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    Post From Italy to the Middle East -- genetically undifferentiated

    If I were to post this on SF it'd probably be deleted.


    http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/c...03521303/START

    The allelic variability at six Y-chromosome-specific polymorphisms (YAP, DYS19, DYS389-I, DYS390, DYS391, and DYS392) was used to generate male-specific haplotypes in 333 males representing 12 population samples from the region around the Mediterranean sea. Extreme interindividual variation was observed, as more than 160 distinct Y-chromosome variants could be defined as six-locus haplotypes. Concomitant with this high variability, low levels of population genetic structure were observed. In particular, a core of populations directly facing the north and the east of the Mediterranean basin, from the Middle East to the Italian Peninsula, was found to be genetically undifferentiated. This observation, supported by a reanalysis of Y-specific binary polymorphisms in the same populations, suggests that at least part of the male-specific gene pools of these populations has either a very recent common origin (that could be related with the Neolithic demic diffusion hypothesis), and/or that gene flow has played a significant role in shaping the patterns of genetic variability in this region. In agreement with both hypotheses, we found that the spatial distribution of DYS392 alleles revealed a marked differentiation between the East and the West of the Mediterranean area. Through the analysis of microsatellite variation, the time to the most recent common ancestor (TMRCA) of the YAP+ sublineage 4 has been estimated. The estimations, based on two different data sets, turn out to be quite recent (7,000-11,000 YBP), suggesting that this lineage may have been first introduced into Southern Europe through Neolithic migrations from the Middle East. Am J Phys Anthropol 121:000-000, 2003. © 2003 Wiley-Liss, Inc.

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    Post Re: From Italy to the Middle East -- genetically undifferentiated

    Originally posted by ns1488ca
    If I were to post this on SF it'd probably be deleted.


    http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/c...03521303/START

    The allelic variability at six Y-chromosome-specific polymorphisms (YAP, DYS19, DYS389-I, DYS390, DYS391, and DYS392) was used to generate male-specific haplotypes in 333 males representing 12 population samples the region around the Mediterranfrom ean sea. Extreme interindividual variation was observed, as more than 160 distinct Y-chromosome variants could be defined as six-locus haplotypes. Concomitant with this high variability, low levels of population genetic structure were observed. In particular, a core of populations directly facing the north and the east of the Mediterranean basin, from the Middle East to the Italian Peninsula, was found to be genetically undifferentiated. This observation, supported by a reanalysis of Y-specific binary polymorphisms in the same populations, suggests that at least part of the male-specific gene pools of these populations has either a very recent common origin (that could be related with the Neolithic demic diffusion hypothesis), and/or that gene flow has played a significant role in shaping the patterns of genetic variability in this region. In agreement with both hypotheses, we found that the spatial distribution of DYS392 alleles revealed a marked differentiation between the East and the West of the Mediterranean area. Through the analysis of microsatellite variation, the time to the most recent common ancestor (TMRCA) of the YAP+ sublineage 4 has been estimated. The estimations, based on two different data sets, turn out to be quite recent (7,000-11,000 YBP), suggesting that this lineage may have been first introduced into Southern Europe through Neolithic migrations from the Middle East. Am J Phys Anthropol 121:000-000, 2003. © 2003 Wiley-Liss, Inc.
    This is just a small amount, this does not change the race of the people.

    Europeans whether from North or South have some mixture in them either Asian,middle eastern etc.

    No whites are 100% pure and certainally not you ns1488ca.

    You are french and if you think the French are pure? then you are living in
    a bubble.






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    BTW! This also includes the French! take a look at the map they are also in the mediterranean basin.

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    Post Re: From Italy to the Middle East -- genetically undifferentiated

    Originally posted by cosmocreator
    If I were to post this on SF it'd probably be deleted.

