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    Post Re: How long until America's demise?

    Quote Originally Posted by König Ludwig II.
    I oppose thise post a lot because I see I civil war along with Bush throwing money away left and and right. There is a war between the Rep. party over the Intelligence bill and Immigration and also there is some idiot in California creating comotion all over the counrty over eliminating the pledge of allegiance. I see I civil war soon.
    Amurikins are too hypnotized, ignorant and apathetic to actually fight for or against anything. As long as they have football, TV, gas-guzzling cars and fast food they don't care much about anything of a higher nature.

    What makes the guy filing suit over the pledge an idiot? The Pledge of Allegiance was written by a Socialist and Unionist, Francis Bellamy, which explains the "liberty and justice for all" and the "indivisible" clauses. The "under God" was added in the 1950's during the Red Scare to demonstrate the difference between "God-fearin' Amurikins" and "Godless commie bastards." It's a flagrant violation of both the letter and the spirit of the Constitution. Jefferson, Franklin, Washington and others were not Christian nor did they desire a religious state. I hope this fellow succeeds in getting the Pledge removed, just as I want the 10 Commandments removed from all Federal buildings and courthouses. This was never intended to be a theocracy, despite what some Republicans aver.

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    Post Re: How long until America's demise?

    It will fall with in approximately 45-75 years. The power vacuum will be fought over by China, Russia, and the E.U. I don't think the United States will completely cease to be for a long time. Although widespread corruption, organized crime, and the destruction of the middle-class will prevent it from ever again becoming a world-power.






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    Post Re: How long until America's demise?

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernBoy
    It will fall with in approximately 45-75 years. The power vacuum will be fought over by China, Russia, and the E.U. I don't think the United States will completely cease to be for a long time. Although widespread corruption, organized crime, and the destruction of the middle-class will prevent it from ever again becoming a world-power.
    Neither Russia nor the EU are in any position to make a power grab. Russia cannot even pacify a region of the Caucasus the size of Connecticut, let alone compete for world domination. 1/3 of Russians are below the poverty line and their AIDS population is at 1 million and growing rapidly. The EU is completely soft and decadent and lacks the miltary muscle to be a real force. The EU will remain a trade bloc and diplomacy group. When the United States declines, China alone will be the new superpower.

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    Post Re: How long until America's demise?

    An interesting thing ive thought about here actually.....

    Their isnt much confidence in the way Labour go about being a government in the UK, people get annoyed at the amount of Asylum Seekers entering Britain so Labour takes measures to counter this with ID cards now in the pipeline, these are for various other reasons too though including Terrorism.

    The government gets more Far Right and the population loses faith in it and looks to alternate parties like UKIP or the BNP as a replacement for Labour, this therefore means its gone round in circles from one Far Right to the next making the public even more disillusioned from the Political system.

    And a public with no confidence in its government is a weak country and will get weaker.

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    Post Re: How long until America's demise?

    GRIMR: What American industrial development...? Has anything like that been seen for, say 15 years?

    Secondly, America won't be "crashing down". It's said that Rome wasn't built in one day, neither did Rome "fall" in one day. It took hundreds of years, and even when it "fell" many didn't notice it happening.

    America has already demised, that's why the Washington regimes are so desperate. But "fall", that the U.S won't do. It will still remain a powerful state-nation, just as Rome survived 1000 years after it "fell".

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    Post Re: How long until America's demise?

    Quote Originally Posted by Deling
    GRIMR: What American industrial development...? Has anything like that been seen for, say 15 years?

    Secondly, America won't be "crashing down". It's said that Rome wasn't built in one day, neither did Rome "fall" in one day. It took hundreds of years, and even when it "fell" many didn't notice it happening.

    America has already demised, that's why the Washington regimes are so desperate. But "fall", that the U.S won't do. It will still remain a powerful state-nation, just as Rome survived 1000 years after it "fell".
    We'll see.

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    Post Re: How long until America's demise?

    No, not "we'll see". The problems with people who claim to know 'History', is that 'History' is dramatization of events retrospect. History is events occuring, and is open to interpretation and empirical judgments. Your comment, "we'll see", says much: You won't see if America "falls", your grand-children will read about it in the history books though. The only way for most people to notice events: interpreted to them through books retrospect.

    If you put the frog into a bowl of boiling water it jumps out. If the water is cold, and slowly heaten up, the frog will sit there and boil to death. To me you're this last frog; you would probably not detect a historical process happening, such as American demise ("fall" is like other cataclysmic, human fantasies derived from the boringness of ordinary human life), and it isn't suddenly nor straight-forward. Neither would many 'Fascists' detect fascism if it jump up and bit one in the ass. The political correctness has defined fascism, PC has defined how to merit development and progress of states, it defines how to value history; often one-linear and randomly so the silly Human may grasp it. And political correctness is human too.

    Well, good luck finding your "fall" or "demise". You won't "see" it. Only read about it in a time when the 'Age of American Decline' has become PC enough in political life. It has happened though, and is happening; some things in human relations is meant to be, and it's logical that a relatively small, former European colony can't bear the burden of the world on its shoulder, especially not when preaching democracy and free-trade, which leads to the political and economical strengthening of Eurasian regions, where 85% of all humans live.

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    Post Re: How long until America's demise?

    Quote Originally Posted by JoeDas
    If America collapses tommorow, the world's super-power will be China. Is this something you really want?
    How is that going to happen? Considering China's economical growth and 'wealth' are rather relative, as it has been boosted and stimulated through foreign interest, thanks to the cheap labour and incredibly low production costs China has to offer.

    As of yet I haven't seen them develope anything themselves, or truly worthwhile... I have heard that several economists predicat that a lot of companies, that have been outsourcing 'labour' and 'production', to countries such as China, India etc. will most likely end up back where they started, as the profits are very paradoxal and relative, surely on the long run.

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    Post Re: AW: Re: How long until America's demise?

    Quote Originally Posted by Phlegethon
    How long until America's demise? That depends on when I get to take my vacation.
    by all means, take a holiday
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    Post AW: Re: AW: Re: How long until America's demise?

    China's wages will not remain on this low level for long, a rising middle class also means higher wages and thus lower production costs. This will lead to a higher degree of machination which will result in mass unemployment and pauperization, social unrest, street crime etc. It is very unlikely that China will remain communist for a longer period of time.

    See, history isn't that easy. It isn't linera, it isn't really predictable and there are lots of cataracts and eruptions in the stream of history.
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