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    I will try to find out something about German Labour Front.

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    The book name is "Holy Book of Adolf Hitler". It has some interesting things, very useful. Are you interested in it?


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    Post Holy Book of Adolf Hitler

    I am interested in it... where can I find a copy?

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    Originally posted by Dzerzhinsky
    notice the smily at the bottom? could it possibly that what i was saying was tongue in cheek? i was simply pointing out that the ECONOMIC policies of national socialism are along the same line as communism. of course, the goals they set out to achieve are the opposite, but they are similar in that they are anti-capitalist, anti-materialist and anti-exploitation of workers.
    The smilie was right next to your comment about "if it wasn't for the blatant racism, i might have been a nazi"...thus the smilie refered to just that comment. edit: Basic grammar rules suggest that a "punctuation mark" at the end of a sentence affects *just* the sentence...while the same device clearly at the end of a paragraph affects the paragraph...example:

    ?

    Smilies are a type of punctuation mark.


    I haven't found anything detailing NS economic policies...until now. Thx P_Z!! x_cheers Let me study this for a bit and I should list the differences (if there be any)

    Communism = dictatory rule of a "class" and revolutionizing masses for class-warfare. Liwuidation of all other elites "bourgois", confiscation of all private property ect. ec.t

    where does it say this is the manifesto? Marxism is an economic theory, just like NS is a political theory. the consequences of Marxs economics might be similar (or were supposed to be) to what you have stated, but he doesn't necessarily state all private property should be conviscated. he beleived in capitalism, then socialism and then communism.
    From my copy of 'The Communist Manifesto", part II:

    We Communists have been reproached with the desire of abolishing the right of personally acquiring property as the fruit of a man's labor, which property is alleged to be the groundwork of all personal freedom, activity, and independence.

    Hard-won, self-acquired, self-earned property? Do you mean the property of the petty artisan and of the small peasant, a form of property that preceded the bourgeois form? There is no need to abolish that; the development of industry has to a great extent already destroyed it, and is still destroying it daily.

    Or do you mean modern bourgeois private property?

    But does wage labor create any property for the laborer? Not a bit. It creates capital, i.e., that kind of property which exploits wage labor, and which cannot increase except upon condition of begetting a new supply of wage labor for fresh exploitation. Property, in its present form, is based on the antagonism of capital and wage labor. Let us examine both sides of this antagonism...

    ...the abolition of this stage of things is called by the bourgeois, abolition of individualtiy and freedom! And rightly so The abolition of bourgeois individuality, bourgeois independence, and bourgeois freedom is undoubtedly aimed at.

    By freedom is meant, under the present bourgeois conditions of production, free trade, freee selling and free buying...

    ...You are horrified at our intending to do away with private property....


    Marxism is a social theory, couched in economic terms; too many people think of Marxism as "just" an economic theory. It specifies the elimination (or at least, the non-emphasis) of race (what it refers to as "nationality".)

    Marx didn't "believe" in capitalism or the "dictatorship of the proletariat"...he recognized their existence, but only as intermediate steps to the ideal Communist state.


    The entire Marxist doctrine is built upon the myth, that economy is the deciive factor of politics.
    While NS states, the economy is just a tool of the state, to serve the people.


    yes this is true (its not a myth BTW), but this is another discussion. what is the matter with you nazis? why do you always try to turn an economic debate into a political one? if you don't beleive that he who holds the economic power, holds the political power, then you are denying fact. look at the jews in america, they hold massive amounts of economic sway and, coninsidently, they are the only nation to support Israel.
    We prefer to turn debates into racial ones (as opposed to political ones) because the race is everything. Without a distinct effort to maintain the race which originated a particular state/economic system, the "system" will change into a new form, oriented to the new people (either a mixed-race people, or the new "infiltrated" people) I must repeat: To a NS, *everything* is race.

    And unlike Communist Russia, Germany didnt mass-execute and murder its population to establish its system.

    there were excecutions in USSR, but not on the scale you speak of. and unlike Germany, those killed were political prisoners, not just ethnic minorities who couldn't help the fact that they were born!
    Stalin and his people killed somewhere near 20-30 million people...merely because they were independant farmers or strong leaders in the military. The Ukrainians *hated* the Soviets for this! And you're saying no ethnic minorities were killed? I suggest you study a bit more on Soviet atrocities!

