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    Post Why is French listed as a Germanic ethnicity?

    One *might* get away with calling Normans Germanic, but I very much doubt that someone from Languedoc or Bretagne would be considered Germanic by other Germanics or would regard themselves as such.

    France seems to derive more of its blood and culture from the Gauls than from the Franks. "Franco-Germanic" seems an attempt to patch together two meta-ethnicities with little common heritage and an often mutually hostile history, much like "Celto-Germanic." The reasons for these blendings seem invariably to be due to Americans who want to reconcile their mixed ancestry. I am no exception in this regard, but at least I acknowledge the implicit contradictions.
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    Post Re: Why is French listed as a Germanic ethnicity?

    *Crickets chirping*

    No takers?

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    Post Re: Why is French listed as a Germanic ethnicity?

    I assume you're speaking of the Germanic ethnicity's listed where it is Franco-Germanic=French/Norman. I assumed this was just referring to Norman separatist as seen in this website.

    http://perso.wanadoo.fr/unite.normande/

    In addition to Germanic Normans descended from Danes, there are ethnic Germans who live in the disputed territory of Alsace-Lorraine. Should they not refer to themselves as "Franco-Germanic"?

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    Post Re: Why is French listed as a Germanic ethnicity?

    Quote Originally Posted by Krampus
    In addition to Germanic Normans descended from Danes, there are ethnic Germans who live in the disputed territory of Alsace-Lorraine. Should they not refer to themselves as "Franco-Germanic"?
    They should only identify as "Franco-Germanic" if they actually have significant ancestry from both sides. How frequent was German-French intermarriage in the region?

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    Post Re: Why is French listed as a Germanic ethnicity?

    Stríbog
    How frequent was German-French intermarriage in the region?
    Honestly, I wouldn't have any idea. The area has had an effort to 'de-Germanize' the population both in WW1 and WW2 from French propaganda. The French have referred to it in their own words in describing Alsatians and Lorraines as Germans by ethnicity, but French by choice. Similar to Germany and areas bordering the Slavs.

    I could see "Franco-German" being used in the same context as someone would call himself, "Swiss-German".

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    Post Re: Why is French listed as a Germanic ethnicity?

    it's funny, many people in alsace have very long, guttural germanic sounding first names, and very smooth sounding french first names

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    Post Re: Why is French listed as a Germanic ethnicity?

    Quote Originally Posted by Stribog
    One *might* get away with calling Normans Germanic, but I very much doubt that someone from Languedoc or Bretagne would be considered Germanic by other Germanics or would regard themselves as such.

    France seems to derive more of its blood and culture from the Gauls than from the Franks.
    That's true, but it's the same with England, and of course many Bretons don't consider themselves French anyway.
    The population of Languedoc has traditionally spoken the Langue d'oc, as opposed to the northern Langue d'oil (which is a very Germanicised descendant of 'vulgar' Latin), so in a sense the southern French don't have that Frankish ethnicity.

    I think if one includes the English as Germanic then logically he should also include the French as such, although personally I regard neither of the two as truly Germanic.

    It's true that the English speak a Germanic language, but I think if 'vulgar' Latin had been dominant in late Roman Britain (as it was in late Roman Gaul) then the English would probably be speaking some sort of Germanicised Latin.

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    Post Re: Why is French listed as a Germanic ethnicity?

    im interested in the germanic origins of the northern french language (langue d'oeil is how it's spelled), i have taken 5 years of french and have never heard or read anything about a german element in french language. do you know a good book or a site where i can read more?

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    Post Re: Why is French listed as a Germanic ethnicity?

    Quote Originally Posted by yamato
    im interested in the germanic origins of the northern french language (langue d'oeil is how it's spelled),
    It can be spelt d'oil but with an umlaut over the 'i'; I don't know how to type one so I just left it out; but perhaps d'oeil is a more frequent spelling.

    i have taken 5 years of french and have never heard or read anything about a german element in french language. do you know a good book or a site where i can read more?
    There used to be an excellent website on the issue but I searched around and it does'nt seem to exist any more.

    Anyway, the site said that after the Frankish conquest of Gaul there was a long period of bilingualism until Latin (or Gallo-Romance) finally prevailed; but this Gallo-Romance had been very altered by Germanic pronunciation and vocabulary, and the structure also became somewhat Germanicised.

    I have also read that there are about 900 words of Germanic origin in French, and mediaeval French personal names are, as far as I can tell, almost entirely of Germanic origin (including the many names with the suffix 'bert'), except for the names associated with Christianity.

    I have found this from Wikipedia:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_language

    "The Franks
    From the third century on, Western Europe was invaded by Germanic (or "Barbarian") tribes from the east, and some of these groups settled in Gaul. For the history of the French language, the most important of these groups are the Franks (northern France), the Alemanni (German/French border), the Burgundians (the Rhone valley) and the Visigoths (the Aquitaine region and Spain). These Germanic-speaking groups had a profound effect on the Latin spoken in their respective regions, altering both the pronunciation and the syntax. They also introduced a number of new words: perhaps as much as 15% of modern French comes from Germanic words (including many terms and expressions associated with their social structure and military tactics)."

    If you do some google searches you will probably find more.

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    Post Re: Why is French listed as a Germanic ethnicity?

    French people is a mix of 3 ethnicity :
    - Celtik : mainly in the west ( briton) ( ancestors of the Gaul people)
    - Germanic : in the North ( ancestors of the Franks germanics tribes)
    - Latin : in the South.( ancestors of the Roman and Gallo-roman)

    im interested in the germanic origins of the northern french language (langue d'oeil is how it's spelled), i have taken 5 years of french and have never heard or read anything about a german element in french language. do you know a good book or a site where i can read more?
    Try also this ones :
    http://www.orbilat.com/Languages/French/French.html
    http://www.infoplease.com/ce6/society/A0858274.html

    http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acro...16/langue.html

    Even if Gaule was romanized and used to speak Latin and if french language was very influenced by the Latin, the germanic and Vicking invasion in the North influenced a little the french language and today you can find some similitud between french language and German language.
    http://membres.lycos.fr/histoiredefr...eWaffenSS2.jpg
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