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    I would like to know more about Syndicalism as it interests me as a possible system to adoperate. I made some searches but the top results where related to Anarcho-Syndicalism, therefore I thought it would have been a better idea to start a discussion here at the board. What do you know about Syndicalism, and what are the types of Syndicalism?

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    I don't know much about Syndicalism but I used to be an anarchist. I went from Objectivism/Libertarianism of Ayn Rand type, to what I referred to as Rational Anarchist to National Socialist.

    I'm willing to discuss ideas with you.

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    Basics of Anarcho-Syndicalism:

    http://anarchosyndicalism.org/theory/basico.htm

    Anarcho-Syndicalism by Rudolf Rocker (http://anarchosyndicalism.org/theory/asindex.htm) is long, but it'll give you the best idea of what Anarcho-Syndicalism is.

    There is no difference between Syndicalism and Anarcho-Syndicalism - AS is what it is known as in the modern world, Syndicalism was the major left-workers movement in the Latin countries of Europe (Italy, Spain, France) while Socialism was dominant as the left-workers movement in the Anglo-Germanic countries (and of course, the USSR). Marxist Socialism is a spent force, while Anarcho Syndicalism is taking over in its place.

    There's one major difference between Syndicalism and Socialism - Socialism wants to make the workers the ruling class of the state, while Syndicalism wants to abolish the state and replace it with an association of Syndicates (that is, trade unions). The workers own and run the factories and industries and trade products for products, on a sort of free trade basis - though there are "anarcho syndicalists" who want to run the economy on the basis of "from each according to his ability to each according to his needs", instead of, as I think most AS's want, "from each according to his ability to each according to his work".
    All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream at night, in the dusky recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity. But the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act their dreams, with open eyes, to make it possible.

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    This is from Anarch's first link:

    The Final Goal of Anarcho-Syndicalism

    Anarcho-syndicalism wants to transform society. It wants to abolish the capitalist system and the state. It believes that no one has the right to impose their will on others in order to rob and exploit their labor, and to maintain this system supported by an apparatus of organized violence and terror which is the state and its police system. There exists a large quantity of literature dedicated to a critique of the capitalist system, and we are not going to dwell much on this theme.

    In order to arrive at this transformation, the anarcho-union affirms that there exists no other means than the Social Revolution, an abrupt change by which the authoritarian structures are demolished. It is the end of a process and the beginning of something new. The revolution occurs when the people collectively see it as necessary, when the moral, ethical, philosophical and economic basis of the system is seen as bankrupt. It is not a predictable phenomenon, nor realized by a minority, but you prepare for it, then there comes a moment when it is possible, something breaks loose, and it happens. The role of the anarcho-union is to build upon the contradictions of the system, to make clear to the people the falsehood, the deception, the exploitation committed by a ruling minority, and to be present during the revolutionary process to incite it if possible, and to avoid on the side of the revolution the self-seeking benefit of minorities, vanguards, parties, etc., and on the other, when the counter-revolution comes, that the people lose as little as possible of what they gained. The revolution must abolish property, the state, governments, police, the army, universities, churches, banks, industries, the competitive and individualist mentality... and establish new structures and forms of life.

    The revolution is thought, liberty and desire in action. People who have lived through revolutionary times describe them as a festival of lights, sounds and joy. It is not a bath of blood and violence such as they show on television. The people stop in the street and talk, this happens always and is very important. They talk about everything, they talk with people of other languages and they understand them because they want to communicate with you. They talk about things that nobody before had ever said and that now comes out naturally, without effort. They accomplish things which days before would have been inconceivable... Whoever has seen such moments on any occasion will never forget them.

    The revolutionary act is an act of the people. It is realized by the existing people with all their defects. There has been a debate over the centuries whether the revolution could be brought about through normal beings, who are more or less as forceful, authoritarian, violent as is this sick society, or by people who are better formed and who carry within them the form of future behavior and have been changed by education and other methods. In general, although there are as many opinions in the anarcho-union as there are persons, the CNT holds the opinion that the revolution will be realized by the people as they are today, and that the way to form persons in liberty and responsibility is first to have a social transformation. That is to say that it is first necessary to change the social structure and the people will change afterward. It likewise happens that the revolution purifies people, at least until the time in which the counter-revolution comes, and the longer the revolution lasts, the better they become.

    In spite of this idea, the anarcho-union makes an effort to turn the union into a school of the people, transmitting through it by means of constant debate with other schools of thought, and foreshadowing the future society by creating here and now, a structure similar to that which we hope to substitute to authoritarian society, a new moral and ethical way of life.

    The capitalist state has taken on the responsibility over the decades, with the valued aid of the establishment unions and political parties, of inculcating us with the idea that revolution doesn't bring anything more than disasters, and that in our developed western civilizations, democracy is the only viable invention. The CNT is certain that the social revolution is the only worthwhile, sincere and realistic future for the human species, that the revolution is not the bloodbath depicted in films and history books. The revolution must be treated as a process that is gestating now, that will arrive, as it always arrives, and we should be prepared to meet it without fear, and add fuel to the blaze. Whether it will be provoked by a strike, by a military coup, by a crash in the stock market, by the refusal to pay taxes, by a capitalist war, by factory occupations, by an invasion of immigrants, is something that we can't know. That which is certain is that a large CNT, merged with the people, will be the revolution's best guarantee of triumph, and that what has happened in previous attempts, in which the state has reasserted itself and the same conditions in a different guise, does not happen again.

