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    Post National Socialism or Fascism?

    15 July 2002 -- by Rienzi
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    Nazism or National-Socialism?

    We are bombarded day and night by an endless series of articles, series, mini-series, maxi-series, films, pseudo-documentaries, books and any other form of audio-visual propaganda. The purpose of this almost unbearable onslaught is to make very clear that all the problems of this world are the responsibility of a sect of evil, bloodthirsty White men known as Nazis. This sect flourished in Germany between the years 1933 and 1939. We are told that, by some strange satanic twist, they managed to “brainwashed a civilized, cultured people, who embraced their horrendous ideas wholeheartedly”. I know it sounds a bit simplistic but, the more simplistic the better!. Only sick people devoid of any “rational” political ideas can support “the most evil regime in the history of mankind”! Otherwise how can we explain or understand that this people ( the evil Germans!) not only fought virtually alone against the most powerful military alliance history has ever known (and they almost won!), but they also spent the last three years of the war under the most horrendous campaign of massive, unrestricted aerial bombing (another name for ethnic cleansing) without turning against its leader? Isn't this enough evidence that this people had been brainwashed by their satanic rulers? Otherwise, how can we explain that, in the middle of the most awful misery and desolation, this people kept working with more determination and energy than ever producing, in 1944, more planes and tanks than in 1940? How is it possible that, in their main cities, reduced to rubble, one could see large signs that proudly said: “Our walls had crumbled but not our hearts!” Of course! (we are told) Those signs were written and placed by the staff of the Ministry of Propaganda! Funny thing is: Nobody seems to note the strong correlation between the signs and the behaviour and spirit of the people. Such a behaviour cannot be enforced by government regulations.

    Anyway. This “empire of evil” was destroyed in 1945, and the German people with it. The so-called Germans of today are a bunch of self-hating race-traitors worth their weight in shit. Nobody is more “anti-Nazi” than the “good” Germans! Pity, nobody told them that for all their crawling and crying at the feet of their jewish masters, they will never be forgiven. Their masters have a good memory! They know that, left to themselves, without the terrorist laws of the jewish-bolshevik regime of Berlin, the slaves will found new leaders, people who had not forgotten what really happened in Germany between 1918 and 1945, and then they will awake from their nightmare as their ancestors did with the battle cry “Deutschland Erwache!” (Germany Awakes!)

    Now it's time to go back to basics. What does the word “Nazi” means? It was a short, and insulting name, coined by the Communists and the jewish media of the Weimar republic to describe the young revolutionary movement created by an ex-corporal of the Royal Bavarian Army named Adolf Hitler. For him, and his followers, they never were anything else than “National-Socialists”. It was not a coincidence either than when the new movement (Hitler always referred to it as such during the years of struggle; it was essentially a Bewegung not a Partei.) was to be organized and registered as a political party it was called “National-Sozialistische Deutsche Arbeiter Partei” (N.S.D.A.P) “The German Workers’ National-Socialist Party“. As Eric, Robert and Maguire have said it a hundred times: Hitler was a real revolutionary and a real working-class leader! And this takes me to the issue of an article posted in VNN (www.vanguardnewsnetwork.com ) its title: “Conservatives Misunderstand Nazism”. Let’s see if we get it clear once for all!

