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    Post Do Europeans have claim to North America?

    Let's get real. Our claim to North America is the claim of the gun. We have guns and the Indians did not. The claim is military force just as Isreal claims Occupied Palestine. I might add that there is some evidence that the Mongoloid Indians were not the first in the New World and that if this is true, they also took claim via force.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Solar Wolff
    Let's get real. Our claim to North America is the claim of the gun. We have guns and the Indians did not. The claim is military force just as Isreal claims Occupied Palestine. I might add that there is some evidence that the Mongoloid Indians were not the first in the New World and that if this is true, they also took claim via force.
    Did they?
    Or did they migrate into unihabited parts of the territory [assuming that the world's population was much smaller then]?
    Also, hunter-gatherers tend not to have the same static sense of 'territory' as agriculturalists.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MVSSOLINI MIT VNS
    The answer is yes, besides America was named after an Italian anyway. My statement is non explanitory but is showing that a European has bascially claimed it by giving it a name.
    Dude, it was Richard Amerike, a Welshman who's name is the source of America. Can you Medicists let it rest? Oh, and Columbus found Mesoamerica, not North America.

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    Post Re: Do Europeans have claim to North America?

    Uh, it was named for Amerigo Vespucci, the explorer from Firenze... This is common knowledge and is not "Medicist."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stríbog
    Uh, it was named for Amerigo Vespucci, the explorer from Firenze... This is common knowledge and is not "Medicist."
    I doubt it. There is actual proof that Amerike from Bristol was a seaman who took part in the colonisation process of North America. Amerike comes from ap Meryk, "of the Sea". Why is the most common slang version Amerika?

    Need we compromise? Amerigo for Latin America.

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    Post Re: Do Europeans have claim to North America?

    North America has more Italians and Italian cultural influence than South America, so I am not sure what you are talking about.

    Even in the "Amerike" legend of which you speak, he was not a sailor but a financier of shipping expeditions. The very expedition which supposedly gave his name to the continent was actually led by an Italian, Giovanni Caboto (John Cabot).

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Amerike
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    Heh, I read that already. I'm fine with Giovanni Cabot being the guy. I just don't think Columbus needs to have a national holiday in the USA nor do I care for Vespucci's parttaking in the whole affair. I think his part in this may be just as overblown as Amerike. I do not believe Vespucci deserves the hemisphere after him. That's some sick, sick esteem of a nobody. Men were referred by their last names, except kings. I believe that is enough to prove my point that his issue was a fraud.

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    Post Re: Do Europeans have claim to North America?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rodskarl Dubhgall
    Heh, I read that already. I'm fine with Giovanni Cabot being the guy. I just don't think Columbus needs to have a national holiday in the USA nor do I care for Vespucci's parttaking in the whole affair. I think his part in this may be just as overblown as Amerike. I do not believe Vespucci deserves the hemisphere after him. That's some sick, sick esteem of a nobody. Men were referred by their last names, except kings. I believe that is enough to prove my point that his issue was a fraud.
    Vespucci was the first to realize that America was not a part of Asia but a new land, i think he deserves some credit, at least for that.
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    Post Re: Do Europeans have claim to North America?

    Like I said, last names are what the men were known by.

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    Post Re: Do Europeans have claim to North America?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rodskarl Dubhgall
    Like I said, last names are what the men were known by.
    You mean like Galileo (Galilei) , Michelangelo (Buonarotti) , Raffaello (Sanzio), Leonardo (da Vinci) Giotto (di Bondone) etc?
    These are all first names

    "E tutti si scandalizzano quando sentono dire: quel tale tipo di mammifero o di uccello ormai è sparito dalla faccia della terra, non lo vedremo più; è una grave perdita. Certo, si tratta di gravissime perdite.
    Ma non sarebbe forse più grave se sparisse una comunità umana?? --Bruno Salvadori

    Seven pictures of northern European males and seven pictures of northern African males were presented randomly via a computer screen to 82 Italian female undergraduates of the University of Padua, Italy.
    Each picture depicted a full frontal face with a neutral facial expression. Participants were asked to classify each picture as either northern Italian or southern Italian.
    On average, the seven pictures depicting northern Europeans were classified as northern Italians 81% of the time. The seven pictures depicting northern Africans were classified as southern Italians 83%
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