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    Post Re: White Muslim

    Quote Originally Posted by lg
    Try reading the individual stories of how white people came to Islam vs individual stories of how white people came to "White Nationalism." There are similarities: both report feeling a void in their lives, both report wanting to belong to some greater cause, both report being unsatisfied with the status quo, many have found their ideology through a friend or lover. However the Muslim converts are much more thoughtful on average, and spent much more time in research, meditation on the facts and ideas.
    It's interesting you should mention that actually. Are you familiar with Adam Gadahn's story? (he is the jewish guy from Cali. that converted to Islam...that tape that surfaced a few weeks ago that featured a masked man, supposedly an American, saying all the standard stuff; e.g. "Death to America", "America's streets will run red with blood", etc. etc., that was him). This Gadahn did not spend time contemplating the Muslim religion, he was just desperate to belong and fell in with some Southern California Mosque crowd some time in the 90s, one thing led to another, and now he's is Pakistan or somewhere as a member of Al-Qaeda.

    The thing about Gadahn is, people who knew him as a teenager say that he was a normal guy, a little shy, liked music, nothing out of the ordinary, you know...then he became a Muslim, and look where he is now! broadcasting propaganda for Osama bin laden.

    And Gadahn isn't alone by any means, Muslim-converts are very prone to being extremists and criminals of various sorts, moreso than converts to Christianity, that's for sure. Moreso than converts to any other faith or ideology

    The difference between "white nationalism" and Islam is that white nationalism attracts extremists, criminals, and other lowlives, whereas Islam turns people into extremists and criminals, people who were 'normal' before they converted...of course, Islam doesn't always turn people into fanatics, criminals, or jihadis to be sure.. but it does do it often enough that we can justifiably condemn the Islamic religion, at least in its current form.

    Islam is a menace and a threat to the entire non-Muslim world (not just the West), and the Islamic system wants to make slaves of everyone, bring them under Sharia, destroy any and all things non-Muslim, and so on... So, Muslim-converts might be more thoughtful, but ultimately they are throwing that thoughtfullness away by joining the Islamic faith.

    Quote Originally Posted by lg
    I never became a White Nationalist because nothing of it ever appealed to me. I never intended even for a second of my life to join a so-called pro-white organization like Aryan Nations, NSM, the Klan, National Alliance, Creativity, Christian Identity. Those groups are comprised of mental midgets who use their skin color association with great culture bearers to claim their own superiority, usually in an attempt to mask their personal failures as individuals and the deep inferiority complex 50+ years of anti-white propaganda has given them.
    Those organizations hurt their own cause more than all the 'anti-white propaganda' in the world. People should strive for a "Norman-Rockwellesque" America (that is, the America that is depicted in his paintings), not some pseudo-fascist rabidly-racist cartoon version of America

    Quote Originally Posted by lg
    If you want a "white racist = automatically great person" type statement from me, forget it. I'm on the side of reason, logic, respect, moderation, maturity. Until I can find those things within "the Movement" I'll be hanging my hat elsewhere.
    You seem like an intelligent and thoughtful individual, and everything you said makes sense, the only think I can't figure out is why you would want to associate yourself with Islam...

    Yes, I am anti-Muslim. It is not out of some kind of childish bigotry that I am anti-muslim, but rather because of many things, the biggest influence being conversations I've had with Muslim friends of mine. But I won't bore you with the details
    hail Arminius

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    Post Re: White Muslim

    Quote Originally Posted by lg
    The only viable options are to 1.revive the spirituality and values of the past, 2.reinvent new ways of thinking, or 3.accept other faiths and ways of life. Any spirituality or personal identity is better than being emotionally attached to your SUV, Britney, Coca-Cola and Monday Night Football, even if that spirituality or personal identity comes from outside the European race.

    Until options 1. and 2. become ready, option 3. is all spiritually seeking people have. The fact that preservationists are still debating irrelevant bullshit from 70+ years ago tells me those first two options are a long way off, so these few thousand white Muslim "traitors" you'll just have to put up with in the meantime.
    The only point where I agree with you is the point that materialism is out of control in todays society.

