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    Thanks Aerternitas, I hadn't realised it was such an old story, and good to know it's BS.

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    Too hard to distinguish brothels from bars? Surely it would be easy to distinguish bar work from prostitution? Some idiots need sacking, and this unemployed IT professional should be given one of their jobs.

    EDIT: Oh, I should read the whole thread. Newspaper Chinese whispers.

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    I've heard of similar stories before. As it is now they can't force you to take a hooker's job, but it might happen in future. The more prostitution is normalized, the more it's likely that it will be treated as a normal profession. The job center officials say it themselves, "if there were a moral consensus that it was an acceptable position, they would be required to treat it as a "normal profession -- without any fussing or quibbling."

    Here's a more recent case: Job Center Apologizes for Offer in Bordello

    The woman was just 19 at the time. It could have been your daughter or sister. It's important to oppose such degeneracy and decadence.

    It's happened again: A German job center has tried to line up a position for a young woman in a brothel. The job was just serving drinks, but the issue has rekindled the debate about how far the government should go to get people back in the workforce.

    A German job center is calling it an "oversight," but the young woman in question isn't taking it lightly. A 19-year-old woman in the southern German city of Augsburg had been hunting for a job for months before the local, government-run job center contacted her about a potential position.

    According to a report in the local Augsburger Allgemeine newspaper, the woman received a letter from the job center on Saturday suggesting she apply for a service staff position at an establishment called the Colosseum. The precondition for working there is an "appropriate appearance," the letter said, and she would serve drinks for 42 hours each week, primarily at night and on weekends.

    There's just one problem: A web search for the Colosseum revealed the company's true nature. It's a brothel, a "nudist club" where one can "sex & relax (sic) on over 2,500 square meters" and encounter "girls with mega service and more." The brothel also offers a whirlpool bath and a bar -- just in case customers get thirsty.

    "I was absolutely outraged," the newspaper quoted the woman as saying. "My mother immediately screamed when she saw the letter." The trained housekeeper had been looking for a job since November -- but as a cleaner, she told the paper, and "not at the counter of some whorehouse."

    The job agency has apologized to the young woman, saying a mistake was made. A manager told the newspaper that the job agency has an internal policy of asking jobseekers in a screening interview whether they would be interested in jobs connected with the adult entertainment industry. In this case, they hadn't.

    However, the job agency does not provide listings for jobs as prostitutes.

    Women Can't Be Forced to Work in the Sex Industry

    The incident raises some interesting points in the country, which is regarded as progressive on sexual matters. In 2002, the country legalized prostitution, and two years later, Berlin introduced reforms in the unemployment laws aimed at slowly stripping away benefits for the jobless if they were unwilling to accept employment offers. The amendments also made it technically legal for job agencies to broker jobs in prostitution. Since these changes to the country's laws, those employed as sex workers have the same rights to a pension and health insurance as any other worker.

    At one point, a major debate erupted in the tabloid media over whether government-run job centers could force women into prostitution. In 2004, however, the job centers issued a voluntary regulation that women who refused job offers as prostitutes would not have their unemployment benefits curtailed.

    Nevertheless, there have been repeated incidents in which women have felt pressured. And, legal or not, the protests are likely to be loud whenever any kind of morally questionable offer is made.

    In a precedent-setting case on the matter, Germany's Federal Social Court ruled in 2009 that the country's constitution does not permit the "active promotion of prostitution through the exercise of official authority" -- a decision that provided legal backing to the job centers' position.

    The ruling came after the operator of two brothels -- both called Laura's Girls -- in Speyer and Karlsruhe sued after a job agency refused to post listings to fill positions for 12 prostitutes from Germany and the European Union.

    At the time, job center officials argued they would not do placements for prostitution "as long as there is no clear moral position on prostitution in Germany." However, they continued, if there were a moral consensus that it was an acceptable position, they would be required to treat it as a "normal profession -- without any fussing or quibbling."

    Until then, though, whenever it is suggested -- even accidentally -- that a person serve drinks in a red-light-district institution, scandal is likely to ensue.

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    Nah, they'll never push this one through because all the Muzzies would kick off

    The OP is from 2005 and even the 'more recent case' (above) was over 6 and a half years ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SaxonPagan View Post
    Nah, they'll never push this one through because all the Muzzies would kick off
    It has become quite apparent by now that there's one law for the Muslim, and one law for the Kafir.
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    As usual, some folks exaggerate and get their panties in a twist. The article from 2005 ain't even true, check what Aeternitas explained here: https://forums.skadi.net/threads/307...=1#post1149064

    It's a case of misunderstanding/mistranslation, nobody flat out said "be a hooker or lose your benefits". It was a question of debate put forward by tabloids and prissy folk, cause prostitution was legalized in Germany & shortly after there was an unemployment reform introduced that aimed to strip away benefits for folks who were unwilling to accept employment offers (which seems pretty reasonable to me, if you're capable of working, why be on welfare? Apart from exception cases like the disabled & co. ain't welfare supposed to be a temporary thing, for folks who got laid off, etc. and are actually looking for jobs?) So some of the more prissy folk started suggesting that if prostitution is viewed like a job, folks might be forced to accept being hookers or lose their benefits. But that ain't true and even job centers said nobody can be forced to work as a hooker if they don't want to.

