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    Re: Jung's "Wotan"

    I only have a copy in Paperback. You might want to search Soulseek and obscure websites, you never know if someone has it on some Geocities website. I'll ask a few friends and get back to you though.

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    Re: Jung's "Wotan"

    Thanks, I hadn't thought to check Soulseek. I appreciate you checking around as well.

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    Re: Jung's "Wotan"

    Well I've not been able to find anything so far but there are a few folks I talk to online who have quite a large collection of .pdf e-books who have not been online for a month or so. Next time I see them online I'll ask if they have it and I'll send it to you.
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    Re: Jung's "Wotan"

    Quote Originally Posted by :hve­rungur: View Post
    Well I've not been able to find anything so far but there are a few folks I talk to online who have quite a large collection of .pdf e-books who have not been online for a month or so. Next time I see them online I'll ask if they have it and I'll send it to you.
    I certainly appreciate it. I've been doing periodic checks on Soulseek and Ares, but have yet to locate it. Interestingly enough, there is a Spanish language version of the essay floating around on Ares, but that is of less use to me than a German version. Thanks again!

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    AW: Jung's "Wotan"

    Carl Gustav Jung on Wotan

    'What is curious is that an ancient god of storm and frenzy, the long
    quiescent Wotan, should awake, like an extinct volcano, to new
    activity, in a civilised country that had long outgrown the Middle
    Ages. We have seen him come to life in the German youth movement, and
    right at the beginning, the blood of several sheep was shed in honour
    of his resurrection.

    'Armed with rucksack and lute, blond youths and girls were to be seen
    restlessly wandering on every road from the North Cape to Sicily,
    faithful votaries of the roving god. Later, towards the end of the
    Weimar Republic, the wandering role was taken over by thousands of
    unemployed. By 1933 they wandered no longer, but marched in their
    hundreds of thousands. The Hitler movement literally brought the whole
    of Germany to its feet, from five-year-olds to veterans, and produced
    the spectacle of a nation migrating from one place to another. Wotan
    the Wanderer was on the move.

    'Wotan is a restless wanderer who creates unrest and stirs up strife
    and works magic. He was soon changed by Christianity into the devil,
    and only lived on in fading local traditions as a ghostly hunter who
    was seen with his retinue (the Wild Hunt) flickering like a will o'
    the wisp through the stormy night.


    'The German youths who celebrated the solstice with sheep sacrifices
    were not the first to hear a rustling in the primeval forest of the
    unconscious. They were anticipated by Nietzsche, Schuler, Stefan
    George, and Ludwig Klages. The literary tradition of Germany has a
    classical stamp that cannot easily be got rid of; every interpretation
    of intoxication and exuberance is apt to be taken back to classical
    models, to Dionysus.

    'No doubt it sounds better to academic ears to interpret these things
    as Dionysus, but Wotan might be a more correct interpretation. He is
    the god of storm and frenzy, the unleasher of passions and the lust of
    battle; moreover he is a superlative magician and artist in illusion
    who is versed in all secrets of the occult.
    'We are convinced that the modern world is a reasonable place, basing
    our opinion on economic, political, and psychological factors. I
    venture the heretical suggestion that the unfathomable depths of
    Wotan's character explain more of National Socialism (Nazism) than all
    three reasonable factors put together. There is no doubt that each of
    these factors explains an important aspect of what is going on in
    Germany, but Wotan explains yet more.

    'Perhaps we may sum up this general phenomenon as 'Ergriffenheit' - a
    state of being seized or possessed. The term postulates not only an
    'Ergriffener' (one who is seized) but also an Ergreifer (one who
    seizes). Wotan is an 'Ergreifer' of men, and, unless one wishes to
    deify Hitler - which indeed has actually happened - Wotan is really
    the only explanation. It is true that Wotan shares this possession
    quality with his cousin Dionysus, but Dionysus seems to have exercised
    his influence mainly on women. The maenads were a species of female
    storm-trooper, and according to mythical reports were dangerous
    enough. Wotan confined himself to the Beserkers, who found their
    vocation as the blackshirts of mythical kings.

    'It seems to me that Wotan hits the mark as an hypothesis. Apparently
    he really was only asleep in the Kyffhauser mountain until the ravens
    called him and announced the break of day. He is a fundamental
    attribute of the German psyche, an irrational psychic factor which
    acts on the high pressure of civilisation like a cyclone and blows it
    away. The Wotan-worshippers seem to have judged things more correctly
    than the worshippers of reason. Apparently everyone had forgotten that
    Wotan is a Germanic factor of first importance, the truest expression
    and unsurpassed personification of a fundamental quality that is
    particularly characteristic of the Germans.

    'The emphasis on the Germanic race, the Germanic heritage, blood and
    soil, the ride of the Valkyries, Jesus as a blond and blue-eyed hero -
    all this is the indispensable scenery for the drama that is taking
    place and at bottom they all mean the same thing: a god has taken
    possession of the Germans and their house is filled with a 'mighty
    rushing wind'.

    'It was not in Wotan's nature to linger on and show signs of old age.
    He simply disappeared when the times turned against him, and remained
    invisible for more than a thousand years, working anonymously and
    indirectly. Archetypes are like river-beds which dry up when the water
    deserts them, but which it can find again at any time. An archetype is
    like an old watercourse along which the water of life has flowed for
    centuries, digging a deep channel for itself. The longer it has flowed
    in this channel the more likely it is that sooner or later the water
    will return to its old bed.