    Because as it states, the German People are of importance and nothing else.

    this ridiculous sense of German superiority has cost you two world wars, a holocaust and a divided nation for 40 years. if your government is not careful, and doesn't silence people like you, we will have another war. the result will be the same though, a German humiliation. how many losses do you need to make you realise you are not superior?
    Empty threats. My government cannot silence me.
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    lol, it always makes me laugh when nazis say, 'communism doesn't work' and 'it is against human nature',
    Often it is conservatives who say this...and they say it because communism claims to remove the "greed" element present in an economy..."to each according to his needs, from each according to his ability..."

    By removing hunger and want from the people, crime and other icky things (yes, including greed) will go away...

    So they say. "Greed" is only human nature among the jews, and those they have corrupted.

    However, when a NS says "it doesn't work" it's due to the communists belief that race doesn't matter...and *this* goes against human nature.

    If an "event" happens (say a dance) with 100 blacks and 100 whites (or, to eliminate the "race card" element--we could say 100 Zulus and 100 Navahos) chances are very good that each group will stay within its own areas...not just meeting with others, but also within its own "geographical" area of the dance floor.

    100 Zulus will dance their style; 100 navahos will dance their style. If they get together (or more accurately--brought together by "enablers" or "facilitators") then the resultant dances will be neither truly "Zulu" or "Navaho." Both cultures will have lost some part of their native culture; sure, something will have been gained, but is it worth it?

    I don't think it is....

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    The Holy Book of Adolf Hitler could be found on

    http://www.faem.com/contents.htm

    under online books.

    Search it around and you will find very good things.


    This book represents James try to put Hitler in Christian context, but from the other side it is not Christian. Worth of reading.


    P.Z.

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    Post What is National Socialism? from NSM site

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    What is National Socialism?

    National Socialism is, above all things, the doctrine that it is not only for the good of humanity but absolutely essential for the survival of humanity that scientific method be applied not only to the breeding of animals and bugs but also to the breeding of human beings.
    National Socialism does not wish to destroy inferior races or individuals any more than a wolf leader wants to destroy the pack but only to organize them into a productive order which alone can enable them to survive and enjoy some degree of human felicity.

    National Socialism deplores the reversal of human evolution being accelerated by welfare-ism, brotherhood-ism, race-mixing and the unlimited breeding of the inferior races and individuals while the superior limit themselves to few offspring or none.

    To accomplish these utterly fundamental and vital aims, National Socialism declares its goal to be nothing less than the absolute domination of the white, civilized areas of the earth by the Aryan white man and the leadership of the Aryan white man by the strongest and wisest individuals of the race rather than the largest number of weaklings, mediocrity's and selfish private interests.

    To achieve this goal National Socialism recognizes that power must be won legally, first in the strategic center of the world, the United States, and then in all the other white Aryan areas of the earth.
    National Socialism does not recognize the imaginary geographic boundaries of nations as being as important as the very real boundaries set by nature in RACE.

    We therefore declare out intention eventually to incorporate all Nordic and Aryan white peoples into a single political entity so that never again will white men fight and kill each other on behalf of such silly things as imaginary geographic boundaries or such vicious things as Jewish economic swindles-either Communism or capitalism.

    We further declare that we do not seek to murder or destroy any race but only that we intend to establish separate areas within which each race will be at liberty to achieve its own destiny so long as it does not encroach upon or attack the areas or members of another race.

    Finally, we declare our intention of exiling all individuals, OF WHATEVER RACE, who are guilty of organizing, planning, or carrying out the criminal Communist conspiracy and mutiny against humanity and the laws of nature. We recognize a great proportion of Jews have been, and are the leaders of this criminal Bolshevik mutiny and conspiracy against the race of humanity and will not shrink from the task of utterly destroying such poisonous human bacteria.

    But this is only the negative part of our ideals and aims. The goal of National Socialism develop and express his contributions to humanity to the maximum possible extent and by the application of scientific method to human breeding itself, to insure that the world is peopled, not with more and more negroid degenerates, but with human beings who increasingly approximate the lordly ideal expressed in the ancient Nordic sagas by the gods and goddesses of Valhalla.