    (A) The Conservatives, in any country, are no more than wealthy White-trash who prefer the society of Jews instead that of their own kind who are not rich. For them there is nothing more off-putting than poverty, and nothing more embarrassing than the society of working class people. The German Conservatives feared and, most of them, hated Hitler and his Movement from the very beginning. They never saw (how could they!) the greatness and nobility of the idea that proclaimed a new Germany where there will be no class distinctions and only one aristocracy: the aristocracy of the workers (that is: the real producers of wealth)! They supported Hitler because they were even more scared of the Communists, but when the moment to abandon the ship came (in 1944) they really showed their true colours with their coward and pathetic attempt to assassinate the Führer. Looking back to those days I regretted many times the fact that the Communists did not came power in Germany in 1933. In that case, those treacherous bastards, the corrupted “aristocracy” and his wealthy friends, would have received the well-deserved treatment that Hitler failed to administrate. Those who have been shown mercy are seldom grateful for it. They will buy their time and then, when the magnanimous sovereign has fallen from his horse they will stab him. The case of Mussolini is even more telling. In his late political writings of 1944, after his rescue by the commandos of the Waffen-SS under Otto Skorzeny, the Italian leader said: “The Fascism had paid with its downfall the unforgivable sin of not carrying out to its limits a true revolutionary and totalitarian policy after achieving the control of the Italian state”. Not only he did not strike down the corrupt, Masonic, pro-jewish and Anglophile, Italian royal family; but he allowed them a share in the government. In the victorious “March over Rome” of 1922 were already the seeds of the downfall in 1943. His great countryman Niccolo Machiavelli had said: “Don’t put your trust in princes” he may as well have added: “or in conservatives”. The Conservatives do not misunderstood or misunderstand the National-Socialism. They hated it! And they always will; because they have chosen to share the boat with the Jews who allowed them to keep their luxurious mansions and servants (preferably non-White; they are cheaper!) in exchange for political power.

    (B) In the same article its author says that socialism is a leftist concept, and that Hitler used the word to win over the German workers. That's again, traditional ignorance born out of a typical “conservative” viewpoint. There is nothing wrong with socialism as a system that guarantees and preserves the rights and dignity of the workers. The socialism of Adolf Hitler is the true socialism. The jewish concoction known as Marxism is a false road that leads to nowhere but hunger, misery and, finally, to death. Within his limitations as a member of the academical establishment of the late XIX century, that is a conservative at heart, Oswald Spengler hit the nail in the head when he said that the so-glorified “socialism” of the liberal and Marxist clubs was a fake based upon intellectual fantasies of wealthy middle class do-gooders. The real socialism, as he said, was already in existence for centuries. In the medieval military orders and guilds where the welfare of the community/order was above that of individuals. He even went on to analyze its peculiar character within the German nation in his pamphlet “Prussian Socialism” There he exposes the theory that the peculiar and organic form of socialism developed through centuries by the German people receives its definitive form in the Prussian State, where “the King is nothing but the first servant of the State” and “the first duty of every citizen is to serve the State” as Frederick the Great wrote. This typically Prussian ideal of selfless and unquestioning service to the State=Nation=People=Community is the cornerstone of an ethical principle that Hitler will revive and put in practice with all the power and efficiency of a modern, totalitarian, state. In fact, Hitler is the restorer of an old order based in the supremacy of the community over the individual. A liberal German “historian” said that “the National-Socialism had deep roots in the ancestral memory of the German people, therefore its glorification of the old, classless German society, of the Middle Ages”. One of the most clear and noble expressions of the new, genuine, socialism of the Third Reich, was its movement called “Kraft durch Freude” (Strength through Joy) where for the very first, and last, time in European history a government built a fleet of elegant cruisers for the enjoyment of its workers. Instead of the obnoxious and humiliating Anglo-American class-system, the German liners of the Third Reich were “classless”. That very revealing detail, together with some beautiful images showing the restrained elegance of their rooms, was mentioned in an episode of the miniseries “The Great Liners” shown here in Australia on the ABC channel. That was Aryan Socialism!. There is no need to be ashamed of the word Socialism, neither to make excuses for its use. With Adolf Hitler Germany recovered a sense of social justice and harmony forgotten a long time ago. National-Socialism means real social justice based on the performance of the individual within the community and his attitude towards the community. With justifiable pride Adolf Hitler would point out at the superb performance of the German youth in the Olympic Games of 1936 as a consequence of his social policy. “The English reserved all the privileges and facilities of their educational system to a minority and their performance in the Olympics showed it. In their sporting fields only the upper classes are allowed, here the whole people has a chance to show their skill and strength” (“Hitler’s Table Talk” by Heim and Picker)