    .. are you saying that Lombards are the same as Iraqies?? Italy has different subraces,... isent it obvious? whats the point??

    http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/c...03521303/START

    The allelic variability at six Y-chromosome-specific polymorphisms (YAP, DYS19, DYS389-I, DYS390, DYS391, and DYS392) was used to generate male-specific haplotypes in 333 males representing 12 population samples from the region around the Mediterranean sea. Extreme interindividual variation was observed, as more than 160 distinct Y-chromosome variants could be defined as six-locus haplotypes. Concomitant with this high variability, low levels of population genetic structure were observed. In particular, a core of populations directly facing the north and the east of the Mediterranean basin, from the Middle East to the Italian Peninsula, was found to be genetically undifferentiated. This observation, supported by a reanalysis of Y-specific binary polymorphisms in the same populations, suggests that at least part of the male-specific gene pools of these populations has either a very recent common origin (that could be related with the Neolithic demic diffusion hypothesis), and/or that gene flow has played a significant role in shaping the patterns of genetic variability in this region. In agreement with both hypotheses, we found that the spatial distribution of DYS392 alleles revealed a marked differentiation between the East and the West of the Mediterranean area. Through the analysis of microsatellite variation, the time to the most recent common ancestor (TMRCA) of the YAP+ sublineage 4 has been estimated. The estimations, based on two different data sets, turn out to be quite recent (7,000-11,000 YBP), suggesting that this lineage may have been first introduced into Southern Europe through Neolithic migrations from the Middle East. Am J Phys Anthropol 121:000-000, 2003. © 2003 Wiley-Liss, Inc.
    not again... the reason why SF would not like it.. is because they are dedicated to pan white/European unity in order to save our lands, you of all should know that.. isent Canada being invaded by third world ( colored) peoples.?? are you saying Don Black is wrong? this infighting is the jews dream.. remember that..

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    Post Re: Re: From Italy to the Middle East -- genetically undifferentiated

    Originally posted by triskel
    not again... the reason why SF would not like it.. is because they are dedicated to pan white/European unity in order to save our lands, you of all should know that.. isent Canada being invaded by third world ( colored) peoples.?? are you saying Don Black is wrong? this infighting is the jews dream.. remember that..
    You don't need to apologise for SF. They do not allow posts that question the racial characteristics of Europeans, we allow them if presented from a scientific point of view and/or in a civil manner. It would be better if some Southern Europeans got interested in these things so that they could defend themselves using some anthropological/genetic data presented here. Apparently Southern European Racialists are not concerned, which is wrong, personally I am not much interested in the matter as I would like to focus on other matters, but why doesn't even one Southern European person come here who is interested and knowledgable in Race?

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    Post Re: Re: Re: From Italy to the Middle East -- genetically undifferentiated

    Originally posted by Iovvs Optimvs Maximvs
    You don't need to apologise for SF. They do not allow posts that question the racial characteristics of Europeans, we allow them if presented from a scientific point of view and/or in a civil manner. It would be better if some Southern Europeans got interested in these things so that they could defend themselves using some anthrological/genetic data presented here. Apparently Southern European Racialists are not concerned, which is wrong, personally I am not much interested in the matter as I would like to focus on other matters, but why doesn't even one Southern European person come here who is interested in Race?
    off course they do.. but not bashing of other white nationalities.. those who claim purity are not always so "pure" themselves.. i am certainly intrested... have a nice weekend and you should visite our coast... are thes people unsecure meds ?? lol..x_p

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    Post Re: Re: From Italy to the Middle East -- genetically undifferentiated

    Originally posted by bulldog
    This is just a small amount, this does not change the race of the people.

    Europeans whether from North or South have some mixture in them either Asian,middle eastern etc.

    No whites are 100% pure and certainally not you ns1488ca.

    You are french and if you think the French are pure? then you are living in
    a bubble.

    I'm half French. Mediterraneans are not common in my family. Really insignifcant. Mostly Alpine and UP. Anyway, who cares. It's a scientific study -- which I had nothing to do with.

