like blood-vengeance over there.

    .
    We are not to hate other European nationalities, but we are not to forgive the leaders responsible for the massacres (and that primarily are the Allied leaders IMO, but that is of little interest today). And if we really want to avoid future brotherwars, Dresden stands out as a warning for the future.

    The way I read it, Siegmund was not expressing hatred for European ethnicities, but for traitorous leaders.

    Brotherhood in the meaning of extended family, I do not see as an abstraction though.

    And part of the disease of modern Europe is too little blood-vengeance. Those who rape our women and massacre our populations should live in constant fear.

Page 1 of 5 12345 LastLast

Similar Threads

  1. Red Army Choir - Kalinka
    By Wulfaz in forum Music & Hymns
    Replies: 0
    Last Post: Thursday, March 9th, 2017, 03:14 PM
  2. Baader-Meinhof/Red Army Faction
    By Krampus in forum Self-Defense & the Art of War
    Replies: 13
    Last Post: Thursday, August 19th, 2004, 08:47 PM
  3. Russian Red Army Choir
    By blut-ehre in forum Music & Hymns
    Replies: 38
    Last Post: Monday, November 24th, 2003, 08:03 AM

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •