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    National Socialism was a semi-revolutionary socialist movement. "Modern" (wannabe or contemporary) National Socialism is reactionary and unconcerned with the plight of the working class. "Neo"-Nazis talk about race, and sometimes they even advocate inbreeding and, as a result, produce retarded and dysgenic offspring. This is not disappointing. It confirms the fact that National Socialism really is dead. Dead and buried and finished and cold like Hitler's corpse in hell. If the desire too create a labor state at all costs is not anymore the prime directive of "modern" National Socialism, then Fascism has crept into the last crevice of Robert Ley's body to distort what once was almost noble and forward-looking, to turn it into a jack-off club for zoo fetishists who have no inkling to despise the evils of materialism that some of their idols were willing to lay down their lives for to crush. In the end, most Nazis were idiots, tools of the imperialist system, pawns of the kikes. The German version of National Socialism was the brainchild of an Austrian kitsch-artiste whose flowery ideals of fountains and village idiots undermined the progressive elements that were working to create something truly new and beneficial for the folk under the banner of this philosophy.

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    The National-Socialism is not a dogmatic ideology like bolshevism or communism - it is a organic life-art and an undogmatic ideology for the real folk-community with a pragmatic, true socialism.

    The NS is not dead, the NS is growing as a revolutionary attack against the capitalist system. Of course there are some SS-fans who only want the nice uniforms and don't think about socialism, yes.

    But remember Michael Kühnen ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by HC-9
    The NS is not dead, the NS is growing as a revolutionary attack against the capitalist system. Of course there are some SS-fans who only want the nice uniforms and don't think about socialism, yes.

    But remember Michael Kühnen ...
    I was referring to historical National Socialism (also known as Hitlerism) which, beyond any reasonable doubt, is dead as a doornail. Contemporary National Socialism (or even better, so as to distance itself from any unholy connections, Social Nationalism), if it wants to claim any kind of legitimacy, must divorce itself from the legacy of the Fuehrer and his despicable company. Historical National Socialism was not anti-capitalist. Big Business (Thyssen, IG Farben, etc.) fucked Hitler up the ass all throughout the Third Reich. How can one claim to be anti-capitalist and at the same time admire the oh-so-beautiful and stylish Mercedes-Benz ads of the 1930s? Michael Kuehnen was wrong for his unquestionable belief that Hitler's intentions were noble. They were not, and history has proven it. If you want to see the graves of National Socialism, check out some American (vomit!) pro-NS websites on the internet. Shudder. For what it is worth, the SS-uniforms are indeed the most beautiful uniforms ever designed.

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    I love this, indeed. What about the finance capitalists and other Wallstreet bankers/financeers who funded the Bolshevik Revolution? Jacob Schiff gave $20 million to Trotsky and Lenin, one of many examples of "collaberation among the two sides of the same coin." First off our ideology is not based on judaic materialism, nor is it in the middle for the struggle of the soul of the Jewish people. Second, these "NS capitalists" as you say broke away from the NYCE and NYSE, while the USSR commisars still had dealings with Wallstreet and New York, and the International Stock Exchanges. The contradictions are amazing, especially when you want to claim that the Third Alternative, and NS being one of its several manifestations, is "dead as a doornail." Some of the biggest finance capitalists, usurers, and speculators known in Western history financed the movement/s that you most likely advocate, all out of the pockets of shabbat goy and chosen ones who infest our financial and monetary institutions. At least these elements FOR THE MOST PART were purged from several nations when the governments representing the third alternative took power. I wasn't completely satisfied with them relieving Dr. Feder, but overall I think the fundamental principles of his economic-social theory were carried out. Anyways, your praise for Mordechai Levi or other prominent chosen ones is not really welcomed.
    "If a policy strengthens our people, if it increases the survivability of our people, it is a good policy. If it weakens us or puts us at a disadvantage in the struggle for survival, it is a bad policy. That's all that matters. That's all that we should consider. Racial survival, racial victory in the struggle for life and dominance, must be the goal of every plan, of every policy, of every thought and action. Tribal thinking."
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    At least the industrialists that forced Hitler to appease to their demands of the resignation of Feder FELL IN LINE with the state, and actually commited themselves to productive contribution and cooperation to the economic miracle. When you have a currency judged solely on its value of production, and your policies of domestic and national self-sufficiency are one of your biggest priorities, you think youre going to let a bunch of industrialist capitalists and lending houses/investors run wild?Thats the exact same thing that happened in Weimar, there was no way that was tolerable.