    As Maguire and Robert rightly observed, National-Socialism is a point of departure. Unfortunately many people still believe that is possible, or even mandatory, to recreate the Third Reich. Get real!. The most important things for a viable future political activity is to get some basic points very clear. We are not “Nazis”. We are National-Socialists; that means that we give priority to an idea of the State/Nation based on the principles of racial purity, national=racial awareness based in a common culture and traditions and, finally, a system of social justice where the dignity and rights of the workers are protected and there is no room for the capitalist parasites who put individual gains above and ahead of those of the community. The greatest crime that the White man could have ever committed was to forget its racial identity and the importance of it. The second act of treason against Himself was to worship the God of the Jews (Money), that led to His destruction as a healthy, homogeneous, social entity; the principle of “class distinction” took deep roots and divided brothers and sisters. What happened in Germany during those few glorious years was a brief pause in a long struggle. We cannot go back, but we can, and we must, learn from the past. There is no future if we hang to the past in a romantic, idealized way. The SS and the SA were the manifestation of a unique moment in the history of the German people; a moment that cannot be repeated. Its all right to get emotional listening to their beautiful songs, but lets get real and practical. We are the White men of the XXI century, we have to earn a place for us and our children and we are in a very hostile environment; there is no room for flags, standards and beautiful uniforms. As von Moltke “the Elder” said: “Is very important for a soldier to have a cool head as well as a warm heart”. Lest we forget!

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    The Conservatives, in any country, are no more than wealthy White-trash who prefer the society of Jews instead that of their own kind who are not rich. For them there is nothing more off-putting than poverty, and nothing more embarrassing than the society of working class people. The German Conservatives feared and, most of them, hated Hitler and his Movement from the very beginning. They never saw (how could they!) the greatness and nobility of the idea that proclaimed a new Germany where there will be no class distinctions and only one aristocracy: the aristocracy of the workers (that is: the real producers of wealth)! They supported Hitler because they were even more scared of the Communists, but when the moment to abandon the ship came (in 1944) they really showed their true colours with their coward and pathetic attempt to assassinate the Führer.
    Very, very true; I am repulsed by wealthy Whites, such as some members of my family x_nono who prefer the company of pretentious, materialistic and arrogant Jews, to the company of honest, decent White farmers and workers. These people serve no higher principle, and have no loyalty to their race, nation and kin; they worship the god of money alone. They are scum.

    In the same article its author says that socialism is a leftist concept, and that Hitler used the word to win over the German workers. That's again, traditional ignorance born out of a typical “conservative” viewpoint. There is nothing wrong with socialism as a system that guarantees and preserves the rights and dignity of the workers. The socialism of Adolf Hitler is the true socialism. The jewish concoction known as Marxism is a false road that leads to nowhere but hunger, misery and, finally, to death.
    Hear, hear!!!! This is an outstanding article that you have found, and I agree completely with everything in it.

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    BENITO MUSSOLINI - DOCTRINE OF FASCISM



    1. Like every sound political conception, Fascism is both practice and thought; action in which a doctrine is immanent, and a doctrine which, arising out of a given system of historical forces, remains embedded in them and works there from within. Hence it has a form correlative to the contingencies of place and time, but it has also a content of thought which raises it to a formula of truth in the higher level of the history of thought. In the world one does not act spiritually as a human will dominating other wills without a conception of the transient and particular reality under which it is necessary to act, and of the permanent and universal reality in which the first has its being and its life. In order to know men it is necessary to know man; and in order to know man it is necessary to know reality and its laws. There is no concept of the State which is not fundamentally a concept of life: philosophy or intuition, a system of ideas which develops logically or is gathered up into a vision or into a faith, but which is always, at least virtually, an organic conception of the world.


    2. Thus Fascism could not be understood in many of its practical manifestations as a party organization, as a system of education, as a discipline, if it were not always looked at in the light of its whole way of conceiving life, a spiritualized way. The world seen through Fascism is not this material world which appears on the surface, in which man is an individual separated from all others and standing by himself, and in which he is governed by a natural law that makes him instinctively live a life of selfish and momentary pleasure. The man of Fascism is an individual who is nation and fatherland, which is a moral law, binding together individuals and the generations into a tradition and a mission, suppressing the instinct of a life enclosed within the brief round of pleasure in order to restore within duty a higher life free from the limits of time and space: a life in which the individual, through the denial of himself, through the sacrifice of his own private interests, through death itself, realizes that completely spiritual existence in which his value as a man lies.


