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    Thumbs Down Germany: 'Work As A Prostitute Or Risk Losing Benefits'

    'Work As A Prostitute Or Risk Losing Benefits'
    By Clare Chapman

    A 25-year-old waitress who turned down a job providing "sexual services" at a brothel in Berlin faces possible cuts to her unemployment benefit under laws introduced this year.

    Prostitution was legalised in Germany just over two years ago and brothel owners -- who must pay tax and employee health insurance -- were granted access to official databases of jobseekers.

    The waitress, an unemployed information technology professional, had said that she was willing to work in a bar at night and had worked in a cafe.

    She received a letter from the job centre telling her that an employer was interested in her "profile" and that she should ring them. Only on doing so did the woman, who has not been identified for legal reasons, realise that she was calling a brothel.

    Under Germany's welfare reforms, any woman under 55 who has been out of work for more than a year can be forced to take an available job -- including in the sex industry -- or lose her unemployment benefit. Last month German unemployment rose for the 11th consecutive month to 4.5 million, taking the number out of work to its highest since reunification in 1990.

    The government had considered making brothels an exception on moral grounds, but decided that it would be too difficult to distinguish them from bars. As a result, job centres must treat employers looking for a prostitute in the same way as those looking for a dental nurse.

    When the waitress looked into suing the job centre, she found out that it had not broken the law. Job centres that refuse to penalise people who turn down a job by cutting their benefits face legal action from the potential employer.

    "There is now nothing in the law to stop women from being sent into the sex industry," said Merchthild Garweg, a lawyer from Hamburg who specialises in such cases. "The new regulations say that working in the sex industry is not immoral any more, and so jobs cannot be turned down without a risk to benefits."

    Miss Garweg said that women who had worked in call centres had been offered jobs on telephone sex lines. At one job centre in the city of Gotha, a 23-year-old woman was told that she had to attend an interview as a "nude model", and should report back on the meeting. Employers in the sex industry can also advertise in job centres, a move that came into force this month. A job centre that refuses to accept the advertisement can be sued.

    Tatiana Ulyanova, who owns a brothel in central Berlin, has been searching the online database of her local job centre for recruits.

    "Why shouldn't I look for employees through the job centre when I pay my taxes just like anybody else?" said Miss Ulyanova.

    Ulrich Kueperkoch wanted to open a brothel in Görlitz, in former East Germany, but his local job centre withdrew his advertisement for 12 prostitutes, saying it would be impossible to find them.

    Mr Kueperkoch said that he was confident of demand for a brothel in the area and planned to take a claim for compensation to the highest court. Prostitution was legalised in Germany in 2002 because the government believed that this would help to combat trafficking in women and cut links to organised crime.

    Miss Garweg believes that pressure on job centres to meet employment targets will soon result in them using their powers to cut the benefits of women who refuse jobs providing sexual services.

    "They are already prepared to push women into jobs related to sexual services, but which don't count as prostitution," she said.

    "Now that prostitution is no longer considered by the law to be immoral, there is really nothing but the goodwill of the job centres to stop them from pushing women into jobs they don't want to do."

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    MY first reaction on reading this story as the father of five daughters -- until I read the names of the people involved -- was one of frank incredulity.

    Let us ask ourselves a simple question: would this perverse situation have arisen in the National Socialist Germany of Adolf Hitler? On the contrary, what would his likely reaction have been, and what the fate of all the aforementioned people involved -- pimps, lawyers, ministers, and the rest?

    This is what happens when aliens are allowed to control the political and economic establishments of any country. Germany is now sinking into the Weimar period all over again -- which saw the inevitable dawn of National Socialism and the puritan reaction in 1933.
    HISTORY is repeating itself. What some people call "anti-Semitism" is perhaps just the Newtonian Law of society -- an opposite and equal reaction of the healthy host society to the perversions of some of its members.

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    > Let us ask ourselves a simple question: would this perverse situation have arisen in the National Socialist Germany of Adolf Hitler?

    THE QUESTION EVERY GERMAN SHOULD ASK HIMSELF!
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    Post Re: 'Work As A Prostitute Or Risk Losing Benefits'

    Quote Originally Posted by Thule
    Under Germany's welfare reforms, any woman under 55 who has been out of work for more than a year can be forced to take an available job -- including in the sex industry -- or lose her unemployment benefit.
    Someone’s mother, sister, girlfriend or daughter sold to the pimps by the biggest pimp of all - the German government. Thorburnoughly disgusting. A clear sign that Germany is ready for change.

