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    An inverse square is 1/(d^2) or (d^-2). (d^-.5) is an inverse square root.

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    Originally posted by Fionn mac Cumhaill
    An inverse square is 1/(d^2) or (d^-2). (d^-.5) is an inverse square root.
    Sorry, that was a typo.

    In any case, you must see that (1/2)^d=(1/2)^9 [i.e., d=9] is not an inverse square decay, but rather it is an exponential, or geometric decay. The only thing related to the number two is the decay factor, 1/2. Something is inverse sqaure if -2 is in the exponent, and something is a geometric or exponential decay if the variable is in the exponent.

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    Originally posted by Von Braun
    Fionn, if anything can be "known" in the area of history, it is an occupation that lasted almost eight hundred years in early modern times on the Iberian penninsula.
    yes and it ended in a ethnic cleancing .

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    Triskel, I do not question that the Spanish Inquisition resulted in some ethnic cleansing. However, how thorough could it possibly have been?

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    Originally posted by Von Braun
    Triskel, I do not question that the Spanish Inquisition resulted in some ethnic cleansing. However, how thorough could it possibly have been?
    thorough enough.. or do you seriously belive that a mongrelized population could go on and conquer an empire only surpased by the British? it lasted until the end of the1800.. this is evidence enough.. acc to kemp whom I spoke to.. Spain has.. he estimates ardound 15% people with some kind of non white admixture.. off course i belive its much less.. anyway.. look around in the world.. wich nations are socially advanced and welfare states ? Canada, USA, Europe and the best in SA is Argentina for example.. and Japan in Asia.. I think this speaks volumes.. dont you think...

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    Post Re: The accuracy of Coon,Gunther etc

    Originally posted by Scathach

    It appears to me (maybe im cynical lol) that the views and works created by Gunther,Coon and Beddoe etc are more than accurate,valid and interesting BUT that people like the communists and non whites dont approve of them so thus thats why theyre held up as pointless and discredited?

    I would appreciate anyone's views on this.
    That's exactly the point. Günther is ignored and forgotten, but in almost every "academic", "scientific" history "study" of the last 30 years, where his name appears somewhere, he is the "pseudo-scientist" (that's the pet term), the "charlatan", the one who has "racial phantasies", the "bizarre" nordic "sectarian" and so on.

    Take for example what George L. Mosse writes in his book "Towards the Final Solution. A History of European Racism" in a paragraph about Günther - Mosse's book is mostly seen as the "academic" standard "study" about "racism" in the late 19th and early 20th century:

    The situation after WW1 promoted the creation and expansion of racist theories. Also Germany, that became to the centre of racist activities because of the war and the revolution, produced much-read racist handbooks. For example L. Clauß thought in his book "Die Nordische Seele" (The Nordic Soul) (1930) that regardless of the outwards appearance of the Aryans, the soul that was created by nordic blood was the source of all creativity. This "idealistic heresy" was attacked by H. F. K. Günther, the distinguished author of popular books about race in post-WW1 Germany, in his book "Rassenkunde des deutschen Volkes" (Anthropology of Germany) (1922). Here he defined and illustrated once more the racial stereotype of the beautiful Aryan and the ugly Jew. But still, with the assertion, that there were no types of pure racde, but only less perfect, less pure, Günther tried to keep some connections with scientific observation. Nevertheless all Aryans had in some way one common "ideal typus" and the Jews the predominating characteristics of their race.

    (Back-translated from the German edition of Mosse's book by me.)

    That's all so complete junk what Mosse writes here... I really don't know: Is he just stupid or does he write completely wrong things from intention? I think he just looked for five minutes in the here mentioned books of Clauß and Günther and perhaps read a few lines, and on base of that he made his oh so "intellectual" "standard"-"study".

    Clauß wrote excellent books about race and psyche but what Mosse sais about the contents of his book "Die Nordische Seele" and Clauß' ideas about the racial soul is complete foolish. And just as Günther, Clauß never used the term "Aryans" because he knew that it is problematic from a scientific standpoint. Clauß' ideas build on Günther and there is no contrast between Günther and Clauß. And it's a bit strange how Günther can attack in a book of 1922 a Clauß book from 1930.

    Complete junk is Mosse's suggestion that the main contents of Günther's "Rassenkunde" is a contrast of "beautiful Aryans" and "ugly Jews". Günther's books deal only little with Jews. In the first edition of the "Rassenkunde" there was a small chapter about Jews, but it was excluded later, because Günther wrote an own book: "Anthropology of the Jewish People".
    Günther didn't use the term "Aryans" for races. Perhaps Mosse just looked the pictures in the first edition and there are many photos of normal looking or even ugly Nordics. If Mosse sees there a contrast between "beautiful Aryans" and "ugly Jews", it's his problem.

    I read Günther's books about the anthropology of the old Germanics and of the Indo-Europeans in Asia, I also read the books he wrote about the old Greeks and Romans in the 60s, the best anthropology of these ancient people in my opinion.
    What Günther writes is always based on facts that are taken from old sources (art, litterature) or archeological relics, and I never saw anywhere in all today "academic" "studies" about "racism" one chapter where someone could show that all these facts were wrong. I even never saw that someone tried to deal with the facts in the book. Just noting that Günther has "phantasies" is enough proof of these "phantasies" in today's "studies".

    It's just the point that the today oh so "intellectual" "anti-racist" "scientists" with their "neutral view", who are in the colleges are the true pseudo-scientists. Whenever racialists try to argue with them or to deal with their "argumentation", it's necessary not to adopt this "argumentation", but to detect it as what it is.

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    thanks for your post Thorulf
    it seems that all these ''anti racist'' writers and anthropologists merely decided gunther etc were 'big mean nazi racists' and without bothering to read their work based their decisions on that.typical eyes:

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