    3. Therefore it is a spiritualized conception, itself the result of the general reaction of modern times against the flabby materialistic positivism of the nineteenth century. Anti-positivistic, but positive: not skeptical, nor agnostic, nor pessimistic, nor passively optimistic, as are, in general, the doctrines (all negative) that put the center of life outside man, who with his free will can and must create his own world. Fascism desires an active man, one engaged in activity with all his energies: it desires a man virilely conscious of the difficulties that exist in action and ready to face them. It conceives of life as a struggle, considering that it behoves man to conquer for himself that life truly worthy of him, creating first of all in himself the instrument (physical, moral, intellectual) in order to construct it. Thus for the single individual, thus for the nation, thus for humanity. Hence the high value of culture in all its forms (art, religion, science), and the enormous importance of education. Hence also the essential value of work, with which man conquers nature and creates the human world (economic, political, moral, intellectual).


    4. This positive conception of life is clearly an ethical conception. It covers the whole of reality, not merely the human activity which controls it. No action can be divorced from moral judgment; there is nothing in the world which can be deprived of the value which belongs to everything in its relation to moral ends. Life, therefore, as conceived by the Fascist, is serious, austere, religious: the whole of it is poised in a world supported by the moral and responsible forces of the spirit. The Fascist disdains the "comfortable" life.


    5. Fascism is a religious conception in which man is seen in his immanent relationship with a superior law and with an objective Will that transcends the particular individual and raises him to conscious membership of a spiritual society .Whoever has seen in the religious politics of the Fascist regime nothing but mere opportunism has not understood that Fascism besides being a system of government is also, and above all, a system of thought.


    6. Fascism is an historical conception, in which man is what he is only in so far as he works with the spiritual process in which he finds himself, in the family or social group, in the nation and in the history in which all nations collaborate. From this follows the great value of tradition, in memories, in languages, in customs, in the standards of social life. Outside history man is nothing. Consequently Fascism is opposed to all the individualistic abstractions of a materialistic nature like those of the eighteenth century and it is opposed to all Jacobin utopias and innovations. It does not consider that "happiness" is possible upon earth, as it appeared to be in the desire of the economic literature of the eighteenth century, and hence it rejects all teleological theories according to which mankind would reach a definitive stabilized condition at a certain period in history. This implies putting oneself outside history and life, which is a continual change and coming to be. Politically, Fascism wishes to be a realistic doctrine; practically, it aspires to solve only the problems which arise historically of themselves and that of themselves find or suggest their own solution. To act among men, as to act in the natural world, it is necessary to enter into the process of reality and to master the already operating forces.


    7. Against individualism, the Fascist conception is for the State; and it is for the individual in so far as he coincides with the State, which is the conscience and universal will of man in his historical existence. It is opposed to classical Liberalism, which arose from the necessity of reacting against absolutism, and which brought its historical purpose to an end when the State was transformed into the conscience and will of the people. Liberalism denied the State in the interests of the particular individual; Fascism reaffirms the State as the true reality of the individual. And if liberty is to be the attribute of the real man, and not of that abstract puppet envisaged by individualistic Liberalism, Fascism is for liberty. And for the only liberty which can be a real thing, the liberty of the State and of the individual within the State, therefore, for the Fascist, everything is in the State, and nothing human or spiritual exists, much less has value, outside the State. In this sense Fascism is totalitarian, and the Fascist State, the synthesis and unity of all values, interprets, develops and gives strength to the whole life of the people.


    8. Outside the State there can be neither individuals nor groups (political parties, associations, syndicates, classes). Therefore Fascism is opposed to Socialism, which confines the movement of history within the class struggle and ignores the unity of classes established in one economic and moral reality in the State; and analogously it is opposed to class syndicalism. Fascism recognizes the real exigencies for which the socialist and syndicalist movement arose, but while recognizing them wishes to bring them under the control of the State and give them a purpose within the corporative system of interests reconciled within the unity of the State.


