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  • If we do things the correct way now, we will achieve self-determination before any apocalyptic breakdown

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  • If we do things the correct way now, we might achieve self-determination before any apocalyptic breakdown, and even if the breakdown occurs, we still have a chance at self-determination (made possible only because we did things correctly before the breakdown)

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  • Even if we do things incorrectly now, we still can achieve self-determination after the inevitable apocalyptic breakdown

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  • If an apocalyptic breakdown does occur, we will never achieve self-determination

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  • There is nothing that we can possibly do now to achieve self-determination prior to an apocalyptic breakdown, but if we do things the correct way both before and after the breakdown, we can achieve self-determination after the breakdown

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  • There is nothing that we can possibly do to ever achieve self-determination

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Thread: What does the future hold?

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    Post What does the future hold?

    [Actually, a flow chart would be better, but the poll does not allow that format.]

    What do you think is within the realm of possibility and what do you think will actually happen with this most important of issues? It seems that more and more people are accepting the notion that we have to wait for a post-apocalyptic "rebound effect" for us to achieve self-determination in one or more parts of the world. The issue is will a breakdown help us (by giving us another chance via a "reshuffling" of the deck) or hurt us (the chaos will be too hard to ever control). Others have hope that we can steer clear of this scenario and influence one or more current nation-states to implement our ideology.
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    A rough definition can be provided.

    It is a radical change in the way of life for people living in Western countries, where the change consists of some or all of the following: a tremendous increase in crime, famine, shortages of other basic necessities (as for luxuries, forget it) the presence of nuclear fallout, geopolitical fracturing, the end of "pax americana" (aka pax judaica)---hurray , among other drastic changes.

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    It has to be noticably larger than anything like it in the past, by at least an order of magnitude.

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    As William Pierce pointed out, authoritarian societies can last for a long time, but societies that are corrupt are inevitably doomed. They choke on their own decadence. Indeed, the West in general and the u.s. in particular are becoming more authoritarian, but they are also becoming more corrupt, in no small part because of multiculturalism. This Orwellian state of affairs cannot last long.

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    I don't see the state of the world getting any better or any freer in the near future, definately not in my lifetime.

    It's time we think in terms of generations. What will best serve the generations that come after we have passed should be our focus.

    I have no hope for any racial idependence or white homeland for myself, but my grandkids or great-grandkids may have the chance and that's why I continue. My life and deeds are a bridge for them and their contemporaries.

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    To achieve Racial Self-Determination we need a shock to the system to infiltrate power positions and subsequently we must put into force a broad Social Revolution geared towards the Racialisation of the Europid masses. Eventually the Revolution will be gradual over a certain amount of decades and not a sudden shock or apocalyptic breakdown and subsequent Messianic return or rule.

    The strenghtening of an Authoritarian Political Correctness and Liberalism and a Global Capitalist System will see their overcoming be restricted to the utmost. I support Legal Measures to the overcoming of these negative barriers towards our Racial Self-Determination in Europe, but eventually the time will come when European Racialists will be restricted and chained by the System that will not like every system permit a Revolution aimed at destabilising the System in order to annihilate it and replace it with a better order. Unfortunately through Indoctrination and Degeneracy the Masses support the Corrupt System which negates the Masses their Self-Determination as a Racial Folk.

    If we do not see a Social Revolution affecting Europe within out lifetime we might as well sow its seeds. The worst that can happen to Europe is another Fratricidal War aimed at destroying the current System.

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    There is nothing in life that says that 'just' causes triumph or that the apparent best will thrive. Life isn't fair, and that's the way it is.
    I think all government is more or less evil, the question is, is it a necessary evil, or not? I am fond of the Mencken quote that Thorburn mentioned. I don't trust any humans, Aryan or not, to govern over me. Every society is corrupt to some extent, and becomes decadent and falls, authoritarian or not. That is simply human nature, and it won't change any time soon, if ever.
    From a Darwinian perspective, no government is the way to go, as all groups compete with no outside influence. Is this to be preferred from our perspective? I don't know, but it is worth considering.
    Right now, we are being outcompeted. Just because we have better cognitive abilities on average than Negroes does not make us 'superior.' Superiority is relative in all but one respect, and that is in ability to survive. Right now, European man seems to lack the ability to survive. We may well be wiped off the planet. I don't believe in some Messianic destiny that will magically save us. We may get our act together and save ourselves at the last minute, but it looks dim right now. The dinosaurs ruled the planet for 150 million years; any observer near the end of the Cretaceous would have declared them to be 'fittest' or 'superior' and would have expected them to thrive, populating the planet with their descendants. Lo and behold, that didn't happen. Circumstances changed, and the 'superior' dinosaurs were unable to adapt. Lowly creatures resembling the rat and the opossum were the heirs to the dinosaurs' kingdom. Who is to say that the same fate does not await us?

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    Originally posted by Sigrun
    I don't see the state of the world getting any better or any freer in the near future, definately not in my lifetime.

    It's time we think in terms of generations. What will best serve the generations that come after we have passed should be our focus.

    I have no hope for any racial idependence or white homeland for myself, but my grandkids or great-grandkids may have the chance and that's why I continue. My life and deeds are a bridge for them and their contemporaries.
    I disagree with your pessimism, but even if I knew for sure that I would not live to see this homeland, I would still contribute as I have been and as I am now contributing.

    I think you have a wonderful, selfless attitude.

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    Edric, it seems as if the proces to which you are referring to has already begun in Europe (Haider, Le Pen, et. al.) and is a few steps behind here in the u.s. Do you think that this effort should have a broad or narrow geographic focus?

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    Post @ Fionn

    Right now, we are being outcompeted. Just because we have better cognitive abilities on average than Negroes does not make us 'superior.' Superiority is relative in all but one respect, and that is in ability to survive. Right now, European man seems to lack the ability to survive.
    You are missing the point: we are being outcompeted because of a very trivial flaw: we are too nice to win. You know, if it wasn't so tragic, it would be funny. History clearly shows that we win when we want to win. If we are unfit in any sense, it is in the area of the conscience (letting ours be infiltrated). Other than that, we have the intelligence and manpower to rid the world of all of our enemies (its still not too late) if we wanted to expend the time and energy. You and I both know that.

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