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    Post A viewpoint for a European Nationalism

    I've thought of a perspective that works for me, and might work for others here - the way I see it, it explains a lot in human history, though it is a teleological theory (i.e. everything is seen as moving towards an aim), and so metaphysics sort of need to be constructed along the way, but a cross between Darwinism and Will to Power as first philosophy exists in this.

    All existing life works towards its own survival, enhancement and expansion. Living beings do this by breeding, to be sure to pass on their own genes - instincts have their roots in chemical processes, which are determined by genes, and of course animals are made of their forms (form = bodily incarnation), which is determined by genes - passing on more than 100% of one's genes by breeding and creating more than three offspring provides 150% of your genes are passed on.

    This is also a root for altruism - helping those who are genetically related to yourself - and so you're more likely to die for one of your children than you are one of your cousins, and so it seems this provides a rather loose foundation for European Nationalism, except for the excellect addition that humans aren't simply built on genes, but values as well.

    Values are defined as things that people love, people cherish, people believe in. People create their own values, and a culture is a social group sharing common values and identity. Values within a culture are built by the cultural aristocracy (core element in my personal philosophy), which produces art, literature, science and philosophical beliefs that provides the identity and helps define the general spirit of the cultural group. Culture is always founded on a genetically similar group because otherwise, for the abovementioned reasons (individual pursuit of genetic immoratality, rules out any long term stability in a multiracial society), and is defined by a cultural aristocracy. Which is sort of what we're doing here.

    The human person is made of two things - his values and his form (body) - both of which can be transferred from generation to generation, the values through communication and shared experiences, the body through offspring and breeding. Rationalism positions subjective consciousness as a super-special thing, but as all humans have it, and possibly animals too, the idea of free will isn't such an awesome thing as some people think and subjective consciousness isn't the greatest either - personal identity is built on form and values, and values are formed through social and individual experience and thought.

    Humans can willingly compromise with each other on issues and values provided they share the same core beliefs - and this, I suggest, is Culture, in the Spenglerian sense. A Frenchman can compromise with an Englishman, a German can compromise with an (unculture distorted) American, while it is more difficult by far for a German to compromise with a Chinaman or an Englishman to compromise with an Arab.

    Nationalism is built on more than just blood, it is built on culture too - and a European Nationalism demands a European culture, which has always existed. Looking into yourself and finding out who you are is a rewarding experience - the core idea is to never compromise on the basic identity on which all else is built on, to ensure that at least those values, along with one's own genes, are passed on. Survival, enhancement and expansion towards immortality in this modern world cannot exist, for white European man, without the European Nation as the core ideal - the European Nation covers his genes and his values absolutely, and subjective consciousness is temporary. For the European culture is what we are built out of, it is our foundations of who we are - "stay true to yourself" has quite possibly never had such a deep meaning.
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    You outline imporant points in your post, on which I am mostly agreeing and on which I do not really feel the need to comment, your post explains it all.

    In my opinion rather than call a newer and solid all-encompassing world-view European Nationalism, we might rather define it as Pan-European Racialism to be adoperated for the benefit of the Europid or European Racial Folk. Blood and Soil must be conjugated with Culture and Values as you clearly highlight correctly that Culture and Values are vital elements for a Civilisation and most importantly the recognition of this Culture and these Values is essentially for a Folkish Racialism to extend over all of Europe most importantly and secondly to the European Colonies still populated by a Europid demographic majority (though this can be temporary if current trends are not reversed unfortunately, but you get my point I suppose).

    Our Blood and our Race or to use a term I prefer Racial Folk must be binded with our Soil to safeguard our Blood and our Culture and Values. It is incredible how Society has distorted this righteous yearn for Self-Determination and Survival into an Evil to the masses.

    The first thing to die for our success is Political Correctness, rather than blend in with the Politically Correct through some form of mild Nationalism, we must become Politically Viable! The problem with most Individuals and Organisations which try to appeal to our instinct of self-preservation is that they are too Hardcore and perhaps virulently Racist to a point where the average person will simply be blinded by disgust to the whole notion of Racial Nationalism or Racialism. And notice that I did not mention Radical, we must be Radical! There is no solution to our problems that is not Radical! As Sepp has implied we are Revolutionairies and not Conservatives! Current Societies have nothing positive to conserve, we require Social Revolution! We might even be Nihilist to a certain extent!

    Otherwise there will be no success and we may only hope to establish all-Europid communities in segregated zones where only Racial Loyalists may reside, but that is basically giving up, at least the whole of Europe should belong to us!
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    In my opinion rather than call a newer and solid all-encompassing world-view European Nationalism, we might rather define it as Pan-European Racialism to be adopted for the benefit of the Europid or European Racial Folk. Blood and Soil must be conjugated with Culture and Values as you clearly highlight correctly that Culture and Values are vital elements for a Civilisation and most importantly the recognition of this Culture and these Values is essentially for a Folkish Racialism to extend over all of Europe most importantly and secondly to the European Colonies still populated by a Europid demographic majority (though this can be temporary if current trends are not reversed unfortunately, but you get my point I suppose).
    The reason I call this European Nationalism is because nation is built out of race, and race, in mainstream usage (FP Yockey and Julius Evola are primary exceptions) does not include culture, while Nation includes both. European Nationalism covers more than just Europe, as it is a cultural and racial political philosophy, not a mere geographical one (though the idea of Mother Europe is obvious a core element) as the Jewish-Left elite would have it.