    9. Individuals form classes according to the similarity of their interests, they form syndicates according to differentiated economic activities within these interests; but they form first, and above all, the State, which is not to be thought of numerically as the sum-total of individuals forming the majority of a nation. And consequently Fascism is opposed to Democracy, which equates the nation to the majority, lowering it to the level of that majority; nevertheless it is the purest form of democracy if the nation is conceived, as it should be, qualitatively and not quantitatively, as the most powerful idea (most powerful because most moral, most coherent, most true) which acts within the nation as the conscience and the will of a few, even of One, which ideal tends to become active within the conscience and the will of all-that is to say, of all those who rightly constitute a nation by reason of nature, history or race, and have set out upon the same line of development and spiritual formation as one conscience and one sole will. Not a race, nor a geographically determined region, but as a community historically perpetuating itself, a multitude unified by a single idea, which is the will to existence and to power: consciousness of itself, personality.


    10. Above all, Fascism, in so far as it considers and observes the future and the development of humanity quite apart from the political considerations of the moment, believes neither in the possibility nor in the utility of perpetual peace. It thus repudiates the doctrine of Pacifism-born of a renunciation of the struggle and an act of cowardice in the face of sacrifice. War alone brings up to their highest tension all human energies and puts the stamp of nobility upon the peoples who have the courage to meet it. All other trials are substitutes, which never really put a man in front of himself in the alternative of life and death. A doctrine, therefore, which begins with a prejudice in favor of peace is foreign to Fascism; as are foreign to the spirit of Fascism, even though acceptable by reason of the utility which they might have in given political situations, all internationalistic and socialistic systems which, as history proves, can be blown to the winds when emotional, idealistic and practical movements storm the hearts of peoples. Fascism carries over this anti-pacifist spirit even into the lives of the individuals.
    The proud motto of the Squadrista, "Me ne frego", [I have no fear] written on the bandages of a wound is an act of philosophy which is not only stoical, it is the epitome of a doctrine that is not only political: it is education for combat, the acceptance of the risks which it brings; it is a new way of life for Italy. Thus the Fascist accepts and loves life, he knows nothing of suicide and despises it; he looks on life as duty, ascent, conquest: life which must be noble and full: lived for oneself, but above all for those others near and far away, present and future.


    11. The "demographic" policy of the regime follows from these premises. Even the Fascist does in fact love his neighbor, but this "neighbor" is not for him a vague and ill-defined concept; love for one's neighbor does not exclude necessary educational severities, and still less differentiations and distances. Fascism rejects universal concord, and, since it lives in the community of civilized peoples, it keeps them vigilantly and suspiciously before its eyes, it follows their states of mind and the changes in their interests and it does not let itself be deceived by temporary and fallacious appearances.


    12. Such a conception of life makes Fascism the precise negation of that doctrine which formed the basis of the so-called Scientific or Marxian Socialism: the doctrine of historical Materialism, according to which the history of human civilizations can be explained only as the struggle of interest between the different social groups and as arising out of change in the means and instruments of production. That economic improvements-discoveries of raw materials, new methods of work, scientific inventions- should have an importance of their own, no one denies, but that they should suffice to explain human history to the exclusion of all other factors is absurd: Fascism believes, now and always, in holiness and in heroism, that is in acts in which no economic motive-remote or immediate-plays a part. With this negation of historical materialism, according to which men would be only by-products of history , who appear and disappear on the surface of the waves while in the depths the real directive forces are at work, there is also denied the immutable and irreparable "class struggle" which is the natural product of this economic conception of history , and above all it is denied that the class struggle can be the primary agent of social changes. Socialism, being thus wounded in these two primary tenets of its doctrine, nothing of it is left save the sentimental aspiration-old as humanity -towards a social order in which the sufferings and the pains of the humblest folk could be alleviated. But here Fascism rejects the concept of an economic "happiness" which would be realized socialistically and almost automatically at a given moment of economic evolution by assuring to all a maximum prosperity. Fascism denies the possibility of the materialistic conception of "happiness" and leaves it to the economists of the first half of the eighteenth century; it denies, that is, the equation of prosperity with happiness, which would transform men into animals with one sole preoccupation: that of being well-fed and fat, degraded in consequence to a merely physical existence.