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    Just a short commentary on the "Socialism" in National Socialism which so well covered by Pera_Z. National Socialism advocated the "Volksgemeinschaft" or people's community which in essence was totally different from Marxist "Socialism", which wasn't socialism at all as it benefited only a few at the top like its brother capitalism.
    NS was class co-operation not class conflict ,Hitler didn't have to use terror to make his economic system work, it was consentual and beneficial to all classes especially the workers.
    National Socialism was neither left or Right it was the laws of nature in political practice as both capitalism & communism are unnatural systems which work against man.
    The basis of true "socialism" is race, as it can only function in a nationalist setting. NS is really racial socialism !
    Commonality is condusive to co-operation, Globalism is another form of international Marxism, as it encourages the breaking up of Nationalism. So the Jews can control things with much less resistance to them.
    I believe Hitler was destroyed by the Jews not because of racism but for economic reasons. NS Germany opted out of the international capitalist system (Jew) by putting the value of currency not on the gold standard but, on the combined value of labour and national product. Hitler made foreign currency speculation illegal which put mostly Jews out of business. There were both price and wage controls, if a merchant violated these measures he could be put in a concentration camp to be reeducated to comply with state regulation of the economy.
    Hitler also introduced a barter system, in which nations would would goods for goods or raw materials, not involving middle men (Jews).
    Only racial socialism is a viable alternative to Capitalism or Communism!!
    Servus,x_cheers

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    Thanks for your explanation Seppl, we need a greater insight into National Socialism because it is the Ideology from which the survival and progress of our Race depends.

    So I encourage everyone with information related to National Socalism to post it. We need it.

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    WHAT WE STAND FOR GOALS AND OBJECTIVES OF THE NATIONAL SOCIALIST WHITE PEOPLE'S PARTY

    By: George Lincoln Rockwell

    A WHITE AMERICA

    We must have an all-White America; an America in which our children and our grandchildren will play and go to school with other White children; an America in which they will date and marry other young people of our own race; an America in which all their offspring will be beautiful, healthy White babies—never raceless mongrels. We must have an America without swarming black filth in our schools, on our buses and in our places of work; an America in which our cultural, social, business and political life is free of alien, Jewish influence; an America in which White people are the sole masters of our own destiny.

    WHITE WORLD SOLIDARITY

    We must have a foreign policy which is based only on the long-term interests of our race, not on the interest of other races or on economic considerations or anything else. We must never again let America be led into a fratricidal war like the last two world wars, for the sake of alien, minority interests. We must rid ourselves of the suicidal, anti-White insanity which has determined America's attitude towards the other nations of the world for so long. We must learn to look on White men around the world, in Australia, South Africa, Europe and elsewhere, as our racial kinsmen and natural allies.

    A NEW SOCIAL ORDER

    We must build a new society based on racial values rather than monetary or materialistic values. In a real White man's society a man's worth, his social rank, his opportunity to contribute meaningfully to his people must not depend on his ability to adapt to an essentially Jewish system of values and to learn to play the economic game that leads to wealth today. We must have a new social order in which a man's esteem and position depend first of all upon the extent to which he applies his natural abilities to the service of his people, and plays a racially valuable role.

    AN HONEST ECONOMY

    We must put an end to both economic freeloading and economic exploitation in America. There must be no place for parasites who draw their sustenance from society without giving anything in return. Those who thrive on usury, speculation, money-manipulation, and monopoly form a special class today whose primary interest is the maintenance of the system which allows their form of parasitism to flourish in the first place. We must have an economy based on the long-term interests of the man who works for a living, not the chronic loafer or the man who lives by renting out his capital.

    WHITE SELF DEFENSE

    We must have an America in which White men and women can live and work, in their homes and in the streets of our cities, without fear. We must have a government which is not only a guarantor of public order and safety and which preserves the right of White citizens to keep and to bear arms, which is the ancient hallmark of a truly free people, but we must have government which maintains an eternal vigilance against the enemies, both internal and external, of a White America. Every tendency towards denegeracy and subversion, every threat to our racial integrity, every form of organized crime and vice, every element which threatens public terror or chaos must be weeded out and utterly destroyed.

