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    Post What Constitutes a "Nordid/Nordic" Phenotype?

    I just wanted to know what makes someone nordic what are the features? Because it seems like anyone now a days can pass for somekind of Nordic sub group. I remember when I was at this site about ayear ago and the idea of someone being Nordic meant blond hair blue eyes now I am all confused??

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    Question What constitutes a "Nordid/Nordic" phenotype?

    I have compiled a list of what I believe make up a Nordic phenotype. Please feel free to expand, or prove wrong some of my information.

    Nordic Phenotypical Traits:

    1. Light hair (Does anyone have the hair color scale used by B. Lundman?)
    2. Light Eyes (Does anyone have the eye color scale used by B. Lundman?)
    3. Tall Stature
    4. Dolichocephaly
    5. Low-headed
    6. well-formed zygomatic arches
    7. sloping forehead
    8. narrow forehead
    9. Curvo-occipitality
    10. Ectomorphism-Mesomorphism
    11. High-Bridged Nose
    12. Leptorrhiney
    13. Well-Rounded Eye Sockets
    14. Poorly formed browridges
    15. receding chin
    16. short-arms
    17. tendency to both retrognathy and prognathey
    Last edited by SouthernBoy; Thursday, December 16th, 2004 at 12:44 AM.






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    Post Re: What constitutes a "Nordid/Nordic" phenotype?

    I don't think nordics have receding chins. Brunn types are know for that, but not skando-nordids.

    The eye-sockets are also more rectangular than round and deep set.

    I also would like to add that nordics are leaner of an athletic physique. posses more vascularity than most types. Basically every feature can ne characterized by slenderness/gracile with strength, progressive evolution.

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    Post Re: What constitutes a "Nordid/Nordic" phenotype?

    I think Scando-Nordid encompasses a larger group than what I am referring to. I think that Brunns have more well-devoloped chins than Nordids.






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    Post Re: What constitutes a "Nordid/Nordic" phenotype?

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernBoy
    I have compiled a list of what I believe make up a Nordic phenotype. Please feel free to expand, or prove wrong some of my information.

    Nordic Phenotypical Traits:

    1. Blonde Hair
    2. Blue Eyes
    3. Tall Stature
    4. Dolichocephaly (long-headed)
    5. Low-headed
    6. well-formed zygomatic arches
    7. sloping forehead
    8. narrow forehead
    9 well-rounded vault
    9. Curvo-occipitality
    10. Ectomorphism (Leptsopromisic?)
    11. High-Bridged Nose
    12. Leptorrhiney
    13. Well-Rounded Eye Sockets
    14. Malformed, or absent, browridges
    15. receding chin
    16. short-arms
    I believe low head and sloping forehead aren't nordic traits. They are not progressive traits for sure. Receding chin also doesn't sound very nordic

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    Post AW: Re: What constitutes a "Nordid/Nordic" phenotype?

    Trönders are high-skulled. Most Nordids are mesocephalic and not always blond (less so than Baltids), so I´d rather make that "light-haired".

    Off the top of my head I´d add prognathy, rather compressed gonial angles and a narrow and straight to convex nose.
    Last edited by Triglav; Thursday, December 16th, 2004 at 12:25 AM.
    "slavic" languages are absolutely arteficial (Read "slawenlegende"). The "glagolica", invented by a bunch of monks, is nothing but an ancient esperanto, creating new words, definitions and alphabet out of regional slangs.

    The craddle of European Civilization comes from the North. All blond people originate from the north. So if you see a blond-blue eyed Slovene, Russian, Czech, Polak ect., you can be 100% sure that his ancient ancestors originated from "Germanics" (Germanic = Nordic).
    "slovenja" was the settelment of the Langobards = Germanics/Teutons. "Poland" of the Goths and East-Vandals ect. ect. What do "slavs" tell us about their origin?
    Some silly story that they originate from some swamps in the east and popped out of no where into history.

    So you see my dear "Gorostan" [=Triglav], you are in reality a "Germanic" indoctrinated with panslav propaganda and historic fantasy stories. ~Dr. Brandt, former TNP and Skadi member

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    Post Re: AW: Re: What constitutes a "Nordid/Nordic" phenotype?