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    Post Re: 'Work As A Prostitute Or Risk Losing Benefits'

    I heard of this before, and honestly I have trouble believing it. I'm no moralist, but employment hookers must be the sickest idea originating in the German lands for some decades.
    What's happening to Europe? Jobs are virtually disappearing, half-time and "flexible" (low-waged, irregular) works is the new way in the 'postmodern' service society. Now women may have to become whores, if they can't find jobs.
    I'm thinking of a quotation from Marx about society: "First it unfolds as a tragedy, the second time as farce".
    A slave-class is forming itself at the death bed of Welfare society; unprotected from exploitation and abuse. Millions of women as sex slaves, many more millions are "flexible workers" (the growing new proletariat). A clique of parasites organised in transnational networks; from the bank managers to the pimps on the streets.

    Don't know if I'm to cry or laugh about all this... if today's Europe is a tragedy or farce.

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    (Germany) Unemployed Woman Told to Take Job As Prostitute

    A 25-year-old waitress who turned down a job providing "sexual services'' at a brothel in Berlin faces possible cuts to her unemployment benefit under laws introduced this year.

    Read more here..
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...-benefits.html

    I suppose you could say your job really sucks then!

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    Wow.
    This in particular caught my eye:
    "The government had considered making brothels an exception on moral grounds, but decided that it would be too difficult to distinguish them from bars."

    Really? Their government can't tell the difference between a bar and a brothel? Now I've never been to a bar, and definitely not a brothel. I've also never been Germany or any other part of Europe, but I'm pretty sure you don't go to bars to have sex there. Am I missing something here?

    On the other hand, I think that if the sex industry is what someone wants to go into, then they should be able to. Finding employees through subversive (I think that's the word I'm looking for) means and then punishing them for not accepting is not acceptable in my opinion.
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    So, so wrong

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    I wonder if they'd have tried this little stunt with a Muslim woman?

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    I vaguely recall a similarish case in the UK (unless I'm confusing it with something else) where a girl was told to take a job as a stripper "or else".

    It's another sign of society being deliberately degenerated and dehumanised by Frankfurt School Social Engineering and the moral sickness being imposed on us by the Plutocracy and Bureaucracy citing "modern European values" as an excuse.

    We crossed a line with regards to "tolerance", "open-mindedness" and "freedoms" long ago and this is the inevitable end result when anything goes and everything is allowed (which the rulers want to allow of course).

    We need a return to common sense values, order, discipline and strong leadership which benefits the majority, not fringe groups of freaks and minorities.

    What we don't need is this sick consumerist, I I I me me me "we love and tolerate everything" culture being pushed on us by the Media and the Social Engineers.
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    As the saying goes: we've become so open-minded that our brains have fallen out.


    But to be honest, the article is from 2005, and I've never heard of anyone being offered a job at a brothel by jobcenters.


    The Constitutional Court ruled already some years back that the new laws of HartzIV and the Social Law III (that allow the jobcenters to force people to take all offered jobs) are unconstitutional, because they infringe on very basic rights. Which isnt that surprising considering that Hartz is one of those hardcore capitalists who would love to reintroduce slavery in order to make even more profit. Politics refuse so far to correct those lawbooks, but there are meanwhile piles and piles of cases decided by courts which all ended in favor of the victims of blackmail by jobcenters.

    Besides, while prostitution may be legal, human trafficking is not.
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    Yes, the story is quite old, goes back to 2005. I've heard about it once before and did a bit of digging to find the original source, as I didn't recall reading about it in the German-speaking press (it most certainly would have caused an uproar, even by modern standards). The story has been reported to be likely a case of newspaper Chinese whispers, originally sensationalized by tabloids and passed from one news source to the next. Somewhere in the rewriting and translating process what was originally discussed as a hypothetical possibility has now been reported as a factual occurrence. See it uncovered here:

    (...) the origin of this story was evidently a 18 December 2004 article published in the Berlin newspaper Tageszeitung (also known as TAZ) which did not report that women in Germany must accept employment in brothels or face cuts in their unemployment benefits. (Although it claimed there had been “isolated cases” of such, it did not provide any source or documentation to back up that statement.)

