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    Post Re: Did Odin exist?

    I have to say this is most likely just Christian propaganda dating back to Snorri Sturlusson...
    "A king should have honor, not a long life."

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    Post Re: Did Odin exist?

    A nice little book on the subject is The Cult of Othin by H M Chadwick (its old but well-researched). Chadwick is pretty certain that Odin was not an indigenous god in Scandinavia, but introduced later on. Possibly together with runes, sacrificial hangings and cremation.

    By comparing historical sources like Tacitus and Beowulf, Chadwick reaches the conclusion that Odin was not around among the Swedes in the year 50 AD, but definitely around in the sixth century. He doesnt present a historical person as Oden though, at least not as far as I remember. If there is any interest I will look up the book again.

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    One thing we ought to remember when it comes to these questions though, is that the pagan worldview differed from our own. The concept of the avatar in Hinduism is wellknown, but similar ideas are found in most paganisms. To the more esotericist pagan, the gods are not persons, but more archetypes or energies (this is the reason some of the last Asatruar called themselves Gudlaussir menn, godless men. They realized this esotericist truth, and that the gods were "in them"). It is possible for a mortal to become one with the archetype, and to "become the god".

    I might use the Egyptian pharao Ramses as an example. During one battle he fought his enemies with such furor and terror that they screamed in fear "He is the God of War", and in a sense he was (well, it may have been some other pharao, but thats not the issue here). He was one with the energy or archetype that was the Wargod.

    So Odin being a man and Odin being a god doesnt make each other impossibilities. Both may be true, at the same time. There might even have been several Odins during history, according to the pagan mindset, other mortals who became one with the eternal archetype.

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    Post Re: Did Odin exist?

    If Odin existed where is he now?

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    Post Re: Did Odin exist?

    The idea that Odin was a real king and came from the Black Sea region is an old idea. Coon mentions it in his Races of Europe and he did not originate it. It seems only the cast of characters change, Coon mentions Illyrians, as well as the dates change. I believe this was all based on linguistic ideas of the 19th Century.

    Another little point, what are proto-Slavs? The dates given, 200 B.C. or so are many years away from the first Slavs and they originated (correct me if I am wrong) near and to the East of the Baltic countries. So in terms of time and space, how can these writers talk about proto-Slavs?

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    Post Re: Did Odin exist?

    Odin a swarthy hooked nose Dinaric or Armenoid from the Caucus?

    The Vikings traveled all the lands, theyre boats came from Phoenicia, theyre drink (mead) is a copy of the Phrygian, their culture from the Slavs and Scytho-Sarmatians...Could it be the Vikings were just a mix of pirates? =)

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    It is supposed that Odin was the chief of a tribe of barbarians which dwelt on the banks of the Lake Maeotis, till the fall of the Mithridates and the arms of Pompey menaced the North with servitude. From the frontiers of the Asiatic Sarmatia into Sweden with design of having freedom of religion and a people, which in some remote age, might be subservient to his immortal revenge; when his invincible Goths armed to chastise the oppressors of mankind.

    When the Goths reached the north Black Sea area, they discovered great fertile ground, rivers to travel, plenty of game and fish, good weather for most types of grains and produce…But the Goths withstood all these temptations and still adhered to a life of idleness, poverty and rapine.

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    Post Re: Did Odin exist?

    Sarmatians and Scythians are black haired Iranians!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shapur
    Sarmatians and Scythians are black haired Iranians!!!
    What about the Tokharians or the Kushans? They also had a great amount of fair-haired amongst them, as the mummies and the chinese sources proved. When I was in Takharistan (which derives from the Tokharians) I noticed some blonde and reddish-blond people too, especially around the villages. What is it with your black-hair fetish?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beren
    What about the Tokharians or the Kushans? They also had a great amount of fair-haired amongst them, as the mummies and the chinese sources proved. When I was in Takharistan (which derives from the Tokharians) I noticed some blonde and reddish-blond people too, especially around the villages. What is it with your black-hair fetish?
    That pre-dates the Aryans. They came from Anatolia.

    Aryanism did not spring from the Iranian plateu as Iranians would like to beleive.

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