    Besides they had no way to profit indirectly because as stated international finance markets were basically eradicated within the nation, as well as the currency being turned non-convertable to prevent international speculation and swindling. It was all based on its value of production (usually takes a good deal of corruption and speculation manipulation for people that high up to profit, including their collaberation with the banks and international investors). Reichmark was returned to a medium of exchange, instead of the finance capitalist motive of it being a commodity in itself, very similar to the Marxist obsession with material collectivism and its sole existance for the appropriation of even more capital. Add all of that in with the industrialists being forced to commit to legitimate industry and economic practices regulated by the state, and you think there was any malpractice in that field? I seriously doubt it, and their rapid recovery backs that up.

    Like I said before, they were forced to resign and abrogate from the NYSE, NYCE, and all international stock and commodities exchanges, WHO THE HECK WAS GOING TO PROFIT IN A NATION THAT DIDNT TOLERATE SWINDLERS OF THE INTERNATIONAL SORT? Thats a complete contradiction to even state!

    You had 1/20 of 1% of of the population of Russia as Bolshevik and Marxist agitators, an extreme minority, and many of them Americanized Jews, being financed by the biggest finance houses in Europe and America - New York, Paris, London, and a few others. While in the USSR you had Lenin and Trotsky, aka Leon Davidovich Bronstein, Carl Radek Sobelson, Laz Kaganovich (atheist jew butcher of Ukraine) and some very lovely prominent Jewish commisar bosses still in contact with people like Jacob Schiff, Wallstreet bankers and financeers, and corporate outfits, receiving tens of millions in funding. They are both the same, relied totally on the foundations of "economic man" , to serve the interests of more accumulation, and not acknowledging sane and legitimate fruits of labor. Materialism at its finest to manipulate a populace, and feeling that class disruption and conflict is the only solution, as if to replace one tyrant with a proletariat version. And of course they had to murder an incalculable amount of European Christians to attain this.

    To be honest I don't even blame them for their cooperation and collaberation, they were all apart of the same Jewish family anyways. You can add finance capitalism in with the struggle for the soul of Jewry, along with international marxism and zionism, since its become a means in itself. The deadly twins, state socialism and finance capitalism, are both sides of the same coin. Both initially perverted by Jewish and Gentile theorists with delusional concepts of man existing exclusively for the sake of accumulation and distribution of capital. All centered around the directions during and after the Industrial Revolution, where man was intended to serve economic interests, instead of the other way around to suit our needs.

    Just a Judaic struggle over how to GET wealth, and accumulate it unethically without effort, instead of honestly earning it, much as Henry Ford used to say. I must admit though their form of NS is extremely outdated, and also they made it applicable by turning it into an eclectic ideology which encompassed quite a few things, ie Social Credit, Distributism, bit of Fascist state policies, and even legitimate and non-speculative Capitalist policies in terms of private enterprise. So something made applicable for 2005, and pertaining to the particular race/ethnicity/nation would be nice indeed. Whoo what a rant, but these types with their notions of perverted socialism really get me agitated. Although the Strassors were kind of cool, at least they denounced mordechai levi to an extent unlike these types.
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    "If a policy strengthens our people, if it increases the survivability of our people, it is a good policy. If it weakens us or puts us at a disadvantage in the struggle for survival, it is a bad policy. That's all that matters. That's all that we should consider. Racial survival, racial victory in the struggle for life and dominance, must be the goal of every plan, of every policy, of every thought and action. Tribal thinking."
    -WLP

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    Quote Originally Posted by SC-Mann
    the USSR commisars still had dealings with Wallstreet and New York, and the International Stock Exchanges.
    Would you care to provide some evidence for this bold assertion?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SC-Mann
    these types with their notions of perverted socialism really get me agitated.
    The type is the type that types the truth. One wonders indeed about your naive notions of Nazi Germany's benevolent rule in the heart of Western Europe. The successful economic policy of the Third Reich was in large part based on armament production which was shifted into high gear by the warmongering elite surrounding the silly mustached man. Why - o pray tell! - did Hitler decide to invade the Holy Land of the Rus if not to acquire the oil fields of the Caucasus and enough "Lebensraum" to bolster his magnanimous ideas of a "socialist" (haha!) revolution? The notion of socialist imperialism is a contradiction in itself. Hitler's quote that "National Socialism is not for export" clearly shows that he not once had any plans to foster equality in the lands that he "liberated" (conquered/colonized). It is impudent to suggest that Hitler and his chink buddy Himmler wanted to liberate the "oppressed" peoples of the Soviet Union. No such thing, sir! Stalingrad, thank the mighty Lords of Arya, was the victory of National Bolshevism over the imposter, the lie, the cancer! The destroyer of pan-Evropa was defeated. Nazi Germany was an aberration, a perversion of lofty ideals (e.g., the Black Front's). Its tenets were based on exploitation, not of Germany, but of the sacred lands of the East. Not the German people mattered in their peacetime bliss, but the burning cities of Dresden and Pforzheim bore the brunt of destruction let loose when enough cash and loot and slaves can be carried away in Tiger Tanks and steel-helmeted soldiers of European doom.

