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    Re: Do Europeans have claim to North America?

    Well the evidence on the website about sanne's book sounded good, though it was coincidentally written by a Norwegian. I had heard the rumor several years ago by a friend so I was intrigued to come upon it again here, and posted it more as a lighthearted retort to the subthread of nordics vs meds. Columbus was also thought to have learned of Eiriksson's travels on his previous voyage north, via Iceland. btw travels to China were supposed to be already common by Marco Polo's day. But no, I do think pasta was a European/Italian invention, not copied from China (but perhaps the reverse?).

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    Post Re: Do Europeans have claim to North America?

    There could be a 'claim' based on racial superiority.

    If it could be shown that all non-Aryan migrations have only occured IN THE WAKE of Aryan forays.
    In other words, non-Aryans only left their own homelands when they were taken as slaves by the Aryans, or they came in as guest workers at the Aryan's behest, or else they took advantage of Aryan inventions such as the aeroplane.

    If that is so, then non-Aryans do not have any primary claims to colonised areas of the world [and the planets eventually]. Likewise, the Aryan, as the only genuinely colonising race has absolute right to colonise wherever and whenever he likes.

    Also, as healthy Aryan birth-rates must always be increasing [ideally], then colonisation must always be a necessity. Therefore Aryans must see to it that non-Aryan birth-rates are accordingly controlled.

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    Post Re: Do Europeans have claim to North America?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thiudans
    Well the evidence on the website about sanne's book sounded good, though it was coincidentally written by a Norwegian. I had heard the rumor several years ago by a friend so I was intrigued to come upon it again here, and posted it more as a lighthearted retort to the subthread of nordics vs meds. Columbus was also thought to have learned of Eiriksson's travels on his previous voyage north, via Iceland. btw travels to China were supposed to be already common by Marco Polo's day. But no, I do think pasta was a European/Italian invention, not copied from China (but perhaps the reverse?).

    -Thiudans
    The only realistic thing is that Columbus might have used some old maps (may they come from vikings or from anglo-saxons fishermen) in order to orientate in his trip.
    There are also rumours about Shakespeare being an Italian then, if we gotta pay attention to all the gossip that we can find in books and on the net.
    So we can make a deal, the Nordicist can have Culumbus and we can have Shakespeare?
    Travels to China were so common that all those traders/explorators before Marco Polo disappeared without a trace?
    He didn't just travel there but it also lived there as Qublay Khan's dignitary, it's anyway far different that to go there and buy some furs and spices and then come back home.

    "E tutti si scandalizzano quando sentono dire: quel tale tipo di mammifero o di uccello ormai è sparito dalla faccia della terra, non lo vedremo più; è una grave perdita. Certo, si tratta di gravissime perdite.
    Ma non sarebbe forse più grave se sparisse una comunità umana?? --Bruno Salvadori

    Seven pictures of northern European males and seven pictures of northern African males were presented randomly via a computer screen to 82 Italian female undergraduates of the University of Padua, Italy.
    Each picture depicted a full frontal face with a neutral facial expression. Participants were asked to classify each picture as either northern Italian or southern Italian.
    On average, the seven pictures depicting northern Europeans were classified as northern Italians 81% of the time. The seven pictures depicting northern Africans were classified as southern Italians 83%
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    Post Re: Do Europeans have claim to North America?

    The "American Indians" were there first, but did not claim the territory. Lacking imperialistic knowledge costed them, but if they did claim the land mostly likely would still be destroyed. Hail Vespucci for naming our former European colony which answers the question. Even today we should have the right to kick non-Europeans out, but action or thought was never brought about at that time

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    Post Re: Do Europeans have claim to North America?

    Quote Originally Posted by Artois Redneck
    Culpabilisation is only a tool for our common enemies to make us weak and without pride of what we are.
    I think that's an important point. At some level, the issue of who originally had the right to the land is not very relevant, since the fact is we are the ones who occupy it now - although we are in the process of being gradually displaced. I'd agree that what happened to the Natives wasn't particularly fair, but the past is past.

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    Post Re: Do Europeans have claim to North America?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moody Lawless
    There could be a 'claim' based on racial superiority.

    If it could be shown that all non-Aryan migrations have only occured IN THE WAKE of Aryan forays.
    In other words, non-Aryans only left their own homelands when they were taken as slaves by the Aryans, or they came in as guest workers at the Aryan's behest, or else they took advantage of Aryan inventions such as the aeroplane.

    If that is so, then non-Aryans do not have any primary claims to colonised areas of the world [and the planets eventually]. Likewise, the Aryan, as the only genuinely colonising race has absolute right to colonise wherever and whenever he likes.
    Well, it would probably be difficult to establish this. A prominent counter-example would be the conquest of the southern Mediterranean basin by the Arab Muslims in the 7th Century AD, which wasn't driven by an 'Aryan' migration etc. One can probably think of other examples of non-Aryans leaving their homelands without being pushed out or invited in by Aryans, e.g. the invasion of Europe by the Huns in the 5th century AD (apparently after they were pushed out of Mongolia by the Han Chinese).

