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    Actually, yes. Germanic folks are native to North America. Iceland is a North American land, but it was discovered by Celts from the Faroe Islands, likewise which earlier became wholly Germanic. In the same fashion, Greenland and Newfoundland were settled as an expansion of Icelandic population, until the Eskimos and Indians committed genocide against them. When Denmark took Greenland and England took Newfoundland, it revived Germanic lebensraum, since all the Scandinavian lands were ruled by Cnut the Great of England at the time when Greenland and Vinland were settled. Iceland, like the Faroes, was settled earlier in the time of Alfred the Great.

    Italian navigators get too much credit, along with the focus of the world on Latin America as some kind of "happening" place. The truth is, that Latins owe their independence to Germanics, since America was the first to achieve it--admittedly, with the sagas as inspiration.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodskarl Dubhgall View Post
    Actually, yes. Germanic folks are native to North America. Iceland is a North American land, but it was discovered by Celts from the Faroe Islands, likewise which earlier became wholly Germanic. In the same fashion, Greenland and Newfoundland were settled as an expansion of Icelandic population, until the Eskimos and Indians committed genocide against them. When Denmark took Greenland and England took Newfoundland, it revived Germanic lebensraum, since all the Scandinavian lands were ruled by Cnut the Great of England at the time when Greenland and Vinland were settled. Iceland, like the Faroes, was settled earlier in the time of Alfred the Great.

    Italian navigators get too much credit, along with the focus of the world on Latin America as some kind of "happening" place. The truth is, that Latins owe their independence to Germanics, since America was the first to achieve it--admittedly, with the sagas as inspiration.
    I must take issue regarding your comment about Iceland. It is incorrect to state that Iceland is a "North American land". It is located in the Mid-Atlantic Ridge and thus partly in North America and partly in Europe and culturally it belongs only to Europe.

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    Iceland is closer to the North American Shelf then the European but is considered part of Europe for historical & cultural reasons. It was uninhabited when settled by the Norse/Celts. The Azores & Canary Islands are also considered part of Europe though the latter are much closer to Africa.

    As for the thread title, "Do Europeans Have Claim to North America?" the logical answer is YES! It is our's by conquest. Most of what we took from defeated tribes was land those tribes acquired by committing genocide against other tribes. The Cherokees depopulated much of what is the South & conducted a flourishing slave trade in American Indians who were shipped out via Charleston along the Eastern Seaboard of America & the Caribbean. There was the Beaver Wars in the which the Iroquois turned much of what is now the north central US into a hunting preserve. We gained North America through armed conquest which is how every territory was acquired by every nation. But we are losing it through a new type of conquest one based on political propositions & demographics.

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    Q & R descendants of Y-DNA haplogroup P have mutual claim to both Americas, whether the Pacific or Atlantic catchments. To simplify things, Alaska being the most obvious point of entry for Q from Siberia, should be an independent Amerindian reservation country and the rest the exclusive province of Indogermanics, being that they're all mostly R anyway. Since the Philippines is where P originated, it's also common sense that Hawaii should belong to Q & R. Just being fair.

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    I have had the experience to talk with Natives locally about Indian living when the "White" man came with their "warriors" and "won" the lands from various wars. Some tribes see the Scot-Irish as "excellent warriors" that fought bravely against them, but they had sorrows in losing their lands. I was surprised to hear various stories told in this manner by Midwestern tribes on the plains. They told me accounts that the Chinese or Japanese would have eventually ruled their lands if the "White" man had not made earlier claims. The Asians had a worse history of eradicating their own indigenous peoples under Mao and the Shogun periods. Some Indians also said many tribes fought terribly and were disorganized, so they could not develop a larger Army to protect their vast territories. A few older Natives warned me to not believe the media, but their lands are still under their ancestral "spirits." At heart, it is always their land regardless of the government in power. When I speak to them, I can almost hear our ancient ancestors speaking with a different understanding of life and working lands to survive. I thought I share some words spoken to me over hours of conversation from Elder tribesman discussing the conflict of living off and on the reservation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Æmeric View Post
    Iceland is closer to the North American Shelf then the European but is considered part of Europe for historical & cultural reasons. It was uninhabited when settled by the Norse/Celts. The Azores & Canary Islands are also considered part of Europe though the latter are much closer to Africa.

    As for the thread title, "Do Europeans Have Claim to North America?" the logical answer is YES! It is our's by conquest. Most of what we took from defeated tribes was land those tribes acquired by committing genocide against other tribes. The Cherokees depopulated much of what is the South & conducted a flourishing slave trade in American Indians who were shipped out via Charleston along the Eastern Seaboard of America & the Caribbean. There was the Beaver Wars in the which the Iroquois turned much of what is now the north central US into a hunting preserve. We gained North America through armed conquest which is how every territory was acquired by every nation. But we are losing it through a new type of conquest one based on political propositions & demographics.
    Why would I need to justify myself to indians? I don't need to justify myself to them anymore than I need to justify myself to my cat. Pretty much from the moment we set foot on this continent indians were a plague on white people.
    Their favorite hobby was "lets kidnap the teenage white girl". There was a reason we got rid of them and rightly so.

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