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    Post Re: Re: Re: From Italy to the Middle East -- genetically undifferentiated

    Originally posted by Iovvs Optimvs Maximvs
    You don't need to apologise for SF. They do not allow posts that question the racial characteristics of Europeans, we allow them if presented from a scientific point of view and/or in a civil manner. It would be better if some Southern Europeans got interested in these things so that they could defend themselves using some anthrological/genetic data presented here. Apparently Southern European Racialists are not concerned, which is wrong, personally I am not much interested in the matter as I would like to focus on other matters, but why doesn't even one Southern European person come here who is interested in Race?
    Southern Europeans are more race concious then Northern Europeans..

    Where I live the biggest race mixers are the Northeners and the biggest wiggers, you see this every day and they are a disgrace to the white race.

    What happened in Southern Europe happened 1000- 2000yrs ago but in Europe the Northern countrys are the biggest race mixers today and in the past , and they have been for centrys.

    There is plenty of data around showing dna of the Northern countrys with dna of other races.

    This BS abouy how pure you are is all propaganda started by a bunch of inferior Nordcist and are the only ones who believe thier own BS, no one else does.

    As far as Roma goes he is an idiot and does not speak for the Italians or Italian/ Americans in this country.

    Infact I dont even think he is Italian but a troll or a jew just looking to start trouble.

    Nordhammer you got a filty mouth using ethnic slurs with your "greaseball" remark. thier is an ethnic slur for every nationality on this board remember that..

    Im an Southern Italian american and have fair skin, blue eyes and when in the sun I get red as an apple and if you think Im the only Italian that does that? then you must live a sheltered life.

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    Post Re: Re: From Italy to the Middle East -- genetically undifferentiated

    Originally posted by bulldog
    This is just a small amount, this does not change the race of the people.

    Europeans whether from North or South have some mixture in them either Asian,middle eastern etc.

    No whites are 100% pure and certainally not you ns1488ca.

    You are french and if you think the French are pure? then you are living in
    a bubble.
    It depends on how you define pure. There are people who are 100% Caucasian/Caucasoid/European by genetic tests. That's about as much proof as one can have of purity.

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    Post Re: Re: Re: Re: From Italy to the Middle East -- genetically undifferentiated

    Originally posted by bulldog
    Southern Europeans are more race concious then Northern Europeans..

    Where I live the biggest race mixers are the Northeners and the biggest wiggers, you see this every day and they are a disgrace to the white race.

    What happened in Southern Europe happened 1000- 2000yrs ago but in Europe the Northern countrys are the biggest race mixers today and in the past , and they have been for centrys.

    There is plenty of data around showing dna of the Northern countrys with dna of other races.

    This BS abouy how pure you are is all propaganda started by a bunch of inferior Nordcist and are the only ones who believe thier own BS, no one else does.

    As far as Roma goes he is an idiot and does not speak for the Italians or Italian/ Americans in this country.

    Infact I dont even think he is Italian but a troll or a jew just looking to start trouble.

    Nordhammer you got a filty mouth using ethnic slurs with your "greaseball" remark. thier is an ethnic slur for every nationality on this board remember that..

    Im an Southern Italian american and have fair skin, blue eyes and when in the sun I get red as an apple and if you think Im the only Italian that does that? then you must live a sheltered life.
    I don't remember calling anyone a greaseball, maybe you're thinking of Lady Goeth. She has personal reasons to dislike Meds though, so you should be understanding.

    I called him Buddafuco, which I personally thought was funny.

    I've never said all Italians are swarthy mongrels, I recognize that a good minority of them are Nordish or assimilable.

    The reality is that Southern Europe has more nonwhite and nonEuropean admixture.

    The legacy of South America doesn't show Meds being especially racist. They racemixed themselves into oblivion.

    I think your perception is merely because there are many more Nords in the population, so it happens more. Just like if you go to Italy, more Meds are racemixing.

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