    As for the other article, cmon. Did you actually read the whole text? The job was serving drinks, not being an actual prostitute, and it's not like it was forced on the chick either. Maybe the chick had experience as a server or bartender or some manual labor type of thing and they thought the job might be a fit for her.How would they know she was gonna be so prissy about it in advance? Maybe they didn't even know the place was a brothel, or maybe it was some combination of brothel & something else. And it's not like she was forced to take the job either, plus the job center apologized and called it an oversight.

    Folks should pay more attention and not spread false rumors around, you're only gonna create panic where there ain't even the case.

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    Yes I'm aware the job was serving drinks in a bordello, and yes I read the article thank you very much. The point is, it's still a bordello. So, it's sleazy. Or do you imagine that the clientele who go to such places are typically gentlemen who treat the women who work there like ladies with silk gloves? I doubt it! A 19 year old girl has every right to be "prissy" as you call it about it. She shouldn't be working in a bordello, either as a prostitute, or as a bar girl. She would most likely get constant passes from sleazy men and maybe even risk molestation from drunken ones. And what do you think "appropriate appearance" in a bordello where people go for "sex & relax" refers to?

    Unless someone worked as a prostitute before or is especially interested in working in the sex industry and stipulate it, they shouldn't get such job recommendations in the first place. And once more, there's no paranoia because this is what job center officials have said:

    At the time, job center officials argued they would not do placements for prostitution "as long as there is no clear moral position on prostitution in Germany." However, they continued, if there were a moral consensus that it was an acceptable position, they would be required to treat it as a "normal profession -- without any fussing or quibbling."
    If our moral decline continues, this is where the future is heading and it's not exactly unrealistic. If you told your great-grandmother that in a couple of generations there would be slut walks and gay parades, pedos and all sort of sexual deviants and exhibitionists marching for rights in broad daylight, she would probably also have told you that you're exaggerating and it's unfounded fears or "paranoia". Just because we're not religious anymore doesn't mean that we have to be so openminded that our brains fall out. Morals belong in atheist societies as well, it's not only "puritans" who oppose degeneracy. Rejecting promiscuity and slutty behavior has practical consequences for the health and continuity of the nation. The basic unit of the nation is the family and normal, healthy German couples should have children in a traditional family with gender roles. Whoring around with random people leads not only to wasting time and rendering people childless, but if children do result from such sexual encounters, it's usually not the best quality ones because prostitutes and their clients are often aliens or questionable people (socially and genetically). In a few decades, Germany might not even be predominantly German anymore. We need to reject liberal individualism and think what's good for the nation. For this we need a reawakening of the traditional family. Women's role is first and foremost to be mothers, not sluts who sell sex like it was some product anyone can buy.

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    If our moral decline continues, this is where the future is heading and it's not exactly unrealistic. If you told your great-grandmother that in a couple of generations there would be slut walks and gay parades, pedos and all sort of sexual deviants and exhibitionists marching for rights in broad daylight, she would probably also have told you that you're exaggerating and it's unfounded fears or "paranoia". Just because we're not religious anymore doesn't mean that we have to be so openminded that our brains fall out. Morals belong in atheist societies as well, it's not only "puritans" who oppose degeneracy. Rejecting promiscuity and slutty behavior has practical consequences for the health and continuity of the nation. The basic unit of the nation is the family and normal, healthy German couples should have children in a traditional family with gender roles. Whoring around with random people leads not only to wasting time and rendering people childless, but if children do result from such sexual encounters, it's usually not the best quality ones because prostitutes and their clients are often aliens or questionable people (socially and genetically). In a few decades, Germany might not even be predominantly German anymore. We need to reject liberal individualism and think what's good for the nation. For this we need a reawakening of the traditional family. Women's role is first and foremost to be mothers, not sluts who sell sex like it was some product anyone can buy.
    Yes, okay, we've got the point about morality, degeneracy and whatnot but Gefjon was just trying to calm the hysteria.

    A sensationalist headline: "Work As A Prostitute Or Risk Losing Benefits" gets printed and then, after exploding into righteous wrath, we discover it was essentially a false alarm.

    It's always best not to overreact, because if you'd just spent the past 14 years fretting about your daughter being forced to work in a brothel you'd have caused yourself a lot of stress over nothing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SaxonPagan View Post
    Yes, okay, we've got the point about morality, degeneracy and whatnot but Gefjon was just trying to calm the hysteria.
    What hysteria? The one back in 2012? Thank God we finally got that sorted out
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    I fail to see any "hysteria", people were merely noticing the cultural decline. Hysteria never solved matters by itself anyway, but identifying the strategies of those who want to destroy traditional society and the family unit and exposing them is a natural response. But then even mere hysteria is preferable to apathy and ignorance, which is the worst possible way that people can treat such things. Apathy is the top cause we are in this situation to begin with. You know the saying, being a little paranoid can sometimes be healthy, just in case they are out to get you. And it's pretty obvious that the decline of moral values is if not desirable then advantageous to our enemies.

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