    I was curious about prognathy. Rushton seemed to think that it was found quite a bit in Nordids. Are Nordids progressive? I am eager to here Norda's, Frans_Josef's, and Volksdeutscher's opinions of this.






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    Post Re: What constitutes a "Nordid/Nordic" phenotype?

    http://www.genetree.com/about/eye-color-chart.asp

    I Would say nordic is from 0 to 2 or 3 d.A.

    http://www.adiscountbeauty.com/media...charmchart.jpg

    Nordic can have many variants but mostly blond to light brown.


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    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernBoy
    I have compiled a list of what I believe make up a Nordic phenotype. Please feel free to expand, or prove wrong some of my information.

    Nordic Phenotypical Traits:

    1. Light hair (Does anyone have the hair color scale used by B. Lundman?)
    2. Light Eyes (Does anyone have the eye color scale used by B. Lundman?)
    3. Tall Stature
    4. Dolichocephaly
    5. Low-headed
    6. well-formed zygomatic arches
    7. sloping forehead
    8. narrow forehead
    9. Curvo-occipitality
    10. Ectomorphism-Mesomorphism
    11. High-Bridged Nose
    12. Leptorrhiney
    13. Well-Rounded Eye Sockets
    14. Poorly formed browridges
    15. receding chin
    16. short-arms
    17. tendency to both retrognathy and prognathey
    I don't quite agree if we are describing Nordics as in Hallstatt or Keltic Nordic as Coon did. I like the Reihengraeber material as a guide because these remains were found in river valleys by which the early Germanic people progressed southward and so probably most clearly represent this type. This along with the living measurements of Swedish recruits Coon cites might be the best examples. Stature: "Tallish" might be a better word. Nordics are not tall as compared to UPs but are usually taller than Alpines or East Batics, for instance. Eyes blue or grey or a combination but can also be light brown. Pigmentation: I believe they used colored tiles and matched them onto the skin in those days. Later, light reflection techniques where used. Nordics are light-skinned, ranging from the peaches and cream look to china white but still with a minority of tanner types included. C.I. of about 74 for the Reihengraeber people. Compressed zygomatic arches. About this all authorities are in agreement and is the opposite of the classic French Cro-Magnon look. Narrow, sloping forehead but at an angle in line with the angle of the nose. Your category #9 I think means the characteristic long occipital look of some Nordics. This is not universal in my mind though. Body built has relatively short arms sometimes and sometimes approaches the UP condition but in all cases the musculature is not as heavy. Nordic males are not usually fat and seem to have good muscular definition. Many seem to have relatively broad shoulders although they never look heavy or muscular as do UPs who are broad shouldered. The nose is thin and compressed and in-line with the forehead. Eye sockets are round, high (as compared with UPs, East Baltics, Alpines) and are also close together. We disagree about the chin. The chin in many Nordics is long. The distance between the upper edge of the lower teeth and the bottom of the chin is great in many individuals. Sometimes this is not so as in the SS man a former member, Friedrich Braun, used as his avatar. But in this case the chin was still not as pointed as in some Bruenn types. The angle of the jaw is greater (as compared to the ascending ramus) so that the chin looks deeper even in the shallow-chinned individuals as compared to the shallow-chinned Buenns.

    I don't know what you mean by retrognathy. I assume the other term is prognatic. Sometimes Nordic females as well as Med. females get puffy mouths. This is usually because the incisors project forwards, rolling the lips back, making the lips look bigger and giving the mouth a softer look. This has more to do with the teeth but sometimes the maxilla is involved. A real prognathic look would involve the lower jaw and big-jawed Nordic women are not common.

    In general, I don't thing unmixed Nordics are as large as most people think they are. When mixed with UP types, they still look "Nordic" but take on a larger Viking Size.

    The word "Nordid" is not a creation of Carlton Coon and I will leave that to someone else.

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    Post Re: What constitutes a "Nordid/Nordic" phenotype?

    I am not sure about low-headedness, take this Norwegian king, for example, the only possible classification for him would be Nordid, imo.

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