View Poll Results: Please state which ideology resembles your views most

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  • National-socialism

    154 29.00%
  • Zionism

    13 2.45%
  • Fascism/corporatism/solidarism

    32 6.03%
  • National-anarchism/third positionism

    29 5.46%
  • New Right

    30 5.65%
  • Paleo-conservatism

    49 9.23%
  • Neo-conservatism

    9 1.69%
  • Christian democracy

    7 1.32%
  • Libertarianism/anarchism

    52 9.79%
  • Social democracy

    23 4.33%
  • Communism

    18 3.39%
  • (left wing) ecologism

    6 1.13%
  • Other

    94 17.70%
  • I'm not very interested in politics. I don't have any ideology.

    15 2.82%
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    Anarchist/libertarian here.

    Though I'm disturbed by the number of national socialists here...

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    Alright could you post, what positions you hold on social, economic and political issues?

    I may have a warped view of national socialists, thanks to the media.

    I just tend oppose view points that either extreme left or extreme right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Viking King View Post
    Alright could you post, what positions you hold on social, economic and political issues?

    I may have a warped view of national socialists, thanks to the media.

    I just tend oppose view points that either extreme left or extreme right.
    Extreme is in the eye of the beholder . It is hard these days to be right wing and not be "extreme", if by extreme you mean holding opinions that differ from what is considered PC/kosher/acceptable, by the ruling socialist and liberal elites. None of the ideas I hold would have been considered extreme a hundred years ago by the Conservative right. And I am a Conservative, not a liberal, not a socialist. The society of today is their creation, the fact that they have been running the show for so long does not make my views and opinions any less valid than theirs, we're simply on opposite ends politically.

    You look at it from your perspective, I get that, but it gets to be a bit old hearing the extreme label being used in a way that boxes off everything which deviates from mainstream-PC-thought. Open your mind a bit, you're a libertarian for Christ's sake .

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    You look at it from your perspective, I get that, but it gets to be a bit old hearing the extreme label being used in a way that boxes off everything which deviates from mainstream-PC-thought. Open your mind a bit, you're a libertarian for Christ's sake.
    I have no problem with conservatives like you mate. It's just national socialists (i.e. Nazis) that scare me. I think you'll understand why.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Viking King View Post
    Alright could you post, what positions you hold on social, economic and political issues?

    I may have a warped view of national socialists, thanks to the media.

    I just tend oppose view points that either extreme left or extreme right.
    I noticed, in a parallel thread, that you contrasted your views to "hate based" views such as National Socialism. So yes, I think that you have a warped view of National Socialism if you believe that it is based on hate and/or that National Socialists "join" just because they hate something or in order to hate something.

    If something is hated, it is beacuse it threatens or destroys something that is highly valued and loved.

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    Well it's just from my current understanding when it comes to social issues they are usually:

    Racist
    Anti-Semite
    Homophobic
    Anti-equality between men and women
    Anti-mentally ill
    Anti-disabled/handicapped
    Anti-intellectual
    Ethnocentric
    Statist/totalitarian
    Pro-eugenics etc...

    That's practically almost everything I firmly stand against.

    Enlighten me if I'm wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Viking King View Post
    Anarchist/libertarian here.

    Though I'm disturbed by the number of national socialists here...
    Quote Originally Posted by Viking King View Post
    ... I may have a warped view of national socialists, thanks to the media.

    I just tend oppose view points that either extreme left or extreme right.
    'Extreme' is really subjective. I would have thought that, from an anarchist perspective, Conservatives, Christian Democrats or plain old vanilla Socialists could be described as 'extreme'. Whilst I couldn't describe myself as a National Socialist, more of an ethnocentric pan-European Nationalist, they certainly have many positive policies and attitudes. To say the Nazi's were given a bad press by the Allied and Soviet propaganda machines during WWII and since, would be a bit of an understatement. The vast majority of people who supported (support) the National Socialist ideology did so for positive reasons, not out of 'hate'. The word 'hate' has been so overused by the MSM that it has become meaningless to any open-minded person.

    Quote Originally Posted by Viking King View Post
    Well it's just from my current understanding when it comes to social issues they are usually:

    Racist
    Anti-Semite
    Homophobic
    Anti-equality between men and women
    Anti-mentally ill
    Anti-disabled/handicapped
    Anti-intellectual
    Ethnocentric
    Statist/totalitarian
    Pro-eugenics etc...

    That's practically almost everything I firmly stand against.

    Enlighten me if I'm wrong.
    Could you define 'Racist' and explain exactly why that's a bad thing, and why you 'stand against' it?

    I'm assuming you're calling an 'anti-semite' anybody who might question the degree to which Jewish control and influence of our education, news, entertainment, publishing and broadcasting might be disproportionate, and not necessarily beneficial to society as a whole?