    13. After Socialism, Fascism attacks the whole complex of democratic ideologies and rejects them both in their theoretical premises and in their applications or practical manifestations. Fascism denies that the majority, through the mere fact of being a majority, can rule human societies; it denies that this majority can govern by means of a periodical consultation; it affirms the irremediable, fruitful and beneficent inequality of men, who cannot be leveled by such a mechanical and extrinsic fact as universal suffrage. By democratic regimes we mean those in which from time to time the people is given the illusion of being sovereign, while true effective sovereignty lies in other, perhaps irresponsible and secret, forces. Democracy is a regime without a king, but with very many kings, perhaps more exclusive, tyrannical and violent than one king even though a tyrant. This explains why Fascism, although before 1922 for reasons of expediency it made a gesture of republicanism, renounced it before the March on Rome, convinced that the question of the political forms of a State is not preeminent to-day, and that studying past and present monarchies, past and present Republics it becomes clear that monarchy and republic are not to be judged, but represent forms in which the political evolution, the history, the tradition, the psychology of a given country are manifested. Now Fascism overcomes the antithesis between monarchy and republic which retarded the movements of democracy, burdening the former with every defect and defending the latter as the regime of perfection. Now it has been seen that there are inherently reactionary and absolutistic republics, and monarchies that welcome the most daring political and social innovations.


    14. In face of Liberal doctrines, Fascism takes up an attitude of absolute opposition both in the field of politics and in that of economics. But the Fascist repudiations of Socialism, Democracy, Liberalism must not make one think that Fascism wishes to make the world return to what it was before 1789, the year which has been indicated as the year of the beginning of the liberal-democratic age. One does not go backwards. Monarchical absolutism is a thing of the past and so also is every theocracy. So also feudal privileges and division into impenetrable and isolated castes have had their day. The theory of Fascist authority has nothing to do with the police State. A party that governs a nation in a totalitarian way is a new fact in history. References and comparisons are not possible. Fascism takes over from the ruins of Liberal Socialistic democratic doctrines those elements which still have a living value. It preserves those that can be called the established facts of history, it rejects all the rest, that is to say the idea of a doctrine which holds good for all times and all peoples. If it is admitted that the nineteenth century has been the century of Socialism, Liberalism and Democracy, it does not follow that the twentieth must also be the century of Liberalism, Socialism and Democracy. Political doctrines pass; peoples remain. It is to be expected that this century may be that of authority, a century of the "Right," a Fascist century .If the nineteenth was the century of the individual (Liberalism means individualism) it may be expected that this one may be the century of "collectivism" and therefore the century of the State. That a new doctrine should use the still vital elements of other doctrines is perfectly logical. No doctrine is born quite new, shining, never before seen. No doctrine can boast of an absolute "originality." It is bound, even if only historically, to other doctrines that have been, and to develop into other doctrines that will be. ...Every doctrine tends to direct the activity of men towards a determined objective; but the activity of man reacts upon the doctrine, transforms it, adapts it to new necessities or transcends it. The doctrine itself, therefore, must be, not words, but an act of life. Hence, the pragmatic veins in Fascism, its will to power, its will to be, its attitude in the face of the fact of "violence" and of its own courage.


    15. The Fascist State is a will to power and to govern. In it the tradition of Rome is an idea that has force. In the doctrine of Fascism Empire is not only a territorial, military or mercantile expression, but spiritual or moral. One can think of an empire, that is to say a nation that directly or indirectly leads other nations, without needing to conquer a single square kilometer of territory. For Fascism the tendency to Empire, that is to say, to the expansion of nations, is a manifestation of vitality; its opposite, staying at home, is a sign of decadence: peoples who rise or re-rise are imperialist, peoples who die are renunciatory. Fascism is the doctrine that is most fitted to represent the aims, the states of mind, of a people, like the Italian people, rising again after many centuries of abandonment or slavery to foreigners. But Empire calls for discipline, co-ordination of forces, duty and sacrifice; this explains many aspects of the practical working of the regime and the direction of many of the forces of the State and the necessary severity shown to those who would wish to oppose this spontaneous and destined impulse of the Italy of the twentieth century, to oppose it in the name of the superseded ideologies of the nineteenth, repudiated whatever great experiments of political and social transformation have been courageously attempted: especially where, as now, people thirst for authority , for leadership, for order. If every age has its own doctrine, it is apparent from a thousand signs that the doctrine of the present age is Fascism. That it is a doctrine of life is shown by the fact that it has resuscitated a faith. That this faith has conquered minds is proved by the fact that Fascism has had its dead and its martyrs.
    Fascism henceforward has in the world the universality of all those doctrines which, by fulfilling themselves, have significance in the history of the human spirit.