    'We are driven to conclude that Wotan must, in time, reveal not only
    the restless, violent, stormy side of his character, but also his
    ecstatic and mantic qualities. National Socialism will not be the last
    word. Things must be concealed in the background which we cannot
    imagine at present, but we may expect them to appear in the course of
    the future.'


    Jung had much more than just an academic interest in Wodhanaz, in fact
    he came to believe that this god is the true deity of the Germanic
    peoples of Europe. Of particular interest in this regard was a dream
    Jung had the night his mother died. In his autobiography, 'Memories,
    dreams, reflections', Jung writes:

    'The night before her death I had a frightening dream. I was in a
    dense, gloomy forest; fantastic, gigantic boulders lay about among
    huge jungle-like trees. It was a heroic, primeval landscape. Suddenly
    I heard a piercing whistle that seemed to resound through the whole
    universe. My knees shook. Then there were crashings in the
    undergrowth, and a gigantic wolfhound with a fearful, gaping maw burst
    forth. At the sight of it, the blood froze in my veins. It tore past
    me, and I suddenly knew: the Wild Huntsman had commanded it to carry
    away a human soul. I awoke in deadly terror, and the next morning I
    received the news of my mother's passing.


    'Seldom has a dream so shaken me, for upon superficial consideration
    it seemed to say that the devil had fetched her. But to be accurate
    the dream said that it was the Wild Huntsman, the 'Grunhutl', or
    Wearer of the Green Hat, who hunted with his wolves that night. It was
    Wotan, the god of my Alemannic forefathers, who had gathered my mother
    to her ancestors.
    'It was the Christian missionaries who made Wotan into a devil. In
    himself he is an important god - a Mercury or Hermes, as the Romans
    correctly realised, a nature spirit who returned to life again in the
    Grail legend. Thus the dream says that the soul of my mother was taken
    into that greater territory of the self which lies beyond the segment
    of Christian morality, taken into that wholeness of nature and spirit
    in which conflicts and contradictions are resolved.

    'I went home immediately, and while I rode in the night train I had a
    feeling of great grief, but in my heart of hearts I could not be
    mournful, and this for a strange reason: during the entire journey I
    continually heard dance music, laughter, and jollity, as though a
    wedding were being celebrated.


    'This paradox can be explained if we suppose that at one moment death
    was being represented from the point of view of the ego, and at the
    next from that of the psyche (soul). In the first
    case it appeared as a catastrophe; that is how it so often strikes us,
    as if wicked and pitiless powers had put an end to a human
    life....from another point of view, however, death appears as a joyful
    event. In the light of eternity, it is a wedding, a 'mysterium
    coniunctionis'. The soul attains, as it were, its missing half, it
    achieves wholeness.'
    LÝk b÷rn leika best.

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    Re: Jung's "Wotan"

    Thank you very much Blutw÷lfin! Is this the entire essay?

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    Odin DOES exist.
    Ragnarok has not yet come. When Ragnar÷k comes - the time when the world will be destroyed and Odin will be eaten by the Fenrir wolf - then the sun is described to turn black and die just like the stars. If you look to the sky, this didn't happen yet. So Ragnarok has not come. It will happen most probably in some billion years. Until then, Odin will continue to live. Gods don't mature so quickly, because the apples of Iduna keep them young.
    And gods don't just die if people stop to worship them. Odin lived BEFORE humans were created.

    Now Odin being a human king.. I also think it is likely. Odin always liked (and likes ?) to turn into a human shape in once and a while. He did it many many times. He also slept with many human women and had children with them. Any Germanic might descend from Odin in a small part. Usually Odin appears as a lonesome Wanderer. But he can actually be anything. Just remember when we wanted sleep with the giantess Rinda, who should give birth to a child who would avenge his killed son Baldur. He first came to her as a warrior ... and after she turned him down, he came as a blacksmith, and once again she didn't like to sleep with him. Finally he appeared as a medicine woman. When Rinda later fell ill, the disguised Odin said he had medicine with which to cure her but it would cause a violent reaction. On advice from Odin Rinda was tied to her bed. Odin then proceeded to rape her. From the rape was born Wole who would later avenge Odins son Balderus.
    Now what do we see from all the old stories? Odin is a master of magic. Odin can be anything. Any type of human, any type of animal or plant..he could appear anywhere in any place. And maybe he used to be a human king for a while. Maybe he wanted to learn to know more about us ?
    Nowadays he might not appear as much as he did in former times. Why should he care for his human children if they are now praying to other foreign (semitic) gods ? Or even believe in NOTHING at all ? I could understand if he doesnt visit us so much at the moment. Maybe nowadays he likes to spend more time with his Valhalla warriors that live with him instead of worrying about his children who became Christians ?
    Still: It can happen again, he may travel to Midgard and visit us, any time he feels like !

    So watch out whenever you meet a stranger. You never know if you are just dealing with ODIN himself
    Hail Wotan!

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    I know for a fact that Odin exists. The Allfather exists in my Blood, bone and Folk. He (and all of the Aryan Gods/Goddesses) exist to me because of my Faith. Once you start to question Faith, religion becomes pointless. When you start looking for proof to justify your Faith it becomes more of scientific method that a living religion. Reality is based on perception and if one perceives/feels that the Holy Forces are real then that holds true/Tru for that person.

    Odin Hail.

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    Faith, meh.

    Faith: not wanting to know what is true.

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    Two things:

    1) This looks like 'twas a great thread all those years ago, and has been quite informative.

    2) This is the single largest bump of a thread I have seen in years.

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