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  • Permanent Authoritarianism implemented upon seizure of power to safeguard the ideals of Racialism

    11 19.30%
  • Permanent Authoritarianism implemented upon seizure of power for any reason (state reason)

    4 7.02%
  • Gradual implementation of an Authoritarian State to permit Social Engineering in order to create a loyal Racialist Society

    8 14.04%
  • An Authoritarian State to serve as a buffer State during a Racialist take over to be subsequently substituted by the gradual development of a Libertarian State retaining a Racialist outlook on Society.

    19 33.33%
  • A Libertarian State (state the characteristics of such a State)

    15 26.32%
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Thread: Authoritarianism or Libertarianism?

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    Post Authoritarianism or Libertarianism?

    Vote in this poll regarding the question of Statism in a Racialist Society. Expose your points in the thread and explain the reason for your choice preferably.

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    I went with the 4. down. I find that an authoritarian government is not needed after Europa has been cleaned. Start with racial authoritarian and then once that is finished, we can maybe afford liberty.
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    Post Authoritarian or Libetarian?

    Post whether you're authoritarian or libetarian.

    I'm Libetarian, obviously.
    All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream at night, in the dusky recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity. But the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act their dreams, with open eyes, to make it possible.

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    Depends on the issue. I'm authoritarian when it comes to certain economic aspects (not the economy as a whole); I want the State to outlaw selling land to foreigners, importing foreign workers, etc.
    On various other issues, I'm libertarian; citizens should be allowed to keep and bear arms (the best deterrent to crime and oppressive government), express their political opinion freely, etc

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    In the past we had similar polls as to whether a Folkish Racialist State should be Authoritarian or Libertarian (LIBERTARIAN KEN NOT LIBETARIAN). The position was a bit more defined as you should know no state of affairs is permanent, as someone said change is the only thing constant. I personally lean towards an Authoritarian approach for a positive development in all areas to be made in a Society which requires a radical revaluation of values in order to comply with any sort of Folkish Racialism/Nationalism.

    As time progresses and a positive root has been implanted in the midst of the people, the State would lessen its Authoritarian position and drift towards LIbertarianism on certain grounds. In other words, if there is to be a Folkish Revolution it must be headed by an Authoritarian Structure, Radical and Active on all fronts. The aim of this is the implanting of positive Folkish values amongst the people. This is of particular importance in Europe which is my main sphere of concern personally. MIght I say that this is only my temporal position on the matter, but frankly I have been holding it for a few years now, and I do not really see a Libertarian movement gaining any sort of positive and radical victory.

    Eventually I am not the type of person that commands people around on what to do.

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    Authoritarian.

    I believe that every human group produces that 5% who are destined to lead.
    A healthy Folk nutures these leading individuals and gives them the scope to make things happen.
    In return, the group gives its loyalty to such leaders who, so long as they act in the group's interest, will be able to rule with as much freedom as they need.

    I also think that only through
    Command, through
    Decision and through
    Will is anything
    Great created on this Earth.

    Only when a Caesar is given the reigns of State does the State do great things; only then are things changed and formed.

    The Leader is the Flower of the Race.

    The Aryan race has produced Great Leaders.
    It is the duty of the Aryan Race to Lead other races.

    As there is no equality, then the superior must have Authority over the Inferior.

    No Authority, no politics.

    Libertarians are the Enemy - they must be crushed by a Strong Leader.

    Why? - because they nullify POLITICS ITSELF!

    I voted the first one, even though 'authoritarianism' [like racialism iitself] has been made into a dirty word by the current ruling liberal elites.

    I believe that Authority is a fact of life; it even operates in a liberal society, but is there ashamed to speak its name.

    I prefer Authority to be Honest and speak straight.

    It is Honourable to lead from the front rather than pull strings from behind the scenes.

    Authority is 'open government' in that sense alone!

    There are dangers, of course, so mechanisms must be used to keep the Authority fresh and keen and healthy.
    Authority must have respect.

    What has Authority?
    The voice of the Race as it speaks through its best men and women.
    That is Authority.

    True, there is no 'pure' Authority, any more than there is 'pure' Freedom.
    However, politics should be the realm of Authority; let us use all we have learnt to make that Authority work for the Race and the Race only.