    In what way are options 1. and 2. impossible? In what way is it impossible to be Pagan or Pre-Vatican II Catholic today? Are you trying to make us believe that all Pagans "debate irrelevant bullshit from 70+ years ago"?

    I am a Pagan, and I prefer the religion that was designed for, and developed by, my ancestors over your religion any day. Your religion was developed by people who had so much self-control that they married children and needs the hijab in order not to rape women. Your religion, like all Semite religions, is originally a slave-religion, designed for people who needed commandments, punishments and rewards in order to behave like decent men. My ancestors did not need this, and you will not find much of that in their religions either.

    You try to tell us that Muslim converts are intelligent and searching, and better than WN:s in all ways. I answer you that they are ethnomasochists, and that they lack the will to life and the will to power. They latch on to another religion, becoming hangers-on for another race (the Arab race). Is that really something to admire? The WN:s that you dislike so much at least have good instincts; loyalty, pride, love for their own, and will to fight. They are healthy, natural and sons of the soil. Your converts are nothing of that.

    And how come you are so unfair in your comparison of WN:s and White Muslims. It's not like you compare the elite of Skadi with the best Muslim converts, or the more childish posters of other racialist foras with drug-addict Hiphop-Muslims or criminal degenerates. No, you compare the "best" converts to Islam with the "worst" racists. I find that a little dishonest.

    Besides, I see nothing of value, or related, to Germanic preservation in conversion to Islam. There are acute geopolitical reasons not to adopt Islam as well (at a point in time when we are being invaded by Muslims), but I have described them repeatedly before.
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    Post AW: Re: White Muslim

    Good post, Oskorei. On top of that, European heathenism is dynamic as opposed to the dogmatic nature of Semitic religions. It evolved and still evolves with the people.
    "slavic" languages are absolutely arteficial (Read "slawenlegende"). The "glagolica", invented by a bunch of monks, is nothing but an ancient esperanto, creating new words, definitions and alphabet out of regional slangs.

    The craddle of European Civilization comes from the North. All blond people originate from the north. So if you see a blond-blue eyed Slovene, Russian, Czech, Polak ect., you can be 100% sure that his ancient ancestors originated from "Germanics" (Germanic = Nordic).
    "slovenja" was the settelment of the Langobards = Germanics/Teutons. "Poland" of the Goths and East-Vandals ect. ect. What do "slavs" tell us about their origin?
    Some silly story that they originate from some swamps in the east and popped out of no where into history.

    So you see my dear "Gorostan" [=Triglav], you are in reality a "Germanic" indoctrinated with panslav propaganda and historic fantasy stories. ~Dr. Brandt, former TNP and Skadi member

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    Post Re: White Muslim

    Are you thinking of Asatro?

    Catholicism has actually also a cultural aspect that is quite foreign for many of the northern European countries. Ireland is an exception. It might have brought a strong sense of pride and closeness, but also a lot of suffering, especially for the younger generation. That can definitely hinder progress.

    The degrading view of women in the Catholic world is not so different from the Near Eastern monotheistic religions, which are an expression of the temperament and culture of the folk.

    Children are raised in their religion the same way they are raised into their culture. Religion to me is part of culture, and I feel that I can learn as much from a philosophy book as I can from a book that is called divine. Religion would not have such a strong effect if it was not part of our culture. Wisdom that is passed on can lose its relevance depending on the time and place. Culture is part of man, and man is part of nature.

    Mohammed's teaching that God forbids more than 4 wifes was good for the Arab heathens who maybe took 30 wifes. It was a common practise to steal wifes among the pre-Islamic Bedouin tribes.

    It has nothing to do with the western civilisation. Islam was suitable for the people that Mohammed addressed.




    Quote Originally Posted by Oskorei
    I am a Pagan, and I prefer the religion that was designed for, and developed by, my ancestors over your religion any day.

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    Post Re: White Muslim

    [QUOTE=lg]He comes off as average to above average intelligence and as the article says "nice." Converts are ordinary white Americans. They are the seeker types who question everything. They aren't fanatical anti-racialist multiculturalists hell-bent (or Allah-bent, in this case) on destroying the West. They are spiritual people lost in a soulless, oversexualized, degenerate society who usually have looked for a faith for years. They are people who are dissatisfied with the weakened Christian churches which hypocritically allow gays to marry, cover up for pedophiles and allow women to become preachers.
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    Where on earth do you live, and how tight are the immigration laws?