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    Heil Hitler!

    National Socialism is life!

    Sieg Heil!
    "I have reached these lands but newly
    From an ultimate dim Thule
    From a wild weird clime, that lieth, sublime,
    Out of SPACE — out of TIME
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    I'd suspect that the reason for the reactionary nature of modern NS is that it really is a fringe, and like all small fringes there is no real possibility to work on social issues like socialism. The extreme left shares the same problem, they too use most of their time and energy fighting for/against symbolic things like "racism", "gay rights" and "animal rights".

    Also, many of the NS on the net are really children, and it is unfair to demand that they should be aware of the Strasser brothers or National Syndicalism. Everything has to start somewhere.

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    Oh no doubt most "NS" online act extremely immature and dont understand it. I wished not to confuse defending the German manifestation of it with mine, there were several open parties all around the world that carry it , even to this day, although they are an extreme minority. The man obviously felt that form was not for export, although if you read the entire program written by Gottfried Feder you notice there was quite a bit of borrowing and incorporating of social and economic theory from several sources - the distributist school, primarily anti-speculation and anti-usury from hilaire belloc, alot of social credit theory by CH Douglas, even some authoritarian principles on regulating industry and finance with nationalization of all credit and currency lenders, etc. Basically taking the best from various corners. I also wanted to clarify that their form of the ideology was made applicable for them in that drastic situation, as other parties around the world applied it to theirs - for instance the Iranian NS, Syrian NS, Japanese NS, regardless that they are a tiny minority they are using the third alternative to represent their ideology.

    I never said that they intended on liberating your homeland either, no clue where you got that from, although I consider the fight against bolshevism as a crusade. Don't detract from the points stated, involving their economic policy. Its also known by any logical historian, both PC or revisionist, that the armaments increase did not start until the 4 year plan, a few years after the initial recovery happened. As for the judaic finance capitalist and bolshevik ties, you can look anywhere for that information, just google on the Warburg family or Jacob Schiff, both prominent bankers and international financeers, who financed Trotsky (Bronstein, Americanized Jew who lived in NY from 1914-1917) and Lenin. Schiff did give Trotsky and Lenin more than $15 mill. alone, not to mention the other atheist jews who had their pockets filled by western stock brokers and bankers. Financeers from both Europe and America, primarily NY, supported them individually, including atheist jewish commisars like Carl Radel Sobelson, and Laz Kaganovich, aka the butcher of ukraine who admitted to killing several million ukranian christians. Just google their names and see what you find, I refuse to do the work for a shabbat goy.

    A Case for Germany - Arthur Pillans Laurie (scroll down to the economics, labor section, agriculture, etc. of his book for specific info)
    http://www.wintersonnenwende.com/scr...any/cfg00.html


    1939 German Economic Policy by Willem Bauer, lecture given at the Amerika-Institut, Berlin, on August 11, 1938 http://www.faem.com/books/economic.htm

    Brief summary of Hitler's Economy by Dan P. Silverman (biased historian and from a biased source, no doubt, but substantiates what I said about rearmament not occuring until 4 years plan, and first initial years were a successful recovery due to other means, such as new social and labor plans enacted under a CAE - centrally admin. economy. Controlling the circulation and expansion of credit, most definitely borrowed from Social Credit theory.)
    http://constitutionalistnc.tripod.co...tist/id10.html

    We Owe It To The Fuhrer - 5 Years of Progess (propaganda brochure but gives an analysis of many of the achievements gained up to 1938, mostly in the areas of production, employment and labor, and economy.)
    http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/danken.htm

    I know its not the theories from the son of a rabbi, or an americanized jewish commisar, so please forgive me. But I am content with variations of it, considering its quite eclectic and has been adapted and made applicable to several groups around the world. This is 2005, not 1920, and I am in America, not the Fatherland. Applicability and adaptation, and modernizing is the key, i cannot stress how eclectic it is when you look beyond the history channel and lemming perspective. And btw as for the Strassors and what occured later on, that was a serious catastrophe in my opinion. Gottfried Feder was in the same boat with them and a few others more oriented towards the left in the social/economic view, and to see feder be forced to resign to appease some fatcats was a serious disappointment, as well as what was forced on Gregor and Otto. But no doubt those appeasers were kept in line, as well as the fundamental policies decreed by Feder when he was given authorization to write the program in its entirely, WERE SET IN STONE.
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    "If a policy strengthens our people, if it increases the survivability of our people, it is a good policy. If it weakens us or puts us at a disadvantage in the struggle for survival, it is a bad policy. That's all that matters. That's all that we should consider. Racial survival, racial victory in the struggle for life and dominance, must be the goal of every plan, of every policy, of every thought and action. Tribal thinking."
    -WLP

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