    In addition, the widespread cultural idea of European Nationalism would smooth over intra-European national-political problems.

    Effectively, a European Nationalism would cover anywhere people of European descent and culture exist.

    The first thing to die for our success is Political Corretness, rather than blend in with the Politically Correct through some form of mild Nationalism, we must become Politically Viable!
    In short, real race, culture and soil nationalist rather than the "conservative nationalism" of people who walk around museums and "admire" history.

    The problem with most Individuals and Organisations which try to appeal to our instinct of self-preservation is that they are too Hardcore and perhaps virulently Racist to a point where the average person will simply be blinded by disgust to the whole notion of Racial Nationalism or Racialism. And notice that I did not mention Radical, we must be Radical! There is no solution to our problems that is not Radical! As Sepp has implied we are Revolutionairies and not Conservatives! Current Societies have nothing positive to conserve, we require Social Revolution! We might even be Nihilist to a certain extent!
    "Europe is no longer a civilization, it's just a place where everyone goes - we plan to change that". To the current order, we are inevitably nihilists. To the future order we are warriors, prophets, priests and soldiers, and above all, revolutionaries.

    Otherwise there will be no success and we may only hope to establish all-Europid communities in segregated zones where only Racial Loyalists may reside, but that is basically giving up, at least the whole of Europe should belong to us!
    There will be no surrender. Europe is our holy land, the motherland of our race and civilization, it will not fall before the tides of darkness, and neither will the lands of its children. Not if we have any say in the matter.
    All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream at night, in the dusky recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity. But the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act their dreams, with open eyes, to make it possible.

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    What do you suggest should be the main driving forces in what you term European Nationalism in terms of Philosophy and Political Ideology?

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    See the new thread by me (now known as Anarch).
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    Post European Variations

    Those who see themselves as 'Europeans' often find to their consternation that there are many views of what 'Europe' can mean/be.

    My main concern is how Europe is divided, and where it terminates.

    I will list some perspectives below, hoping that others can add more, as well as comment on those given.

    a) First, I will look at how Europe can be divided.

    Dual;

    East vs West
    North vs South
    Latin vs Germanic
    Protestant vs Catholic
    Atlantic vs Mediterranean


    Triple;

    Slav/ Latin/ Germanic
    Catholic/ Protestant/ Orthodox
    Orthodox/ Islam/ Western Christian

    b) Pan-Europeanism.

    The problem here is where shall Europe end - what is the boundary of this united Europa?
    Variants include;

    Islam
    The East
    Non-Christian/Heathen
    Russia/Slav/Orthodox
    Mediterranean/North Africa
    Asia/Steppe

    Each suggestion above is where 'Fortress Europe' should end [see also Mosley's 'Europ a Nation'].

    c) The 'types' of Europe can be quickly covered as they have been looked at in previous threads;

    Europe of the Peoples - here Europe is thought of in terms of racial/ethnic groups.

    Europe of the Regions

    Europe of Nations
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    Indeed, the nuances of europe are endless, so much so, that the caviling and quibbling about such minor gradations could become a threat in itself.

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    These are hardly "minor" gradations!
    Millions have died in wars and terror over these variations!

    It is very significant that Hitler said;

    "The real frontier is the one that separates the Germanic world from the Slav world".
    [Adolf Hitler, Table-Talk, 23 September 1941]

    Where you draw the line, or how you view 'Europe' makes ALL the difference in the world!

    Do I detect a turning away from reality here - an unwillingness to grapple with the geopolitical realities?

    You at least have the honesty to call yourself a 'nihilist' ...
    Why are there beings at all, & why not rather nothing?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moody Lawless
    These are hardly "minor" gradations!
    Millions have died in wars and terror over these variations!

    It is very significant that Hitler said;

    "The real frontier is the one that separates the Germanic world from the Slav world".
    [Adolf Hitler, Table-Talk, 23 September 1941]

    Where you draw the line, or how you view 'Europe' makes ALL the difference in the world!

    Do I detect a turning away from reality here - an unwillingness to grapple with the geopolitical realities?

    You at least have the honesty to call yourself a 'nihilist' ...
    no, i'm well aware of their hazardous nature, i'm just implying they should be of minor consequence until we at least get the fundamentals in place. In otherwords banding together against a much bigger enemy; namely the threat of racial and cultural nihilism of european people.

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    These ARE the fundamentals.
    What is the first question in war?
    - "Friend or foe"?

    Not only that, these divisions etc., are implicit in EVERYONE'S position here.

    When we opine we are basing that on an unspoken bias.
    It could come from a Latin vs Germanic bias, a Germanic vs Slav bias, Christian vs Heathen bias etc.,

    It is well to try to understand all that, as many of these biases are unthinkingly accepted de facto.
    In some cases, contradictory biases operate without the opiner knowing.

    So these basic standpoints are generally not thought-through enough.

    Why imitate the racial classification dogma of a Coon or a McCulloch without sorting out your OWN perspective.

    Of course, most perspectives derive from our own blood and soil - but see how many are 'adopted' like stray children!

    Where one orients one-self in the positions I gave in the first post above may be even more important than your views on capital punishment - indeed, I am sure it is.

    But it is easier to bang a picture on the web of some non-entity and say 'classify that', or to go for a poll on capital punishment etc., But to see where one's basic political/cultural stance lay - THAT is harder to get to grips with.

    But we must tackle all of this, if only to tidy up our use of language.
    [On that, I must do something on what is or is not 'Western'].
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