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    This is the first time I have seen a four year old thread bump, but I must admit it has been a rather interesting read, and it shall be interesting to see how people's opinions vary now as opposed to then.

    Do the new breed agree with the old school? Is the situation better or worse in our respective homes? And, most importantly, has anything actually been done in these last four years?

    Personally, I am currently thinking the best idea is the "thule/brownshirts" idea previously expressed, along with some literati influence within universities, although I do not want the racist connotations of the former to bleed into the ethic. I feel the way forward is something akin to "mental segregation". We need to respect other cultures, but strengthen our own. It is too late for the deportation ideas of the BNP et cetera to have any real chance IRL, and it is too late for such a thing to remove the impact the multi-cult has had on generation dead, but I feel that we can still install a sense of cultural hegemony amongst natives if we only start putting our foot down in the right areas. Of course, those wishing to take advantage of our limp policies o'er the past few decades shalt inevitably moan about the idea, however, luckily, we have not yet given first-gen immigrants the option to vote against such things, et ergo it will still be down to the relatively English to decide.

    These policies would not be about discrimination or racial ranking, but instead about learning in a cultural sense. Instead of promoting the research into foreign cultures, how about we take a leaf from the Finns: tech your child about their own beginnings, especially their family history, then let them interact with the other cultures to be found here that already get taught their own from their parents like ours should continue to do?

    Still, one can not expect parents to teach children their culture when most of the parents in generation dead are teenagers raised by television, now, can one?

    There is far more to my view, but I am not in a sufficiently mentally quiescent state to be able to explain it without sending myself on tangents to oblivion...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stríbog View Post
    I believe the fundamental error has been to give up control of our educational institutions without a fight.
    And our media, etc.

    How did this happen?

    We were busy earning a living, and then we demoted the value of motherhood and education... so neurotic people took over those roles.

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    Admittedly, I have not read every post in this thread. But feel the need to respond none the less.

    If there is a response, the depth of my view will reveal its self through discussion. Otherwise, I will stick to a few simple statements. My view is what many pro-Germanics, would consider blasphemy.

    In addition to most everything else that has been said in this thread, I think we are losing because even the most passionate advocates are often misinformed and divided against themselves.

    We have to look at what has actually worked in the past, and what has not worked in the past. Very many of us are still faithful to failed forms. Mistaking the failed form for the original article. And rejecting everything else. This inertia is the reason for the lack of progress.

    A brutally honest critical analysis is called for. This is a test of internal fortitude as much as any other we could think of. It is actually the most difficult kind of test and it is what we are faced with as a race.

    In a nut-shell, we are 'losing' because we have created this world, this age, and everything in it is of us. That is an incredibly important thing to realize. It is the reason why our enemies, in and of this world, are able to compete with us.

    I do not accept any ideology or doctrine of the condition of contemporary 'Germanicism' that suggests anything at all like victim-hood. Power is control, control is responsibility- the instant we place responsibility for our condition on anyone but ourselves, is the same moment we have handed them control over us.

    This non-Germanic idea of being 'a victim' somehow crept into contemporary Germanic thinking and absolutely poisoned it. Poisoned it almost to its death. For very many people, the concept and feeling of their own Germanicism is intimately tied to a feeling of being oppressed, somehow kept down or sabotaged by others. So the real strength of the concept is dead even as the concept its self emerges.

    That is not any kind of pride, and what (for example) Germanic American will want to be associated with victim-hood? Most of the named example know at the core of their being that this is their world. This knowledge is intrinsic to their being. Lacking leadership to guide them, many of these are guided by other leaders to believing that this dominance is the cause of any and all suffering in the same world. Those who do not feel like victims are made to feel guilty for their perceived victimization of others.

    I can't decide which attitude is more sickening.

    This post is long enough. I won't go any further without some reaction. The reaction to the idea of Germanic self-determination is usually hostile from self-proclaimed racialists. I am curious to see if those that visit these forums are an exception.

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    "Power through victimhood and submission" is a very Christian creation.

    Nor let us forget the compassion with the victim that has been introduced into our culture. I really cannot see Odin blaming Thor for being too harsh with the giants...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neophyte View Post
    "Power through victimhood and submission" is a very Christian creation.
    Indeed. One would think a Germanic view of victim hood to be that the defeated are victims of their own weakness and stupidity.

    Nor let us forget the compassion with the victim that has been introduced into our culture. I really cannot see Odin blaming Thor for being too harsh with the giants...
    We can only pray for a contemporary Þrymskviða.