    The Doctrine of Fascism was written in 1932.
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    A really fascinating essay... Mussolini had a lot of good ideas... he just failed to comprehend the Jewish menace to its full extent, and was a poor wartime administrator. I still respect his system of government and his accomplishments.
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    I read it all. Fascism has its good points, but unfortunately it is not based on Racial grounds. It is basically Statism.

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    I am a Millitant National Socialist but I do believe in some of the principles of Fascism such as Totalitarianism and Military dictatorship.

    HEIL HITLER!!!
    "Only the dead have seen the end of war"-Plato

    "I have seen war, I have seen death, I have seen the waste of our nations fine soldiers in the insanity of the evil of men. I can only pray that our enemies shall be mercifull in their conquest of our fine nation, and may she live on past this and every other war that shall come."- Field Marshall, Erwin Rommel

    "For love of the breed"

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    Post Fascism: What is it?

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    Fascist people worth researching:

    Benito Mussolini
    Ezra Pound
    Sir Oswald Mosley

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    Fascism: What is it?

    Accomplishments of Fascist Italy.
    Quotes by fascists / applied to fascism.
    Mussolini's Doctrine of Fascism.

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    Accomplishments:

    -- Mussolini gave the Vatican independence.

    -- Revamped Railways to make trains run on time.

    -- Under Fascism the educational system of Italy had been entirely remodelled.

    -- Under Mussolini the schools were defined as being "spiritual, intellectual, æsthetic and practical". Students were taught that being a farmer or a mechanic was everybit as noble an occupation as being a lawyer, doctor or teacher.

    -- Massive excavation of the ancient Roman port of Ostia. Though brutal by today's archaeological standards, it revealed much of the ancient city in a matter of a few years and added immensely to our knowledge of ancient Rome.

    -- In the marshy areas of Italy mosquitoes spread malaria, which was one of the chief causes of deaths in that country, and kept over a quarter million people constantly on the sick list. Swamps were drained where necessary and the others were stocked with little fishes which ate up the mosquito larvae and checked their multiplication.

    -- By 1925 Mussolini and the Fascist government increased the importation of agriculture machinery by 400% over the 1922 figures and it was even higher in 1926. In many districts Wheat seed, drawn from old, tired out strains, could not with the best of cultivation, give good crops. So Mussolini had the old seed replaced with more vigorous strains from the hill country. The move worked and Italy became self sufficient in supplying its own wheat. The Fascist government set up grain committees in each province to educate work in regard to seed cultivation and fertilizers. They also built new roads to develop farming districts.

    -- Children were forbidden tobacco products before the age of fifteen.

    -- Any bar knowingly serving alcohol to minors had their establishment smashed and a little corporal punishment administered to the offending proprietor and or bartender by a squad of Black Shirts, as crude as it may sound, it kept court costs down and the repetitive rate of offenses low.

    -- Gambling casinos were also forbidden and the state instituted a lottery system to fulfil a person's desire to gamble while at the same time providing a source of income to the nation for social services.

    -- Mussolini's Fascist regime was the first to eliminate organized crime (the mafia) and the immorality they fostered.

    -- Rearmamed Italy

    -- Reduced Unemployment

    Quotations

    Mussolini:
    All within the state, nothing outside the state, nothing against the state.

    Socialism is a fraud, a comedy, a phantom, a blackmail.

    "The socialists ask what is our program? Our program is to smash the skulls of the socialists."

    The truth is that men are tired of liberty.

    Blood alone moves the wheels of history.

    "It is better to live one day as a lion, than a hundred years as a sheep."

    "If I advance, follow me. If I retreat, kill me. If I die, avenge me."

    "Believe, Obey, Fight!"

    "If every age has its own characteristic doctrine, there are a thousand signs which point to fascism as the characteristic doctrine of our time."