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    Post Re: White Muslim

    lg-
    He comes off as average to above average intelligence and as the article says "nice." Converts are ordinary white Americans. They are the seeker types who question everything. They aren't fanatical anti-racialist multiculturalists hell-bent (or Allah-bent, in this case) on destroying the West. They are spiritual people lost in a soulless, oversexualized, degenerate society who usually have looked for a faith for years.
    This doesn't sound like a "nice" guy to me, but a stalker-loser.

    His girlfriend was obsessed with the band Danzig (a band member pulled a gun on them when they broke into the grounds of his Hollywood house), and he, in turn, was obsessed with the spiky, aging lead singer of Siouxsie and the Banshees. He waited for Siouxsie outside her hotel when she played in L.A., asked her to autograph T-shirts and pose for photographs, and would stand in the front at her concerts so he could grab her leg onstage (she let him). One night, hanging around in the lobby of her hotel, he asked if she would pose for yet another photograph, and Siouxsie decided she’d had enough. "You have one minute," she answered in an icy voice. That was the last time he saw her.
    This is not normal behaviour.

    Vincent’s version of the story is that he and a friend from Las Vegas, Joey, saw a girl vomiting on the sidewalk outside the club. She was tiny, and she kept vomiting and vomiting, and they couldn’t believe how much was coming out of her. Joey had a camera, and they decided to take a picture. When the flash went off, the girl’s boyfriend looked up and said, "You think that’s funny?" "Yeah, it’s funny," Vincent replied. They got into a shouting match, and suddenly the boyfriend was standing in front of him, ready to fight.
    Again, this man is not nice, nor is he normal.

    They are people who are dissatisfied with the weakened Christian churches which hypocritically allow gays to marry, cover up for pedophiles and allow women to become preachers.
    Yes, and Islam is an even worse alternative. This guy was shallow and empty prior to his conversion, he's the same guy as before.

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    Post Re: White Muslim

    Obviously there is something wrong with the guy. There is something wrong with any white American who would convert to Islam. Another John Walker Linn in the making.

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    Post Re: White Muslim

    Quote Originally Posted by Odin Biggles
    Prat.

    Not only has he converted to a religion far and away from who he is, hes encouraging others to do so to.

    Of course its up to the individual, but i wouldnt call converting to Islam a peaceful and truthful thing to do, when its religion that creates division.
    So how can you label someone by his skin color and ascert that a religion does not pertain to that individual? Hypocracy, really. If that's the case, Christianity is far from who Europeans are, aside from the fact that it is who they are simply because they've adopted it amongst other foreign influences.

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    Post Re: White Muslim

    Quote Originally Posted by Razmig
    So how can you label someone by his skin color and ascert that a religion does not pertain to that individual? Hypocracy, really. If that's the case, Christianity is far from who Europeans are, aside from the fact that it is who they are simply because they've adopted it amongst other foreign influences.
    Hardly anyone in (Western) Europe cares for religion anymore nowadays. Chrisitianity had evolved into something European; the style of architecture, of all the churches, monasteries etc. surely weren't in "oriental" style. Jesus Christ was also depicted as a European man.

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    Post Re: White Muslim

    Americans, searching for identity... any identity...

    Ridiculous... why should a muslim wear 'generic middle-eastern' clothes.
    Europe has a large population of muslims, who manage to be both religious, and to wear normal clothes, act like normal people. But, not an American searching for identity...
    he simply HAS to wear a certain type of clothes, have a certain beard, walk in a certain way... let's face it, the essence of the religion, any religion, any identity is secondary. What's promary to these people are the accessories.

    "Wow! Look at them neat baggy pants and fur coats and warm hats those Sherpas wear! I wanna be just like them! Damn! I forgot, I live in California, it's too hot here to be a Sherpas, I know! I'll be a moosleem, they too wear baggy pants!"

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