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    The problem is simple demographics. A fertile population has no room for incomers.
    Education, if anything wastes a young persons time, contaminates their ideas and directs a female into a career.
    Illiterate tribal poulations are harder to control and subjugate and have no problem repelling invaders or maintaining their population numbers.
    Women should never be educated but conditioned to breed solely for the expansion of the tribe.
    A century from now the only White people left will be those descended from big families. People do this only from fanatical Religious conviction.
    Quiverful, White Muslims, Creators, Catholics practising no birth control will be the only survivors. Anyone not in these categories is basically dead wood and of no value to the race. With their passing it will be as if they never were.
    At best we are going to see a 90% drop in the populations of all White peoples. The next decade gives some hope for "Clever Nationalists" such as the BNP to alter things. If "Clever Nationalists" are ascendant they immediately need to set about restoring a massive birthrate. Without this coupled to a Religion of racial intolerance there is little avoidance of being relegated to minority status. By minority status it means ending up like the Copts in Egypt (10%) or the Red Man in the US.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PendaMercia View Post

    In a nut-shell, we are 'losing' because we have created this world, this age, and everything in it is of us. That is an incredibly important thing to realize. It is the reason why our enemies, in and of this world, are able to compete with us.

    I do not accept any ideology or doctrine of the condition of contemporary 'Germanicism' that suggests anything at all like victim-hood. Power is control, control is responsibility- the instant we place responsibility for our condition on anyone but ourselves, is the same moment we have handed them control over us.

    This non-Germanic idea of being 'a victim' somehow crept into contemporary Germanic thinking and absolutely poisoned it. Poisoned it almost to its death. For very many people, the concept and feeling of their own Germanicism is intimately tied to a feeling of being oppressed, somehow kept down or sabotaged by others. So the real strength of the concept is dead even as the concept its self emerges.

    That is not any kind of pride, and what (for example) Germanic American will want to be associated with victim-hood? Most of the named example know at the core of their being that this is their world. This knowledge is intrinsic to their being. Lacking leadership to guide them, many of these are guided by other leaders to believing that this dominance is the cause of any and all suffering in the same world. Those who do not feel like victims are made to feel guilty for their perceived victimization of others.
    Agreed.


    I read things by British Nationalists and they make me want to scream. "Rights for Whites" and other such soundbites. That the entirety of the English volksgeist may now be reduced to 'Whites' Vs 'Blacks' like opposing supporters of football teams who argue over whose colour shirt is the best.

    These extremely Reactionary politics are defensive politics.

    I am no professional historian but to look at the history of Western Europe one can see along the way paths never taken, great opportunities lost, terrible mistakes never rectified, that have lead us to this current situation. Because of reaction, fear, weakness, greed and perhaps, insanity.

    None of these are particularly Germanic virtues.

    A great English statesmen once wrote something like:

    'There are no permanent allies or permanent enemies (or permanent ideologies?). There are only permanent interests.'

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walterina View Post
    Agreed.


    I read things by British Nationalists and they make me want to scream. "Rights for Whites" and other such soundbites. That the entirety of the English volksgeist may now be reduced to 'Whites' Vs 'Blacks' like opposing supporters of football teams who argue over whose colour shirt is the best.

    These extremely Reactionary politics are defensive politics.

    I am no professional historian but to look at the history of Western Europe one can see along the way paths never taken, great opportunities lost, terrible mistakes never rectified, that have lead us to this current situation. Because of reaction, fear, weakness, greed and perhaps, insanity.

    None of these are particularly Germanic virtues.

    A great English statesmen once wrote something like:

    'There are no permanent allies or permanent enemies (or permanent ideologies?). There are only permanent interests.'
    ach! English speaking of 'Rights for whites'! So much to be said. This is why I draw from the American Founding-Fathers some good strong basis of Germanic progress (as twisted as the way has become since then). For example, the breaking away from a more powerfull, harmfull entity as a Declaration of Independence.

    The exhortation not for 'white rights', but for rights as Englishmen. Rights as the personal sovereigntry one is born with as an Anglo-Saxon freeman. Rights inherent in being of our race, rights whos exercsize are not an entitlement, but rather something one must earn (through work or bloodshed) for ones self. Even the idea in The Declaration of 'equal creation' does not guarentee exerscize amongst all, it simply limits a Governments power to interfere with it. The assumption being that in a meritocracy, the Germanics will naturally ascend (as they have) and the other races will fall into their own natural place within that system. As they have. In America the problem has come as we have gotten away from this Germanic progressivism and have fallen more into an entitlement system.

    This progressivism was a breaking of the old paradigm and the establishment of a new paradigm. That is the Germanic way. If it isn't working, create something that does work. You don't harp and cry to the old way and hope to gather enough pity to make for a convincing cause! You list your greivances, tell the old way you don't need it anymore, and go forth and make your own way.

    Sorry for the long typo ridden semi-rambling post, the subject evokes some passion in me.