    The Liberal State is a mask behind which there is no face; it is a scaffolding behind which there is no building.

    "War is to man as maternity is to woman."

    "Against individualism, the Fascist conception is for the State ... Liberalism denied the State in the interests of the particular individual; Fascism reaffirms the State as the true reality of the individual."

    "Given that the nineteenth century was the century of Socialism, of Liberalism, and of Democracy, it does not necessarily follow that the twentieth century must also be a century of Socialism, Liberalism and Democracy: political doctrines pass, but humanity remains, and it may rather be expected that this will be a century of authority ... a century of Fascism. For if the nineteenth century was a century of individualism it may be expected that this will be the century of collectivism and hence the century of the State."

    "Another weapon I discovered early was the power of the printed word to sway souls to me. The newspaper was soon my gun, my flag - a thing with a soul that could mirror my own."

    Mosley:
    "There are periods in history when change is necessary, and other periods when it is better to keep everything for the time as it is. The art of life is to be in the rhythm of your age."

    Great men of action . . . never mind on occasion being ridiculous; in a sense it is part of their job, and at times they all are. A prophet or an achiever must never mind an occasional absurdity, it is an occupational risk.

    Ideas in a void have never appealed to me; action must follow thought or political life is meaningless.

    Pound:
    "Usury is the cancer of the world, which only the surgeon's knife of Fascism can cut out of the life of the nation."

    Real education must ultimately be limited to men who insist on knowing, the rest is mere sheep-herding.

    Washington:
    "Government is not reason; it is not eloquence; it is force! Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master." - George Washington.

    Associate yourself with men of good quality if you esteem your own reputation for 'tis better to be alone than in bad company.

    "Mankind, when left to themselves, are unfit for their own government."

    "I have always given it as my decided opinion that no nation has a right to intermeddle in the internal concerns of another; that every one has a right to form and adopt whatever government they liked best to live under themselves; and that if this country could, consistently with its engagements, maintain a strict neutrality and thereby preserve peace, it was bound to do so by motives of policy, interest, and every other consideration."

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    On Myth

    The following statement is embedded in a speech delivered by Mussolini at Naples, October 24, 1912:

    WE HAVE created our myth. The myth is a faith, it is passion. It is not necessary that it shall be a reality. It is a reality by the fact that it is a good, a hope, a faith, that it is courage. Our myth is the Nation, our myth is the greatness of the Nation! And to this myth, to this grandeur, that we wish to translate into a complete reality, we subordinate all the rest.

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    Interesting thread Johnson.
    The fascism as ideology has a many constructive points. However it lacks a strong racial memento. That handicap was IMHO the reason of its downfall. Mussolini (which was in my eyes a great leader and a great historical person) almost had to pay that mistake with his life. Because the Italian state was not so anti Semite like the Third Reich. Jews was also the members of the Fascist party- which led to the rebellion of the party against the Duce.
    The first sparks of racialist ideas was borrowed from German National Socialism, but unfortunately never had the more prominent role. Some Jews was even protected by Mussolini.

    Here are some good points on the subject taken from SS Booklet on Racial Policy;


    "It is necessary to make a clear distinction between the Mediterranean peoples of Europe on the one side and the Oriental and African peoples on the other.:


    "The Jews are of non-Italian blood."


    "The pure European physical and spiritual traits of the Italians may not be altered. The pure European character of the Italians will be changed by mixing with any other non-European race, which is the carrier of a culture other than the ancient Aryan culture."

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    Racial laws were only implimented because of pressure from Germany. Mussolini also was hesitant to hand over italy's jews to Himmler.

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    Originally posted by Blackshirt
    Racial laws were only implimented because of pressure from Germany. Mussolini also was hesitant to hand over italy's jews to Himmler.
    It's interesting because no "italian" jews were killed by Il Duce. However, he wasn't hesistant to kill jews in Libya, Ethopia or in Greece. The cornerstone of mussolini's fascism was not anti-semitism but the rebuilding of the Roman Empire. I truely believe the "italian" jews had something to do with the downfall of Il Duce. We Italian nationalists learned of our mistake. Jews-OUT

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