    Seeing homosexuality and it's vices as socially undesirable is not a phobia.

    Women can be accepted as 100% as important and valuable as men, as we value and respect our mothers, wives and daughters and sisters, without imposing artificial, trendy politically correct notions of'equality' whereby women are made to feel they must earn money and pursue a career ahead of everything, ashamed for caring for and raising their own children. Look what capitalist and socialist notions of 'feminism' have done to women and families.

    What exactly is wrong with the belief that mental illness is a bad thing? Very few, if any, people describing themselves as National Socialists would be inclined to exterminate everybody with a psychological disorder. Likewise those with physical handicaps.

    Anti-intellectualism, in some cases could be argued to be a good thing. That would depend on your definition of an 'intellectual'.

    Not all National Socialists are eugenicists. Though I'm not pro-eugenics, I will listen to the arguments in favour of it and dispute where necessary.

    I can understand somebody being against notions of totalitarianism but I'm sure many National Socialists would argue that a one party National Socialist state can be at least as benevolent and democratic as the virtual two party oligarchies we live in now.

    Ethnocentrism (ethnic preservation) is what this forum is about. If you 'firmly stand against' the preservation of ethnic diversity, i.e. you're more of a miscegenator, you may well be in the wrong place.
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    Nationalist....What ever is best for my country and my people then I shall fight for it.

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    Could you define 'Racist' and explain exactly why that's a bad thing, and why you 'stand against' it?
    Because I believe it is immoral, unhumanitarian and unjustified to hate or discriminate someone simply because of their race and ethnicity.

    I'm assuming you're calling an 'anti-semite' anybody who might question the degree to which Jewish control and influence of our education, news, entertainment, publishing and broadcasting might be disproportionate, and not necessarily beneficial to society as a whole?
    I'm very sceptical of these "Jews and Zionists" controlling the media conspiracy theories. In my opinion they are as dubious and subjective as all the 9/11 theories.

    Seeing homosexuality and it's vices as socially undesirable is not a phobia.
    Sorry if I used the wrong nomenclature. Homophobia - despite the unscientific nature of the term, is a general catch all term for hatred, fear or opposition to homosexuality or homosexuals.

    Women can be accepted as 100% as important and valuable as men, as we value and respect our mothers, wives and daughters and sisters, without imposing artificial, trendy politically correct notions of'equality' whereby women are made to feel they must earn money and pursue a career ahead of everything, ashamed for caring for and raising their own children. Look what capitalist and socialist notions of 'feminism' have done to women and families.
    I agree with you here. What I mean, is feminism or gender egalitarianism in it's most basic sense - equal rights and opportunities for women. Feminism does have many flaws and adverse effects on women and men.

    What exactly is wrong with the belief that mental illness is a bad thing? Very few, if any, people describing themselves as National Socialists would be inclined to exterminate everybody with a psychological disorder. Likewise those with physical handicaps.
    As a sufferer of bipolar disorder, I'd agree that mental illness is bad or even terrible thing, just as parkinson’s or leukaemia is. Though I don't agree that it's a character fault, or that mentally ill (not including psychopaths or the criminally insane) are bad people by default.

    Anti-intellectualism, in some cases could be argued to be a good thing. That would depend on your definition of an 'intellectual'.
    I would describe an intellectual - as a rational thinker - Richard Dawkins would be an example of this (whatever your view of him is).

    Not all National Socialists are eugenicists. Though I'm not pro-eugenics, I will listen to the arguments in favour of it and dispute where necessary.
    Exactly, it's good to be open minded to all possibilities, but also expose pseudo-science when necessary.

    Ethnocentrism (ethnic preservation) is what this forum is about. If you 'firmly stand against' the preservation of ethnic diversity, i.e. you're more of a miscegenator, you may well be in the wrong place.
    I don't fully support - miscegenation - but I oppose ethnocentrism and preservation of ethnic traits standing in the way of two people (whatever their race) falling in love. In this area, it's more of a "live and let live" attitude, though I'm only like that with certain issues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Viking King View Post
    Because I believe it is immoral, unhumanitarian and unjustified to hate or discriminate someone simply because of their race and ethnicity.
    I agree absolutely that it's immoral, inhuman and unjustified to hate someone solely because of their race or ethnicity. It's not about 'hate' (there's that word popping up again) but if that race or ethnicity represents a clear and identifiable threat discrimination would very likely be necessary. That doesn't mean 'hating' anybody, but it might mean restricting entry or even deportation. Unfortunately for the North (and South) American 'Indians' they were not in a position to exercise the sort of 'discrimination' that might have saved them.

