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    The European Union: For or Against?

    A complete pdf file is available from :

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/

    It contains much talk of "preserving cultures" though i noted that "national identity" was lined through .All of it is quite irrelevent as it does not address the issue of alien non european settlement though it does find room to mention "gender prominence".It is a document of the dead - a suitably mealy mouthed tome for the generation of self serving civilised "humanitarians" who have turned europe into a levantine bantu fit only for parasites and the mentally challenged. Some "nationalists" will claim this is a threat to "national identity" and "national independence " in a legal sense correct but in a racial context irrelevent.

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    Post E.u

    Any thoughts from non-East-Central Europeans on the entrance of the countries into the EU on May 1st?...

    Have spent all day at work talking about this, would like to know your opinions?
    Let them hate as long as they fear.

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    Post United Europe - The Spiritual Prerequisite

    United Europe - The Spiritual Prerequisite
    Julius Evola


    The first political step in forging a united Europe would be the withdrawal of all European governments from the United Nations, a hypocritical organisation if there ever was.

    The ground for a European initiative must be carefully prepared; but the problems of concrete political tactics fall outside the scope of this essay. Here we can only point to what we believe must be the form and the spiritual and doctrinal basis of united Europe.

    'Federalist' and 'associative' solutions, economic and military co-operation— these are all the manifestation of presuppositions about the organic character of Europe (or the lack of it). The condition of a truly European entity must be the binding force of an idea and tradition with which Europe is irrevocably linked. Some argue that the nation state, being not divinely ordained but the creation of determined groups successfully rising to a historical challenge, is a model for the merging European nation. According to this view the spiritual precondition for a united Europe exists in the myth of a common destiny defended by the 'national revolutionary' groups of Europe. This view is inadequate. The birth of the European nations was largely the work of dynasties representing a tradition of loyalty to a particular crown. In any case, the factors which created the European nations have been the very ones which have maintained European disunity from the Hundred Years War to the present day.

    Among those who possess a spiritual and traditional understanding of Europe we can distinguish between those who believe in an Imperium of the kind referred to above, and those who talk of Europe as a nation. The concept of nationhood is in my opinion inappropriate. The notion of European unity is spiritual and supranational. Homeland, nation, ethnic group subsist at an essentially naturalistic 'physical' level. Europe (Europa una) should be something more than this. The old nationalisms and resentments are only grafted onto Europe when a particular national domination is imposed by one nation upon the rest of Europe. The European Imperium will belong to a higher order than the parts which compose it, and to be European should be conceived as being something qualitatively different from being Italian, Prussian, Basque, Finnish, Scottish or Hungarian, something which appeals to a different aspect of our character. A European nation implies the levelling and cancelling of all 'rival' nations in or beyond Europe.

    So far as 'European culture' is concerned it is these days the stamping-ground of the pragmatic European, the liberal, humanist intellectual. His 'European culture' is an appendage of 'democracy' and the 'Free World'. In this sense 'culture' is the stock-in-trade of the so-called 'aristocrat of thought', in reality the clothing of the parvenu, his badge of success. A genuine aristocracy of the intellect would not in any case be adequate for the task in hand; the re-animation of the European will and the sustaining of a revolutionary elite who could make this a political possibility. What is more, every time that we try to give the notion of 'European culture' concrete significance, we seem to run up against innumerable 'interpretations' which leave us with nothing conclusive at all. Everyone has their own idea about what European culture is and many Europeans feel reticent or even guilty about championing it and so the parvenus can speculate to their hearts' content in the reviews and colour supplements about all the latest developments in this or that field of art in such a way that 'culture' becomes entirely divorced from the 'serious world', from what matters. Ironically, much of what the defenders of culture admire plays a major role in helping to bring about a spiritual crisis and lack of confidence in European culture.

    The 'Westernisation' of the world has meant that this decomposition extends across the world—thus Europe, from illuminism to communism has become the breeding ground of the very forces which work to destroy everything which is specifically European.

    We must create a 'unity of fighters'. That is a pre-requisite. To set a vision of the world and of Europe aside as 'irrelevant' would be to sink into the morass of political partisan politics, a cynical affair without identity, without spiritual meaning. A united Europe, without a communal spiritual identity and sense of direction would become just one more power bloc. In what way would such a United States of Europe be spiritually distinct from the United States of America or China or be anything nobler than the organisation of African Unity? Europe must not be a stage towards the Westernisation of the world but a move against it, in fact a revolt against the modern world in favour of what is nobler, higher, more truly human.