    At a certain point, occupation of land does appear to come down to 'might makes right', regardless of the race that occupies it. Perhaps the issue of having a 'right' or 'claim' to land on some metaphysical level simply obscures this rather harsh underlying reality.

    Also, as healthy Aryan birth-rates must always be increasing [ideally], then colonisation must always be a necessity.
    At a certain point, this becomes ecologically unsustainable, unless civilization has the technology to support the colonization of other planets (which still seems a very long way off). Otherwise, it is necessary to stabilize the birthrate at a level that doesn't outstrip the Earth's 'carrying capacity.'

    Therefore Aryans must see to it that non-Aryan birth-rates are accordingly controlled.
    That would certainly be helpful, since right now they breed like rabbits. Perhaps we could spike their drinking water with something.

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    Post Re: Do Europeans have claim to North America?

    "Here first" is a moral claim all can recognise.

    I was thinking therefore of the claims made on the basis of being the "first" inhabitants of a land.
    Therefore my surmise is that the Aryan race by definition is that race which pushed outwards from its homeland in prehistory to occupy virgin continents.
    Only long after this did other races 'tag along', whether by will or its lack.

    There is something very haunting about the Aryan hypothesis that suggests this, with atavistic remnants of Aryanism in the Americas, China etc.,

    Of course recent movements of other peoples in the historical period, as you mention, have little bearing on what is a pre-historic surmise.

    I don't think that the colonisation of the other planets is a long way off in historical terms if we look at the rather short span of man's development compared with that of other creatures - we are still relatively in our infancy, and have much to do in the future.
    We must work towards a goal.

    I believe also that we MUST keep our birth-rates ABOVE replacement rates [they are are now below in many cases] and make adjustments with eugenics and euthanasia for our own and restrictment programmes for others.
    I don't see how else we can expect to survive in the long run.

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    Post Re: Do Europeans have claim to North America?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moody Lawless
    "Here first" is a moral claim all can recognise.

    I was thinking therefore of the claims made on the basis of being the "first" inhabitants of a land...

    There is something very haunting about the Aryan hypothesis that suggests this, with atavistic remnants of Aryanism in the Americas, China etc.,

    Of course recent movements of other peoples in the historical period, as you mention, have little bearing on what is a pre-historic surmise.
    It's certainly worth investigating, since the 'here first' claim to terra nullius (vacant land) has traditionally had legal as well as moral standing. A lot more work in archealogy might help to provide evidence to support this pre-historic hypothesis. (Eastern North America would be a good place to start, since prehistorical monuments such as e.g. 'America's Stonehenge' in New Hampshire appear far more consistent with European megalithic cultures than anything made by the Amerindians. One can also find interesting stone-carvings from Mesoamerica that depict bearded figures who clearly look more European than Amerindian.)

    Until we can establish a strong empirical case for this hypothesis, though, we are still effectively left with the somewhat less morally compelling 'might makes right' claim (given that treaties signed by the Amerinds did have an element of duress to them).

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    Post Re: Do Europeans have claim to North America?

    Thanks for taking the Aryan hypothesis seriously - I believe that much work was being done on it up until World War 2; since then it has become rather taboo.
    However, I believe that there is much to recommend the suggestion that the Aryans were the "Makers of Civilization" [Waddell].

    I don't think that Might is Right can properly be called a "moral" claim as it has no moral force, only brute force.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moody Lawless
    Thanks for taking the Aryan hypothesis seriously - I believe that much work was being done on it up until World War 2; since then it has become rather taboo.
    However, I believe that there is much to recommend the suggestion that the Aryans were the "Makers of Civilization" [Waddell].

    I don't think that Might is Right can properly be called a "moral" claim as it has no moral force, only brute force.
    This "Aryan"(Indo-Persian) - I will not be a party to this label or your ideas associated to it either. You want to help those in the lands west of the Ural mountains? Recognise a few things or lose the faith of many. I am not the only one who despises the label; it doesn't exactly have to do with WW2. Europe is a word that also is foreign; "Ereb", the same source as Arab and out of their language. I find it highly insulting that people choose foreign names to describe the tribes and nations of the lands west of Ural country. This is just like using the Abrahamic religions to define the people's thoughts and beliefs west of the Urals. This brings no more sense of self-love, but a feeling of foreign entanglements and dictation. You will not win the hearts of the majority following this course.
    Last edited by Moody; Wednesday, June 2nd, 2004 at 06:05 PM. Reason: removed uncivil elemements

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