    I'm very sceptical of these "Jews and Zionists" controlling the media conspiracy theories. In my opinion they are as dubious and subjective as all the 9/11 theories.
    I was dubious too:
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    I always regarded those complaining of excessive Jewish influence as crazy obsessive Christian fundamentalists and 'anti-semites'. anybody criticising, in any way, 'the chosen' must be either a bible bashing retard or just plain evil. The idea of a Jewish conspiracy seemed idiotic. I had never, to my knowledge, met a Jewish person nor had any dealings with them. It's ironic that these stereo types and this way of thinking was entirely the product of the mass media. I began to notice that the number of Jewish names in credits for films seemed quite disproportionate. A little research revealed some quite incredible facts. Many of our national newspapers were Jewish owned. The heads of most of the TV stations were Jewish. A hugely disproportionate number of producers and directors were Jewish. Still, I didn't have any problem with this. As far as I was concerned, if they were the careers those people chose, or if this was where they chose to invest their money; that was up to them.

    It was only later, when I was aware of who the media owners, producers, directors, presenters and actors were, that I started to listen more closely to what they were saying and how they were saying it. In these days of political correctness, when we're supposed to treat everybody equally and not discriminate, I became aware that certain groups were being constantly stereotyped. In Hollywood and American and British TV productions, Arabs and Europeans (Germans in particular) are almost always negatively portrayed. Jews and Africans are always wise and compassionate. The newspapers and news channels similarly put their biased slant on every story.

    The effect on our people afforded by this level of media control is so effective that anybody even expressing concern at this level of Jewish control and influence is instantly deemed anti-semitic, even criminal.

    In short, Hollywood seems very very Jewish to me. Certainly more than it should be in the 'representative democracies' they like to pretend we have.
    Some interesting facts and figures here: http://www.heretical.com/British/mindbend/index.html

    Sorry if I used the wrong nomenclature. Homophobia - despite the unscientific nature of the term, is a general catch all term for hatred, fear or opposition to homosexuality or homosexuals.
    It's entirely possible to have reservations about certain public displays of homosexual behaviour without hating homosexuals in the slightest. I believe homosexuals are, with very few exceptions, born that way and have no choice in the matter. I have no desire to hurt them, they should be able to lead full, productive and happy lives to the extent that their condition permits. I'd 'discriminate against them' to the same extent that I'd 'discriminate against' any heterosexual who exhibited inappropriate sexual behaviour in public.

    I agree with you here. What I mean, is feminism or gender egalitarianism in it's most basic sense - equal rights and opportunities for women. Feminism does have many flaws and adverse effects on women and men.
    So absolute 'equality' isn't always a prerequisite to a 'fair' and civil society.

    Effects of Feminism and Destruction of the Family

    As a sufferer of bipolar disorder, I'd agree that mental illness is bad or even terrible thing, just as parkinson’s or leukaemia is. Though I don't agree that it's a character fault, or that mentally ill (not including psychopaths or the criminally insane) are bad people by default.
    I agree. I couldn't defend any 'Nazi' or anybody else who would 'euthanise' (murder) a sick person, even if some dispassionate bastard might decide it's for the 'greater good'. I do believe in the absolute concepts of 'good' and 'evil', whether a person is mentally ill or plain evil is sometimes difficult to diagnose.

    I would describe an intellectual - as a rational thinker - Richard Dawkins would be an example of this (whatever your view of him is).
    I've got lots of opinions of Richard Dawkins, that's another thread The sort of 'intellectual' I have no time whatsoever for would be the sort of whining non-productive parasite who listens to jazz and sneers at the working man whose sweat allows the idler the luxury to indulge his 'intellectual' lifestyle and fantasies.

    Exactly, it's good to be open minded to all possibilities, but also expose pseudo-science when necessary.
    You'd have to argue with the pseudo-scientists on that one.

    I don't fully support - miscegenation - but I oppose ethnocentrism and preservation of ethnic traits standing in the way of two people (whatever their race) falling in love. In this area, it's more of a "live and let live" attitude, though I'm only like that with certain issues.
    So you don't 'fully' support it?

    Rapid Rise in Number of Mixed Race Britons

    Males of African descent in particular seem unable to help themselves, often fathering several children by various women who couldn't help "falling in love". Check out your local high street to see the mess that results.

    Do you really think we need more and more of this: 'I love my mixed race baby - but why does she feel so alien?'

    If this was something that happened on a small scale it could, arguably, be tolerated, we're supposed to be 'tolerant' after all, but it is happening on a mass scale which represents a very real, not so long term, threat to ethnic and cultural diversity in Europe. It has been estimated that indigenous white Britons will become a minority in their own country within a few generations. This has already happened in British cities including Leicester and Birmingham. It's probably already happened in London, if you look around there, but not yet officially. If trends continue we will effectively cease to exist, assimilated into a grey multicultural mass a few generations after that. This scenario, which is being forced on a nation who never asked for this, is quite unacceptable to many people, myself included.
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