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    Post Did Odin Exist?

    The power of Wotan is a metaphysical potential available to each and every one of his people through a process of spiritual introspection and development. To properly appreciate the character and uses of this power, it is necessary to understand its metaphysical background.

    To begin, we must develop a realization of the spiritual nature of the universe. The universe, as a whole, is a spiritually living being -- the ultimately supreme God, if you will. This is not the place for an examination of the motives and processes underlying the manifestations of this universal being. Let it suffice to say that our solar system is one small living part of that being, as a cell is one small living part of a larger organism.

    The center of our solar system is, of course, the sun. What is often overlooked by modern man is the fact that the sun is more than the physical center; it is also the spiritual center. Life on the planet Earth is derived from, dependent upon, and expresses the sun's energy. Naturally, this energy is manifested in other ways as well: the moon supplies reflected energy which has seen subtly altered; the seas absorb, transform, and release that energy; plant life stores the energy in a profoundly altered form; etc.,etc. And, most importantly, each and every living human being is a repository for the sun's energy, and is blessed with the capacity for using that energy in a highly complex and creative way.

    From the earliest times, man has recognized the various sources and centers of this spiritual energy from the sun, and has expressed this recognition in a process of deification of the natural features of the world and its surroundings (the moon, stars, etc.). For most peoples, the sun has played a central role in this process, as it should. Wotan represents the Teutonic attempt to deify and understand this primary source of spiritual energy.

    To equate the designation of Wotan as a sun god with the idea that his worshippers view him simply as a giver of life and warmth, however, is to seriously misunderstand the matter. As an organism absorbs, transforms, and expresses the sun's energy, it partakes of the spiritual essence of the sun,, and moves in the direction of becoming one with that being on a metaphysical plane. Moreover, just as one kind of plant will share in this process in a way that differs from that of another kind of plant, so the various genetic strains of humanity each have their own way of expressing the sun's energy. The ancient Egyptians, for example, stressed the idea of Majesty, and this theme dominated every aspect of their lives. In contrast to this, the Zoroastrian tradition saw the sun as man's champion in the struggle against the forces of darkness. For a Christian, the sun represents a stern but protective father who will save his worshippers if they will only accept him and his ways. Examples could be cited almost endlessly, but the same implicit concept will be found again and again: the sun/deity is an all-powerful spiritual being that imposes his will on the people of the world. In the case of Wotan, however, the spiritual essence of the sun is seen in a significantly different way -- and it is from this that Wotan's power is derived.

    Wotan stands alone as an evolving, honorable and aloof deity. In the mythologies of other religions, the sun god is presented as a complete, finished deity; Wotan learns and grows, and is ever striving to achieve new heights of power and wisdom. In other religions, the sun god is portrayed as being primarily concerned with enforcing the established order; Wotan is always seeking to create the new. The other sun gods present an arbitrary code of conduct to humanity and accept no questioning of its basis, or their own conduct; Wotan demands of his followers only that they be honorable - and applies this requirement to himself as well. And, perhaps most importantly, the sun gods of the other religions impose themselves upon their peoples, demanding obediance and allegiance, while Wotan stands apart and makes himself available only to those who choose his way and actively seek him out.

    Of all the peoples of the world, the Teutons are alone in having experienced the miraculous and sublime process of evolutionary change that has enabled them to see the sun's energy as alive, evolving, and creative. The sun gods of other peoples were static from their inception - and therefore stillborn; their survival as objects of worship was made possible only by a grasping and hypocritical priesthood.

    Unfortunately for humanity, Wotan's people lacked the courage of their convictions; they opted for the easy road, and accepted Christianity. Now, after centuries of betrayal, hypocrisy and revealed falsehood, his people are rejecting the Judeo-Christian lie and turning to their inner spiritual selves for truth and understanding -- and they are finding Wotan. There can be no more impressive demonstration of the creative power of Wotan than this.