    Quote Originally Posted by forkbeard View Post
    The problem is simple demographics. A fertile population has no room for incomers.
    Education, if anything wastes a young persons time, contaminates their ideas and directs a female into a career.
    Illiterate tribal poulations are harder to control and subjugate and have no problem repelling invaders or maintaining their population numbers.
    Women should never be educated but conditioned to breed solely for the expansion of the tribe.
    A century from now the only White people left will be those descended from big families. People do this only from fanatical Religious conviction.
    Quiverful, White Muslims, Creators, Catholics practising no birth control will be the only survivors. Anyone not in these categories is basically dead wood and of no value to the race. With their passing it will be as if they never were.
    At best we are going to see a 90% drop in the populations of all White peoples. The next decade gives some hope for "Clever Nationalists" such as the BNP to alter things. If "Clever Nationalists" are ascendant they immediately need to set about restoring a massive birthrate. Without this coupled to a Religion of racial intolerance there is little avoidance of being relegated to minority status. By minority status it means ending up like the Copts in Egypt (10%) or the Red Man in the US.
    Racial intolerance and big families are almost a religion to some in the US.

    One good example would be Mormons. I won't get too deep into the specifics, but they are a large group, are racially pure, are rich, influential, and have extremely high birth rates. They have trouble getting elected President because minorities generaly fear their extreme 'whiteness', and their relatively undiluted ethnicity is not a good fit in a 'culutally-diverse' PC political climate. But other than race, they are about as Germanic as a taco.

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    I agree. It took me a long time to realize this: the first step, the most profound and the most basic to our survival and our ability to thrive (or one's own) is to begin to take responsibility for yourself. I even preach this to non whites. The second step is constant self improvement. All else is secondary. Our society is failing because they are stupid, weak etc. Our race is failing for the same reasons- we are flawed. It doesn't matter if another group is looking out for its interests or not. Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me. It doesn't matter if people are trying to decieve me I should be strong enough to see through the deception and not whine about why someone else is picking on me or why doesn't some saviour come along and solve my problems.

    This is basically why I got banned from stormfront. I basically had an epiphany. I heard the whining and complaints and finger pointing, but when I asked people to step up- form a community, or do other work to solve problems nobody really wanted to. I also heard a lot of things that were absurd. Nobody setting standards for themselves and their own people but just looking for a place where they could feel valuable based on the accomplishments of their race rather than their own accomplishments.

    I agree it isn't right (civilized) for other races to abuse whites the way they do, but the first thing as a people we must respect ourselves. We also live in a fairly free society. If you can't succeed in this society then you probably are inferior or at least average- certainly not some supreme being (supremacist). You also are free to take steps to solve your problems. Most racist groups are legal. No one is stopping anybody from building a community. For the most part publication and free discussion are legal. Yet I typically hear just threats towards others- insults towards others- complaints about being a victim rather than hear about what people are going to do to better their situation. Why not fix your own life, your own family, your own community, and not worry about other people?

    And recently it has crept up on Skadi. The blacks did this or the blacks are that. Jews are saying this about us... that reflects poorly on you when you say those things. Low lifes tear other people down rather than rising to their level (or beyond). You should be trying to better yourself rather than tear other people down. Not saying that looking out for your own interests means never stepping on anyone's toes, but for the most part if it isn't directly in your agenda of bettering yourself/group then you shouldn't have much concern about how bad other people are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rainman View Post
    I agree. It took me a long time to realize this: the first step, the most profound and the most basic to our survival and our ability to thrive (or one's own) is to begin to take responsibility for yourself. I even preach this to non whites. The second step is constant self improvement. All else is secondary. Our society is failing because they are stupid, weak etc. Our race is failing for the same reasons- we are flawed. It doesn't matter if another group is looking out for its interests or not. Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me. It doesn't matter if people are trying to decieve me I should be strong enough to see through the deception and not whine about why someone else is picking on me or why doesn't some saviour come along and solve my problems.

    This is basically why I got banned from stormfront. I basically had an epiphany. I heard the whining and complaints and finger pointing, but when I asked people to step up- form a community, or do other work to solve problems nobody really wanted to. I also heard a lot of things that were absurd. Nobody setting standards for themselves and their own people but just looking for a place where they could feel valuable based on the accomplishments of their race rather than their own accomplishments.

    I agree it isn't right (civilized) for other races to abuse whites the way they do, but the first thing as a people we must respect ourselves. We also live in a fairly free society. If you can't succeed in this society then you probably are inferior or at least average- certainly not some supreme being (supremacist). You also are free to take steps to solve your problems. Most racist groups are legal. No one is stopping anybody from building a community. For the most part publication and free discussion are legal. Yet I typically hear just threats towards others- insults towards others- complaints about being a victim rather than hear about what people are going to do to better their situation. Why not fix your own life, your own family, your own community, and not worry about other people?

    And recently it has crept up on Skadi. The blacks did this or the blacks are that. Jews are saying this about us... that reflects poorly on you when you say those things. Low lifes tear other people down rather than rising to their level (or beyond). You should be trying to better yourself rather than tear other people down. Not saying that looking out for your own interests means never stepping on anyone's toes, but for the most part if it isn't directly in your agenda of bettering yourself/group then you shouldn't have much concern about how bad other people are.
    Nothing I can add to this really, other than that I agree. Well said. I was banned from both stormfront and new saxon for the same reasons.

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