    The Tageszeitung merely presented the concept of brothel employment as a technical possibility under current law; it did not provide any actual cases of women losing their benefits over this issue. The article also quoted representatives from employment agencies as saying that while it might be possible for employment agencies to offer jobs as prostitutes to “long-term unemployed” women, they (the agencies) could not require anyone to work in a brothel. (The agencies noted that brothels used “other recruitment channels” anyway.)

    As an example of how a hypothetical has been manipulated into a truth, consider the following paragraph from the Telegraph article cited above:

    Ulrich Kueperkoch wanted to open a brothel in Goerlitz, in former East Germany, but his local job centre withdrew his advertisement for 12 prostitutes, saying it would be impossible to find them.

    Mr Kueperkoch said that he was confident of demand for a brothel in the area and planned to take a claim for compensation to the highest court.

    Then note how this same issue was covered by the German news source Deutsche Welle:

    A brothel owner in the historic German town of Gvrlitz on the Polish border is preparing to open his establishment next month but faces a one last serious problem — he has no staff. Ulrich Kueperkoch’s adverts seeking “hostesses for erotic services” for his Golden 3 Privatclub have been rejected by Germany’s Federal Labor Office even though prostitution is legal in the country. The dispute with the labor office stems from its refusal to allow advertising for prostitutes in the network of job-placement agencies that it runs. A spokesperson said that the labor office has “decided not to be active in that market sector” due to its belief that such work could infringe on an individual’s rights if he or she is forced to take the job. Kueperkoch insists he would only employ those who were interested and not those who felt they had no other choice.
    Here is another article form 2005 where a German prostitute suggested that job centre advisers should "not shy away from offering jobs in the sex industry to the long-term unemployed". Such suggestions might have been misunderstood and interpreted as facts (also see the bolded paragraphs in particular):

    Molly Luft, who sold her famous Berlin brothel two months ago and now runs a bar in the city's lively Kreuzberg district, said the sex industry was always looking for new recruits.

    "Why shouldn't they send the unemployed to work in the sex industry? Before it was a grey zone, but now employees are insured and receive benefits," Ms Luft told Reuters.

    "People would no longer be unemployed and could earn themselves a living."

    (...) Registered brothel keepers also believe they have a right to seek new staff through job centres and have been scouring job seekers' databases for suitable matches.

    "I was always looking for workers over 30 years in the trade. People aren't willing to work very much but they expect to earn a lot of money," Ms Luft said.

    A spokesman for the Federal Labour Office said that if job seekers said they were prepared to work as, for example, dancers in strip bars, advisers could put them in touch with any suitable employers, but vacancies would not be displayed in job centres.

    He also stressed job centres would not look for prostitutes on behalf of brothels, nor offer sex industry jobs to people who had not specifically mentioned it as an area of interest.


    Speculation has grown over recent weeks that Germany's new welfare reforms, obliging the long-term unemployed to take any available job or risk losing their benefits, could lead to women being offered jobs in the sex industry.

    "One can't expect everyone to be prepared to work in the sex industry," Ms Luft said.

    "Plus if people aren't very attractive they aren't going to make much money."
    Generally, if one is unemployed, they should receive job listings that match their education, skills and experience, so the only instance I imagine someone would be receiving sex industry job suggestions is one where the job seeker in question had such history/skills displayed in their CV or specifically mentioned that they were open to working in such an environment. Also, AFAIK one is actually not forced to apply for a specific job suggestion if they believe it doesn't match their qualifications, though they must acknowledge this and motivate why. I myself have never heard of an actual case of someone receiving a sex industry job suggestion via their agency, but all is possible of course. The legalization of prostitution and registration of sex workers as regular employees with all the rights and benefits attached and brothels as regular businesses naturally sparked a debate on whether prostitution will be counted and offered as any other normal job. Might this become a possibility in future? Perhaps in isolated instances, particularly where one has worked in the sex industry in the past and is thus considered "capable" of doing such jobs, but making it a clear cut case of "work as a prostitute or lose your benefits" would not only cause a huge moral debate, but might even qualify as human trafficking/commercial sexual exploitation.

    The Bundessozialgericht actually ruled in 2009 that job agencies are not required by law to find sex workers for open positions in brothels. The court rejected the complaint of a brothel owner who had argued that the law of 2002 had turned sex work into a job like any other; the judges ruled that the law had been passed to protect the employees, not to further the business.

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