    We stand on the threshold of a new era, and what we see before us is the universe. As we carry the banner of our sun's spiritual energy to the farthest galaxies, we can take pride in the knowledge that we are the bringers of the seed of evolution, creativity, honor, and dignity.

    http://www.artgemeinschaft.org/ewotsun.htm

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    Post Re: Wotan - the Sun God

    Sunna is the Sungoddess... Wotan does not represent the sun.
    "And how can man die better, than facing fearful Odds for the Ashes of his Fathers and the Temples of his Gods..."
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    DID ODIN EXIST?

    by Sergei V. Rjabchikov

    T. Heyerdahl and P. Lillieström (2001) believe that the Scandinavian god Odin was indeed a Proto-Slavonic king who lived near the Sea of Azov (now it is the Rostov-on-Don region, Russia) in 100 - 200 A.D. Then this king was forced out by the Romans from the area of the Don river and settled down in Scandinavia. This hypothesis is based on the data obtained during the excavations of the Russian-Norwegian archaeological expedition under the leadership of T. Heyerdahl at the town Azov, the Rostov-on-Don region, Russia, in 2001.

    Did Odin exist? As has been shown by the author earlier (The Interpretation of Some Sarmatian Motifs and Inscriptions), a Bosporan name, Ardinzianos (Ardinzian), consists of Scythian/Sarmatian ar 'Aryan', din 'day' and zian 'shine; light; radiance; the sun'; this name signifies 'An Aryan (by name) 'The daylight''. So the Proto-Slavonic name Din 'Day' (cf. the name Odin) might be spread among the Scythians and Sarmatians.

    The mysterious river Smorodina mentioned in some Russian fairy-tales is indeed the Kuban river. In my opinion, the archaic Russian fairy-tales were composed in the Kuban area (now it is the Krasnodar region, Russia) (Rjabchikov 1998a, 1998b, 1998c). The Scythian and Sarmatian religious beliefs are preserved in the Slavonic folklore and decorative art (see, e.g., Rjabchikov 2002a, 2002b). In a Russian fairy-tale, Ivan Bykovich (Ivan, a Son of the Bull), a fiery (kalinovy in Russian) bridge at the Smorodina river is mentioned; in another variant of this fairy-tale, Burya-bogatyr' i Ivan korovy syn (The Hero Storm and Ivan, a Son of the Cow), a fiery bridge near the Black Sea is mentioned. I read the name Smorodina as S mor Odina 'Near the sea of Odin'. A market of Odintsov (Odintsovsky bazar in Russian) was located near one of branches of the Kuban river at the Taman' Peninsula from the time of the ancient Russian Tmutarakan' Principality (Soloviev 1992: 65). It is apparent that the name Odin is preserved in this place name. I conclude that the Black Sea once was named for Odin. One can suppose that this Odin lived initially near the Black Sea and the Kuban river, then he was settled down near the Sea of Azov. Why did it happen? The Bosporan king Sauromatus II ruled from 174 to 210 A.D. He won a victory over the Scythians and Siraki (a Sarmatian tribe) in 193 A.D., and as a result the Siraki left the Kuban area and were included in the Alani (Sarmatians) of the Don river (Koshelenko, Kruglikova and Dolgorukov 1984: 19; Trekhbratov 1997: 393, 415). It is felt that Odin was a ruler of those Siraki. Afterwards this ruler and his warriors were forced out by the Roman and Bosporan troops from the area of the Don river, and then this group of the Proto-Slavs migrated to Scandinavia.

    Let us consider a Bosporan coin of Sauromatus II. It was presented at a web site of one of on-line numismatic shops. My own tracings of both sides of the coin are shown in figure 1.



    Figure 1.

    Here the Bosporan king Sauromatus II is depicted; it is confirmed by the record with his title (king) and name.

    Now one can examine the reverse. A horseman is represented, he is pierced with a spear. By this is meant that this hero was killed or at least lost the field. One can see the Greek letter B here as well. This warrior holds a torch (fire). Therefore it is safe to assume that the horseman on the picture is Odin (Din 'Day'), the king (chief) of the Siraki. The decoded figure is a key to his mystery.