    GOVERNMENT BY LEADERS

    We must have a government by responsible leaders, not demagogues or political opportunists, in America. If we are to survive as a nation we must put an end to the catastrophic system of irresponsible misgovernment, incompetent leadership, and self-serving party politics which rules today—a system in which none but the hypocritical and the unscrupulous may rise to the top. Instead, we must build a system which selects, for every level of government, the best, the strongest, and the wisest men America has to offer.

    A SPIRITUAL REBIRTH

    We must turn our people from their present path of materialism, cynicism, and egoism and inspire them with a new faith based on racial idealism. Only then can we replace the alienation and isolation of the individual which exist today with a sense of racial communion. Only through a spiritual rebirth of our people can we achieve the profound reorientation which is a prerequisite for building a healthy racial community.

    AN ARYAN CULTURE

    We must encourage and promote every form of genuine White cultural endeavor—and at the same time we must break the alien monopoly which exists over our public opinion-forming media and flush down the drain the poisonous Jewish and negroid degeneracy which today passes for art and music and literature. We must instill in our youth the appreciation for beauty and order that characterize a genuine White man's culture. We must awaken a new understanding of our racial and cultural heritage, so that the creative instincts of our people can once again find expression in a direction which will continually renew and enrich that heritage instead of degrading and debasing it.

    A HEALTHY ENVIRONMENT

    We must make it an imperative duty of our government to protect the gifts which Nature has bestowed on America and to insure the maintenance of a clean, healthy, wholesome environment for our people. We must not only eliminate pollution and conserve our resources, but we must gradually bring about a whole new mode of living in America, a mode with less emphasis on forcing man into a mold determined by a congested, neon-and-asphalt urban rat race and more emphasis on changing that mold to fit the racial propensities of Aryan man.

    A BETTER RACE

    We must make it our most sacred task to ensure the betterment and safeguard the future of our race. We must learn to place a higher value on the quality of our people than of our gadgets. We must determine that each generation of our people will be of a higher quality than the one before. We must take measures to emphasize in our children and grandchildren the best qualities of our people today and to eliminate their flaws and their weaknesses. To accomplish this aim we must be willing to put our duties to future generations of our race ahead of the selfish whims of the present.

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    This is an interesting perspective on N-S, but not one that would be shared by all.
    It makes the CENTRAL CONCERN of N-S to be the following;

    "That scientific method be applied to the breeding of human beings... (so that) the strongest and wisest individuals of the (Aryan) race ...(will resemble) ... the lordly ideal expressed in the ancient Nordic sagas".

    This concept of 'central concern', or more properly 'ultimate concern'[UC] is vitally important. By that we judge all '-isms'.
    Capital-ism makes 'capital' its UC; Anarch-ism makes no government its UC, and Racial-ism makes race its UC.
    By this analysis, N-S is a form of racialism, or more specifically, Aryanism. It makes the Aryan race its UC.
    It also implies that the Aryan ideal is that of the Nordic subrace.

    The article goes on to say that;

    "Power must be won legally, first in the strategic center of the world, the United States, and then in all the other white Aryan areas of the earth ... eventually to incorporate all Nordic and Aryan white peoples into a single political entity".

    Again, there are some contentious assertions here;
    i) legalism: N-S must stay within the law. Some would say that this is an insurmountable handicap, as laws have been deliberately framed to nullify all forms of N-S.
    ii) The USA is described as the "strategic centre of the world" - is that so?
    We know that the USA is the one 'hyper-power', but doesn't the Middle-East rather continually present itself as this strategic world centre?
    iii) Nordic/Aryan/White are lumped together; is Nordic the subracial ideal to which all Whites should aspire? Or is the Nordic that subrace which invented Aryan civilisation? Or is the Aryan a spiritual/racial ideal which personifies the ideal human type for all time?
    These are all important philosophical questions.

    Another interesting assertion made;
    "We intend to establish separate areas within which each race will be at liberty to achieve its own destiny so long as it does not encroach upon or attack the areas or members of another race".

    This sounds like good policy.
    Why are there beings at all, & why not rather nothing?
    [Leibniz/Heidegger]

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