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    Post Are Ashkenazi Jews Semites or Khazars?

    Has there been any Y-chromosome findings on this matter?

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    Post Re: Are Ashkenazi Jews Semites or Khazars?

    Jews with surnames of Cohen from the Levitical tribe should be looked at differently than other Ashkenazi Jews for the fact that Cohen's would probably be genetically isolated from the other Jewish surnames. I think what's being done deliberately in these DNA studies is to just focus on Cohen surnames and ignore the many other Jewish surnames as to emphasis the "pureness" of the Jewish people and establish some sort of legitimacy to a Zionist homeland and a connection to the mythical Hebrews.


    This website has some open minded links to DNA studies concerning the Ashkenazi and their Khazar connection.

    http://www.khazaria.com/genetics/abstracts.html

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    Post Re: Are Ashkenazi Jews Semites or Khazars?

    Thanx.

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    Post Re: Are Ashkenazi Jews Semites or Khazars?

    Quote Originally Posted by Krampus
    Jews with surnames of Cohen from the Levitical tribe should be looked at differently than other Ashkenazi Jews for the fact that Cohen's would probably be genetically isolated from the other Jewish surnames. I think what's being done deliberately in these DNA studies is to just focus on Cohen surnames and ignore the many other Jewish surnames as to emphasis the "pureness" of the Jewish people and establish some sort of legitimacy to a Zionist homeland and a connection to the mythical Hebrews.
    DNA tests have been done on Ashkenazi Jews of Cohen and non-Cohen origin. Both groups are genetically remarkably similar to Arabs.
    This certainly fits with what I see in Jewish phenotypes. The majority, I believe, are fairly Middle Eastern and predominantly Orientalid-looking.

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    Question About the different Semites, specially Jews.

    Well, first of all I must say that before joining Skadi I thought I knew quite things about antropology, but now I realise that I ignore pretty much. The doubts appeared when I looked at the different "types" of jews, because some look more "european" and others are almost arab-like, but with distinguishable characteristics.
    About the firsts: the skin is mainly white, in many cases with a sebaceous appearence when touched (like teenagers, sometimes worse). The body in fat people has a romboidal shape, broader by the hips, but in an ugly way, not so proportionated. The head may look small in proportion to the body. The face shows the hair starting higher than in other caucasians, thus giving the appearence of a big forehead, and this last one presents in the middle a bit higher than the "eyebrow-line" a depht, as if they have been heat with a round-headed hammer; the hooked nose that we all know; very marked wrinkles starting in the lower part of the nostrils, following the lips and finishing almost in the chin (old people of all races show these wrinkles, but in jews they appear earlier and are more notorious). About the distance between the lower part of the nose and the upper lip, it's rather long, but i'm not sure. The ears have a big lower part. Finally, many of them are blond or auburn with blue or green eyes. Ariel Sharon fits quite well with my description, for example.
    Please tell me if my description is accurate, and why they have that appearence, since they are related to arabs and show very little similarities.
    Sorry for my bad anthropological glossary, i'm not nate english speaker.

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    Re: About the different Semites, specially Jews.

    well the jews were semites from the beginning, but the ones with lighter pigmentation, blond hair and blue eyes are most likely Jews who have been in europe for around 1,500 years known as ashkenazic jews, this branch had taken in some of the local population's genetic information through interbreeding aka, a local "gentile" who is married into a jewish family and converted, the local europeans traits would then enter to some degree into the mixing pool of the Jew's genetic makeup.

    Your assocations to jewish physical traits are pretty accurate, but its not a guarentee, many jews only have some of the traits mentioned, fewer none at all. This sort of strange deviation from a indigenous europeans face would come from the hybridization of a semite with earlier armenoid influence, to then intermix with persons from late west Roman Empire period Italy, the rhineland and later on the slavic lands.

    After centuries of migration and micro-colonization aka ghettos or countryside communities, various forms of Ashkazic jews came into existance, those who remained in north italy and the rhineland had features ranging from alpinid and Italic Med, and even nordid. The ones to the east obtained features from the slavs, aka pontid, UP, baltid and nordic, not too mention turkish influence from the injection of the jewish khazar turk population. So the end product would be a person who has traits similiar to thier non jew nieghbors, but with a central set of universal traits with other jews, being the semitic fleshy remnants. Hooked nose, higher hairline, larger lips, "arabic" looking lines over the face, and the curled nostrils.

    all in all this would explain the reason why the jews you speak of look the way they do, and not like thier palestinian nieghbors, who are probably nearly completly ethnically semitic, the european jews are only partially, though they like to be seen as just semitic so the world will sympathize, the saying anti semite is a funny term for the defence of jews against thier enemies "are you anti semitic?/ are you an anti semite?", since these "semites" are pillaging and destroying actualy semitic peoples.

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    Re: About the different Semites, specially Jews.

    Want to see an example of a strange semite? Check out the singer for the RAMONES (new york punk band).

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    Re: About the different Semites, specially Jews.

    Thankyou a lot Bioblitzkrieg, finnally I understand . It's also true that not all jews show all those characteristics, Paul Newman would be a good example (in the movie Exodus there's a funny scene joking about that ), but I forgot to write it.
    And it's quite shocking that Joey Ramone is jew, since he was member of the NRA (did Charlton realise of that?).

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