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    Post AW: Re: AW: Re: AW: Hitler and the Occult

    [QUOTE=Taras Bulba]Here's a an article dealing with Crowley's involvements with British intelligence.

    Interesting Article, show many things in a new light in the case of Hess.
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    Adolf Hitler nach Beendigung des Frankreich-Feldzuges in einem Gespräch mit seinem Architekten Prof. Hermann Giesler, Giesler: "Ein anderer Hitler", Seite 395



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    Post Re: AW: Re: AW: Re: AW: Hitler and the Occult

    Quote Originally Posted by Mjölnr

    Interesting Article, show many things in a new light in the case of Hess.
    They didnt mention that the British knew ahead of time that Hess was flying to England, thats recently been revealed. And Crowley was an agent during WW2, not just in the pre-war years.

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    Post Re: Hitler and the Occult

    Quote Originally Posted by TisaAnne
    The only real occultist NS leader was Heinrich Himmler who was quite a nut. Many weird esoteric ideas about runes, rebirth, astrology, fortune-telling and so on circled in his head but this often was ridiculed behind his back, even by Hitler himself (mostly in his table talks). Tabloid writers nowadays always bring up this stories about evil occult NS since such things sell much better than pointing out the true story but there really isn´t much to it.
    Utter nonsense.

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    Post Re: Hitler and the Occult

    Quote Originally Posted by Grimr
    Utter nonsense.
    Seriously mate, you could provide a more illuminating criticism of TisaAnnes post than that, a 2 word dismissal with no prove or argument is lazy to say the least.

    Why do you think this is utter Nonsense?
    Last edited by green nationalist; Saturday, December 4th, 2004 at 04:33 PM.

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    Post AW: Re: Hitler and the Occult

    Quote Originally Posted by Grimr
    Utter nonsense.
    Read Goodrick-Clarkes book "The Occult Roots of National Socialism" before spitting out utter nonsense.
    There were quite some esoterical ideas "spooking" around in various national socialist leaders heads, but they didn't have any large effect on the way which national socialism took.
    Reichsführer SS Heinrich Himmler had many occult ideas. My personal opinion is that he most probably wasn't as nerdy as many people who got to knew him described him (not to speak of those who never spoke a word to him and talked / wrote in a bad manner about him decades later). One should take into account that Himmler read many books, essays and so on on occult matters for years and that there will have been few people around him who had occult knowledge on a similar level. That is why I presume that Himmler's occult side "scared" many people simply because they were not able to understand it. AFAIK, Himmler was also into Hörbiger's "Glacialkosmogonie", Welteislehre (world ice theory) which was strongly rejected by established scientists. Getting into world ice theory alone takes amounts of time. Now think about all the other "special things" in which Himmler was interested and then ask yourself how many people there were who had enough background knowledge to really understand what was going on instead of just labelling him as a weirdo.

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    I have talked to a few old folks who studied with Heinrich Himmler (all but one deceased by now). They confirmed that they all found him to be extremely odd. In the Munich fraternities Himmler was the butt of every joke and even the convent protocols of the Munich Waffenring confirm this quite drastically.
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    Post AW: Re: Hitler and the Occult

    Quote Originally Posted by Phlegethon
    I have talked to a few old folks who studied with Heinrich Himmler (all but one deceased by now). They confirmed that they all found him to be extremely odd. In the Munich fraternities Himmler was the butt of every joke and even the convent protocols of the Munich Waffenring confirm this quite drastically.
    Quite interesting. Excuse my ignorance, but what was the Münchner Waffenring? A convent / Burschenschaft?

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    Regarding Himmler's oddity I didn't mean to state that he was pretty normal in my previous post - I just tried to find a reason for people labelling him weirdo due to his occult affections!
    Last edited by Wissen ist Macht; Saturday, December 4th, 2004 at 06:07 PM.

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    The Thule Society was a diverse bunch of people. Some had occult ideas such as Dietrich Eckhart for instance. Some did not and were most interested in the overthrow of the socialist governments then in Berlin and Munich. But let's leave the Thule people out of this discussion for now.

    The Nazi party was a very, very diverse group of people, much more so than the Thule people. Beyond actually party operatives were consultants and advisors who may or may not have been actual party members but contributed to the philosophy of the part. Many of these types were close to Hitler and most, outside the military, had occult connections. Examples are Rudolf Hess, Prof. Karl Haushoffer, Heinrich Himmler, Reinhardt Heydrich, Viktor Schauberger, Karl Maria Willigutt, to name some. The Nazi Party was actually more diverse than the Ameircan Republican Party and within the Republican Party a major wing forms an occult influence group. We know them as the Christian Fundamentalists but one man's occult is simply another man's religion.

    If anyone doubts the tremendous occult influence on Nazism, all that need be presented is Himmler's castle at Wewelsberg, the SS home-base. It is full of occult significance but all you have to see is the picture of the mosaic on the floor (basement) of the rotunda there. It is a stylized swastika in the form of the Black Sun---just like the diagram on Wissen ist Macht's avatar. This Black Sun was one unofficial religion within Nazi Germany, the others of course being the race and culture (blood and soil concept).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Solar Wolff
    The Thule Society was a diverse bunch of people. Some had occult ideas such as Dietrich Eckhart for instance. Some did not and were most interested in the overthrow of the socialist governments then in Berlin and Munich. But let's leave the Thule people out of this discussion for now.

    The Nazi party was a very, very diverse group of people, much more so than the Thule people. Beyond actually party operatives were consultants and advisors who may or may not have been actual party members but contributed to the philosophy of the part. Many of these types were close to Hitler and most, outside the military, had occult connections. Examples are Rudolf Hess, Prof. Karl Haushoffer, Heinrich Himmler, Reinhardt Heydrich, Viktor Schauberger, Karl Maria Willigutt, to name some. The Nazi Party was actually more diverse than the Ameircan Republican Party and within the Republican Party a major wing forms an occult influence group. We know them as the Christian Fundamentalists but one man's occult is simply another man's religion.

    If anyone doubts the tremendous occult influence on Nazism, all that need be presented is Himmler's castle at Wewelsberg, the SS home-base. It is full of occult significance but all you have to see is the picture of the mosaic on the floor (basement) of the rotunda there. It is a stylized swastika in the form of the Black Sun---just like the diagram on Wissen ist Macht's avatar. This Black Sun was one unofficial religion within Nazi Germany, the others of course being the race and culture (blood and soil concept).
    Dr. Solar Wolff,
    I can only agree partly with this post of yours.
    Sure, many national socialist leaders had occult interests and took place in occult practices and / or societies but the overall occult influence on national socialism is - IMHO - rather small.
    True that the Wewelsberg had deep spiritual meaning - not for nothing it was ment to become the ideological and philosophical center of the Schutzstaffel. But I definetely stand opposed to your conclusion that the black sun was something like an unofficial religion because it simply was not known to anyone besides a handful of very high SS leaders and the Reichsführer as well as the personnel of the castle. I think that it could have become some kind of religion later on - at least in the SS - but as history took another course we will never know for sure...

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