    REFERENCES

    Heyerdahl, T. and P. Lillieström, 2001. Jakten på Odin. Oslo: J.M. Stenersens Forlag A.S.

    Koshelenko, G.A., Kruglikova, I.T. and V.S. Dolgorukov (eds.), 1984. Antichnye gosudarstva Severnogo Prichernomor'ya. Moscow: Nauka.

    Rjabchikov, S.V., 1998a. Kubanskie istoki russkikh skazok. Nasha Kuban', 14-21 August 1998, No. 24(36): 7.

    Rjabchikov, S.V., 1998b. Tainstvennaya Tmutarakan'. Krasnodar: Torgovo-promyshlennaya palata Krasnodarskogo kraya.

    Rjabchikov, S.V., 1998c. Delovye zapisi drevnikh russov. Dusha moya, September 1998, No. 18(35): 8.

    Rjabchikov, S.V., 2002a. Arkheologiya skifov, sarmatov, drevnikh rusov i slavyansky fol'klor. In: S.D. Kryzhyts'ky (ed.) Suchasni problemy arkheologii. Kiev: The Institute of Archaeology of the National Ukrainian Academy of Sciences, pp. 214-5.

    Rjabchikov, S.V., 2002b. Some Remarks on the Scythian and Sarmatian Religion. AnthroGlobe Journal: http://www.anthroglobe.ca/docs/Scythian_religion.pdf.

    Soloviev, V.A., 1992. Suvorov na Kubani. Krasnodar.

    Trekhbratov, B.A. (ed.), 1997. Entsiklopedichesky slovar' po istorii Kubani s drevneyshikh vremen do oktyabrya 1917 goda. Krasnodar: Edvi.

    Copyright © 2002 by Sergei V. Rjabchikov. All Rights Reserved.

    Published 21 May 2002; revised 23 May 2002.

    Sergei V. Rjabchikov, Krasnodar, RUSSIA.

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    Post Re: Did Odin exist?

    Hallo
    Accordingn to book:
    The Norsemen Myths and Legends, Guerber H.A., Senate Publ., 1994
    Odin was historicaly existing at about 300 after Rabbi Jesuah, and he was coming from the area of Odense, in Denmark.
    However, I remember that I also in the past found some bibliography that he might have come from Russia or Asia Minor. I cannot remember the Author or the book so I will leave this information to the sphere of speculation.

    Mythologically we know that Odin gave us the Runes. Regarding the history of the runes, we know that runes also correspond to ancient Hellenic letters. This does not mean that he was Greek himself or Skithean or whatever, but tell us, that his origin, was involving an educational system that was very old indeed.

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    AW: Re: Did Odin exist?

    Of course Odor exists:


    And all my youth passed by sad-hearted,
    the joy of Spring was never mine;
    Autumn blows through me dread of parting,
    and my heart dreams and longs to die.

    - Nikolaus Lenau (1802-1850)

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    Post Re: AW: Re: Did Odin exist?

    Thanks Beren. Very interesting.
    The word 'Odin' itself resembles most the Slavic word 'One'
    might mean the first god, or the one god.

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    Post Re: Did Odin exist?

    Yeah, "BACILEWC CAYRO(M)ATOY" means "Of King Savromatos" in Greek.Many Thracian tribes,under the influence of Greek cities of Thrace,used greek language on their coins.

    "Savromatos" means "lizzard-eyed" in Greek as well.The name is definetely greek (not hellenized).

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    Post Re: Did Odin exist?

    IM RIGHT HERE !!!

    LOOK !! :scream

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    Post Re: Did Odin exist?

    There is nothing new in attempts at humanising the gods: it is as old as the recorded myths.Snorri Sturluson started this process with his Poetic or Younger Edda.
    I would suspect that his reason for doing so was to detract from the divine nature of our gods because of his xtian beliefs.
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    Post Re: Did Odin exist?

    http://www.azer.com/aiweb/categories...storfjell.html

    Here's another link. Has anyone read Heyerdahl's work The Search for Odin? I'd be interested in hearing about possible tribal descendents.

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