    And when we lack Authority, then too do we lack Race.
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    It's been my experience that white nationalists (at least those in America) have much in common with libertarians and paleoconservatives.

    We WN's are in agreement with libertarians and paleocons on several issues:

    1) The elimination of government in private/personal matters (i.e,, we all hate the Patriot Act)

    2) We hate Marxism and that watered-down version of communism called "socialism"

    3) We believe fully in the freedom of association

    4) We are fully opposed to America's interventionist foreign policies of the last 50+ years; we don't want our government to get tangled up in the affairs of other states.

    Libertarians have shown a tendency to be anti-political correctness, and the paleocons even more so. Both, however, stop at a certain point, and both groups never seem to address the Jewish question.

    For reference, some interesting libertarian sites are www.lewrockwell.com and www.antiwar.com. A paleoconservative site is www.amconmag.com.

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    Braveheart; "We WN's are in agreement with libertarians and paleocons on several issues:1) The elimination of government in private/personal matters (i.e,, we all hate the Patriot Act)"

    Moody; But where do you draw the line between public and private? - THAT is the question.
    If someone wants to marry someone of a different race, is that private?
    Or if someone wants to marry someone of the same sex - is that private?
    Also, I would say that what matters most is the NATURE of the State.
    A State dedicated to Racial Nationalism will interfere if necessary in those areas which are destructive to WN [such as immigration].

    Braveheart:"2) We hate Marxism and that watered-down version of communism called "socialism"
    3) We believe fully in the freedom of association"

    Moody; Again, there is a vagueness here; surely there must be some limits to freedom - or not?
    I agree generally with the anti-Leftist stance, but I also think that the so-called Libertarian Right [Conservatives etc., etc.,] have nothing to offer to those who want to preserve/enhance Europid race and culture. Their record in power proves that.

    Braveheart: 4) "We are fully opposed to America's interventionist foreign policies of the last 50+ years; we don't want our government to get tangled up in the affairs of other states.
    Libertarians have shown a tendency to be anti-political correctness, and the paleocons even more so. Both, however, stop at a certain point, and both groups never seem to address the Jewish question".

    Moody; There you have it; the Jewish question is fundamental, because all political-correctness springs from it. And while I agree with your view of International non-intervention, it is interesting to note that the USA's current interventionism [master-minded by Jewish neo-cons] is done in the name of 'Liberty'.

    So the fundamental flaw of this position is revealed in one term: it is Jew-friendly [I am not saying that you are, but by your own admission, the libertarian/conservative position is pro-Jewish].
    We cannot promote European racial/cultural Renaissance and Judaic Internationalism at the same time; indeed, I would say that both are mutual enemies.
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    I picked the first, mostly out of caution. Ok so we implement an authoritarian government which is for the most part dedicated to White/European preservation. We then come to a point where our people are fully "rehabilitated"...then what? It doesnt' mean that the "plague" won't strike again. So then we slowly move to a libertarian society then one day people start "respecting" other cultures and trying to implement these aspects of other culture into their own lives. Then we have "multiculturalism" all over again and not much can be done because we don't have strict authority anymore..we do not have absolutism. Of once European lands are restored we will obviously have a more "Free" society because we won't have as much to worry about. But it would still be for the most part perminantly authoritarian, I believe that is the only way to safeguard.

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    I agree with you; I do not think it wise to make any kind of 'libertarian' state on the back of Authority; liberalism=weakness.

    However, I do think we must be aware that even within the confines of an authoritarian Racial Nationalism, there may be an alternative cluster of valid standpoints.
    Indeed, this forum alone suggests that this is true [not that I think ALL standpoints on this forum are healthy].

    Therefore, those competing aspects WITHIN the body politic - providing that they are 100% loyal to Race and Nation - should be allowed the chance of accepting governance.

    I suppose I am suggesting that it is always inevitable that various factions will evolve due to the organic nature of the State, just as a family branches out into different houses. This is acceptable given the agforementioned strict criterion [no State should tolerate disloyal, alien or communist factions within it, for example].

    To that end, various Noble elements within the Racial State may lawfully compete for the 'crown', so to speak.
    A level of competition is necessary for health, anyway.
    Of course, any openings for civil war must be eliminated as far as possible - this is the art of statecraft.
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