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    Post Classify Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

    Arguably Johann Wolfgang von Goethe is the greatest german ever. (Or at least according to sociological research among modern germans)
    What is his sub-race?


    1814. Köln, Wallraff-Richartz-Museum






    Younger:



    Imo hes dinaric + alpine.

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    Post Classify Goethe

    "Johann Wolfgang von Goethe (1749-1832) has come to be generally recognized as one of the greatest and most versatile European writers and thinkers of modern times. He is probably the most outstanding of German writers, perhaps to German literature what Shakespeare is to English. He is best known for his lyrical poetry, for the far-reaching influence of his novels, and particularly for his dramatic poem Faust, however Goethe also made substantial contributions to biology and to the history and philosophy of science.

    For ten years a leading political figure, Goethe was an acute observer of the great social and intellectual revolutions of the late 18th century and one of the earliest thinkers to explore the implications of the Industrial Revolution. Goethe's major significance, however, is as an extremely sensitive and vulnerable individual who struggled through a wide range of human crises and left a critical record of this experience."

    "Goethe's IQ was predicted to be 210."

    When I posted his skull for classification, it was guessed (via reputation) that he was Danubian (Mediterranoid) or Asiatic (which can be ruled out so far), not white so to speak.

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    Post AW: Classify Goethe

    Dinaric
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    Post Re: Classify Goethe

    Yes Dinaric the profilshot shows all


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    Post Re: Classify Goethe

    His occiput is not flat and his skull not short enough for him to be Dinarid proper:




    The paintings suggest, in addition, a significant Faelid/UP element.
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    Post Re: Classify Goethe

    I'd say north atlantid, faelid intermediate. The Faelid element seems obvious in the black and white paintings, especially the younger painting of him, In that one i'd say he looks Faelid with classic nordic admixture.

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    Post Re: Classify Goethe

    I'm guessing the younger black and white picture is heavily stylized to make him more the dashing, young German man. I could be wrong, but it seems like a lot of famous personages get this treatment in the Romantic Era. The people look completely different from one depiction to the next, because many of the drawings have been made to make the person look more attractive. Of course, this may also be attributed to a faster aging process. So who knows.

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    Post Re: Classify Goethe

    Hmm... but, the Dinaric skull matches almost everything else, except the flattened occupit.

    Goethe's face seems also to be a bit 'shorter' than the
    Dinaric skull. I guess the shape of the skull and it's smoothness
    could be something like Dinaric+Alpine.

    If he was part faelid, I'd expect him to be at least a bit rugged,
    with brow-ridges at least.

    On the paintings, he does look a bit Borreby/UP/Faelid and like an Armenoid ( in some paintings )
    ( as his eyes aren't as deep-set as what is common with Dinarics ).

    But, the skull seems to be a smoothed-out Dinaric skull with the brain-case
    'tapered' a bit to the rear.

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    Post Goethe, Johann Wolfgang von

    1749 - 1832

    Dichter und Denker

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    Noric-Alpine. His father looked Alpine, but it could also be Faelid.

    As Frédéric Soret observed, Goethe's irises were brown with broad blue edges (central heterochromia). This is why Stieler (1828) and Schwerdgeburth (1832) depicted him with bluish eyes.

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