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  • White Nords came here first.

    12 44.44%
  • Indians were here first.

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  • Dont care , it sucks here anyways.

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Thread: Proof: Whites Were Here First

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    Wow what a turn around ,

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    Could someone please source these claims of White indians? I'm quite keen to learn more about them.

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    Across infernal wastelands
    Many miles of sunburnt Hell
    Tribes are scattered limbs
    And dust all laying as they fell
    Open lies the challenge to all
    Warriors now men
    Let the spirits guide the winds
    Until Manitou ascends

    Manitou
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    Watch the unseen burial
    Eclipse the blazing skies
    Feast the wings of death
    With Manitou the soul shall vie
    Distant beats the wardance
    Echo screams out liberty
    Patience stalks the crow
    White man's scalp brings victory

    Manitou
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    Mighty be the powers
    Of the old medicine man
    Whispers of his raindance
    Flow across the desert sands
    Guardian of the elder spirit
    Summoning the storm
    Awaiting his arrival
    Manitou of flesh is born

    Manitou
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    Venom: "Manitou"
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    And all my youth passed by sad-hearted,
    the joy of Spring was never mine;
    Autumn blows through me dread of parting,
    and my heart dreams and longs to die.

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    Real misanthropes are not found in solitude, but in the world; since it is experience of life, and not philosophy, which produces real hatred of mankind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by curua
    A geneticist has shown that about 20,000 native Americans around the great lakes and east coast have markers in thier dna that only Europeans are supposed to have. If I am not mistaken no Indians would live in the area of kentucky because all the tribes around it believed that it was haunted by the ghosts of red haired giants. The local tribes were terrified and banded together to kill the red hair tribe. afterwards the would not live in the area. Skeletons were found that were very tall and had scraps of red hair still attached to the skull. In another instance though not of ancient origin the lumbee indians of North Carolina have dark skin but many of them have blondish hair and blue eyes. They are believed to be the descendents of the lost colony of roanoke.
    Are these 20,000 Native Americans With White mtDNA living today? Or are were these DNA samples extracted from remains of Indians who lived here around the time White people first arrived 200 to 300 years ago?

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    Are these 20,000 Native Americans With White mtDNA living today? Or are were these DNA samples extracted from remains of Indians who lived here around the time White people first arrived 200 to 300 years ago?
    The supposed European genetic input into the Native American community can be seen through maternal haplogroup X, a marker that is found in approximately 1% of Native Americans.

    The mutation defining X is roughly 23 000 Years old, and it is sparse even within Europeans, only found among the Orkney Islanders in a frequency of over 5%, which can probably be attributed to a small founder population ( small frequencies among both Gaelic and Norse populations).

    It is however, considered to be one of the seven "founder" maternal Haplogroups in Europe.

    To answer, your question, I am relatively confident in stating that Haplogroup X is the result of recent European admixture, rather ancient (~20 000).

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    That would seem to fit in with the idea that at some time in the past a land bridge existed between Europe and North America and some Europeons crossed over. Perhaps that has been touched on earlier in this thread.
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    But Turman and director Mike Nichols made one key adaptation, changing the Braddocks from WASP-y blonde characters into a dark-haired, more ethnic-looking family.

    From NPR's Present at the Creation

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trønder
    The supposed European genetic input into the Native American community can be seen through maternal haplogroup X, a marker that is found in approximately 1% of Native Americans.

    The mutation defining X is roughly 23 000 Years old, and it is sparse even within Europeans, only found among the Orkney Islanders in a frequency of over 5%, which can probably be attributed to a small founder population ( small frequencies among both Gaelic and Norse populations).

    It is however, considered to be one of the seven "founder" maternal Haplogroups in Europe.

    To answer, your question, I am relatively confident in stating that Haplogroup X is the result of recent European admixture, rather ancient (~20 000).

    I vaguely remember looking in a magazine about American Indians celebrating their ancestors in Scotland. There movement to Scotland is fairly recent -- after Europeans started to settle North America. It was from an old magazine (maybe 1970's), I think about Scotland published in the UK.
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    IHR Revisionist Conference, April 24, 2004, internet broadcast:

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