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    Post Opinions about the EU

    I am interested to here what you Europeans think of the EU. Do you think it is promoting European interests and unity? Do you think it is beholden to special interests, the corportations, Jews, etc and is a threat to the sovereignity of nations?

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    Post AW: Opinions about the EU

    I accept avail of a supranational European Organisation. European economy has to work together to last against USA, China, Japan. Only if European economy speaks with one voice, it will be taken seriously by other economic world powers. I also approve combined armed forces, as a counterbalance to USA, which makes it possible for European countries, to act independent from NATO and America and to achieve common European interests.

    But I am against this EU, because as a German I will not accept, that my country is biggest net contributor without having biggest influence. It is a disgrace for me to see, that English and even French are working languages, but German as most spoken national language is not. I am against Brussels and its committees, which presume to decide about laws of its single members. It is insufferable that Brussels is ruled by men, who are appointed in backrooms and who have more power, than elected governments. It is a scandal, that European Court of Justice can govern, how much foreigners are allowed in Football leagues and whether women have right to serve in national armed forces or not. In my humble opinion European Court of Justice must not dictate its single members, which persons have a right to stay and which not.

    I support a Europe of single Fatherlands that can work together, but I am against this European Union.

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    Post Re: Opinions about the EU

    I think the United States of Europe will be in fact soon.

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    Mad Re: Opinions about the EU

    The EU is a fascist multicultural superstate which promotes miscegenation and the destruction of native national and ethnic cultures on the grounds of "diversity".

    It has done nothing to stem the the rising tide of non-Aryan immigration, both legal and illegal into its borders and the opening of it borders to the east will allow a flood of many more exotic creatures within our borders.[I am not referring to Slavs here but the oriental,gypsy and mongoloid peoples within their borders].
    Things can and will only get worse until the multi-headed hydra is slain.
    One should not confuse the Yockeyan and Evolian concept of "Imperium" with this tool of der ewige Jude.
    Do not consider that a European superstate is where it will end. Jewish global capitalism requires a single economic mass market with no racial or ethnic distinctions in order that it can manipulate and destroy us. Their goal is a single one world government.Mass trading blocks and superstates are mere stepping stones to this end.
    The EU is the biggest threat to the continued existence of the Aryan race. With its promotion of multiculturalism and race-mixing along with its determination to gag all attempts at Aryan resistance it should be considered our greatest enemy and no Aryan nationalist in my opinion should give it any kind of support never mind allegiance.
    Away with it I say!

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    Post AW: Re: Opinions about the EU

    This nice Flash-movie of the BNP sums it up pretty good:

    http://www.bnp.org.uk/images/movies/dadsarmy.swf
    Tolerance is a proof of distrust in one's own ideals. Friedrich Nietzsche


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    Post Re: AW: Re: Opinions about the EU

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyklop
    This nice Flash-movie of the BNP sums it up pretty good:

    http://www.bnp.org.uk/images/movies/dadsarmy.swf
    A bit childish, btw, the clip...

    My oppinion on the EU is that it will give the opportunity to many Europeans to modernise and to get to the desired levels of economical prosperity. Of course, I am speaking about the Eastern Europeans. I understand the fear of some Western Europeans: migration of the enterprises to the East..., but I do not share it. Imo, it proves a lack of knowledge concerning Eastern Europe. First of all, the Western European agricultors will gain of it, because in Eastern Europe, in many people agriculture is done like 100 years ago in Western Europe, so they will not be a match for the hyper-productive Western Europeans.

    In the same the trend of development will continue not very quickly and the Eastern Europeans, in 40 years from now on will really become an economical valuable part of Europe. Of course, this would means some enterprises move Easterwards, salaries to drop a bit...

    So, European Union is not necesarily a perfect thing, it has its advantages and disadvantages, like everything. Imo, there are more advantages than disadvantages.
    Last edited by Marius; Saturday, September 18th, 2004 at 08:02 PM.

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    Post Re: Opinions about the EU

    Τhe United States of Europe (+Russia) are only able to face the USA and other great states like China in the future.

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