    The structure that society will take once the revolution is carried out, is that which the confederation calls, Communismo Libertario [Libertarian Communism], an economic system in which each person will take from society what they need, and will give in exchange what they are able.

    The CNT and the Spanish people had the opportunity of developing the most profound and beautiful revolution in human history, during the period of social war from 1936 to 1939. They put into practice the ideas which have been expressed above, and demonstrated that a free life and equality doesn't depend on anything more than free will. For capitalism it was necessary to wage a war of extermination, in order to destroy Utopia for the moment.
    What do you think of this? What is the major critique for this?

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    Originally posted by Anarch
    The workers own and run the factories and industries and trade products for products, on a sort of free trade basis
    Is this a sort of bartering system? From what I understand what you imply as Anarcho-Syndicalism involves the abolishment of Money? Is this correct? And if yes, what sort of system is introduced?

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    Anarcho-syndicalism wants to transform society. It wants to abolish the capitalist system and the state. It believes that no one has the right to impose their will on others in order to rob and exploit their labor, and to maintain this system supported by an apparatus of organized violence and terror which is the state and its police system.
    Anarcho-Syndicalism is a Revolutionary theory which espoused the radical transformation of Society through Social Revolution. The means to achieve the Revolution are debatable.

    I do not agree with abolishing the Capitalist system altogether but I do agree with introducing a more Socialist/Syndicalist approach to the way Industries are run throughout the Economy. The Working Class must receive a greater share of the productivity instead of the bulk of the revenue gained from production being transferred to the Capitalists. The Entrepreneurs must be transformed into Managers and Directors receiving an appropriate salary according to their merits. Profits must be shared by all Employees of a Corporation, and this also applies to Losses.


    In order to arrive at this transformation, the anarcho-union affirms that there exists no other means than the Social Revolution, an abrupt change by which the authoritarian structures are demolished. It is the end of a process and the beginning of something new. The revolution occurs when the people collectively see it as necessary, when the moral, ethical, philosophical and economic basis of the system is seen as bankrupt. It is not a predictable phenomenon, nor realized by a minority, but you prepare for it, then there comes a moment when it is possible, something breaks loose, and it happens. The role of the anarcho-union is to build upon the contradictions of the system, to make clear to the people the falsehood, the deception, the exploitation committed by a ruling minority, and to be present during the revolutionary process to incite it if possible, and to avoid on the side of the revolution the self-seeking benefit of minorities, vanguards, parties, etc., and on the other, when the counter-revolution comes, that the people lose as little as possible of what they gained. The revolution must abolish property, the state, governments, police, the army, universities, churches, banks, industries, the competitive and individualist mentality... and establish new structures and forms of life.
    No to the abolishment of the components of Society mentioned above unless they are of detriment to the Racial Folk. Private Property must be mantained, this encourages the Folk to work, the furthest Socialism can go is to increase the amount of Property the Labour Force gains through Economic Production, that is redistribution from the hands of the Capitalists to the hands of the Working Class.


    In spite of this idea, the anarcho-union makes an effort to turn the union into a school of the people, transmitting through it by means of constant debate with other schools of thought, and foreshadowing the future society by creating here and now, a structure similar to that which we hope to substitute to authoritarian society, a new moral and ethical way of life.
    This does sound like a good idea, even though doing away with an Authoritarian System altogether could lead to Liberalism with all the defects as highlighted by Racialists. Victory lies in Revolution, Revolution may be brought about by Libertarian forces but it must be strengthened by Authoritarian forces and then possibly returned to a more Libertarian approach after successful Social Revolution/Engineering.

    The structure that society will take once the revolution is carried out, is that which the confederation calls, Communismo Libertario [Libertarian Communism], an economic system in which each person will take from society what they need, and will give in exchange what they are able.
    The Communist maxim "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs" is total bull****, excluding cases when one is unable to provide his needs due to forces he cannot control.

    This destroys any sense of merit and pride in one's laborious activities. Moreover it does not realistically promote further specialisation of the Working Force to gain more competence and subsequently better Working Conditions. I find that Communist maxim tantamount to stagnation. "From each according to his ability, to each according to his work" sounds much better.

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    Originally posted by cosmocreator
    I don't know much about Syndicalism but I used to be an anarchist. I went from Objectivism/Libertarianism of Ayn Rand type, to what I referred to as Rational Anarchist to National Socialist.

    I'm willing to discuss ideas with you.
    Please go ahead and discuss them, if you want to discuss them in private my contact details are in my profile.

    Personally I went from the totally brainwashed kid who went along the mainstream thoughts, to the Nationalist, National Socialist, and now here I am still exploring.

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