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    Post Re: Cromagnon Face Reconstruction

    Quote Originally Posted by Vitor
    many...!
    just like the anglo-saxon bullshit!
    Are you telling that we still follow mohamed?
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    Of course no. Modern Portuguese are a mix of UPs, Neolithics, Germanic invaders,Phoenicians, Black Africans, Moors, etc, all of them assimilated and nowdays converted to Cristianism. And we can´t forget the Jewish contribuition !

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    ''When the Roman Legions overran the Jewish nation, much of the Jewish population was sent into exile throughout the Roman Empire. Many were sent to the IBERIAN peninsula.

    The Jewish nation in Iberia, numbering approximately 750,000 in the year 1492, were banished from Spain by royal decree of Ferdinand and Isabella

    The Jews of Portugal, were banished by royal decree several years later. Relief from the banishment decrees and restoration of civil rights was promised to those Jews who remained and converted to Catholicism. These converts were called CONVERSOS or MARRANOS ''


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    Throughout the Iberian peninsula, Jews were given the choice of death or conversion. Castille in particular was rocked by anti-Jewish rioting that rampaged across the kingdom. When order was restored one year later, it was estimated that 100,000 Jews had been killed, another 100,000 had converted to Christianity, and another 100,000 had survived by going into hiding or fleeing to Muslim lands. (J.S. Gerber, (1992), The Jews of Spain , New York: Free Press)

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    Last edited by Euclides; Monday, November 15th, 2004 at 06:03 AM. Reason: German(ic) would be the correct word.

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    Post Re: Cromagnon Face Reconstruction

    Note that the strongest "Nordic" (Cromagnid) populations on the map are the Northern European and Irish - both of whom are noted for their typically square jaws, body bony faces and bodies, and light coloration.
    don't know what genes they tested...
    if they had choose something else they would turn to something different!

    look the iberians are part amerindian!
    Yah right...
    they are more nordic than mediterranean?
    hum...

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    Post Re: Cromagnon Face Reconstruction

    ''When the Roman Legions overran the Jewish nation, much of the Jewish population was sent into exile throughout the Roman Empire. Many were sent to the IBERIAN peninsula.

    The Jewish nation in Iberia, numbering approximately 750,000 in the year 1492, were banished from Spain by royal decree of Ferdinand and Isabella

    The Jews of Portugal, were banished by royal decree several years later. Relief from the banishment decrees and restoration of civil rights was promised to those Jews who remained and converted to Catholicism. These converts were called CONVERSOS or MARRANOS '
    the ones who run away most went into northern europe.

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    Post Re: Cromagnon Face Reconstruction

    Quote Originally Posted by Scoob
    The topic of this thread is Cromagnons, not modern Iberians. None of the faces Vitor posted resemble the Cromagnon skull.
    Yes, you are right! We need return to the topic. Some Portuguese are always trying to prove that they are ''really europeans'', or something like that.I confess that I am not interested in give food to a little monster called inferiority complex.

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    Post Re: Cromagnon Face Reconstruction

    Modern Portuguese are a mix of UPs, Neolithics, German invaders,Phoenicians, Black Africans, Moors, etc,
    phoenicians? maybe in catalonia not in portugal

    germans? no way!

    black africans? ...not right! maybe they were dark fellows from sahara but still different from those more to the south, but still very little input, and that input reached like I said even scandinavia! (it's a very old contribution) more than 10 000 years ago.

    moors (read that study that I posted)

    etc...aliens?

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    Post Re: Cromagnon Face Reconstruction

    Quote Originally Posted by Euclides
    Yes, you are right! We need return to the topic. Some Portuguese are always trying to prove that they are ''really europeans'', or something like that.I confess that I am not interested in give food to a little monster called inferiority complex.
    Inferiority complex?
    hahaha


    Mediterraneum is the place of all significant civilizations, not in the nordic scandinavia, to me it would be better to connect with the mediterraneum area.

    the problem is that We are old european, more than 60-70% even if YOU DON'T LIKE THAT for whatever reason.

    I still don't know why you fight with so much will my opinions on the old european iberian contribution to western (NOT SCANDINAVIA) europe.
    I give up...

    yah I am not european...I am from polinesia!

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    Post Re: Cromagnon Face Reconstruction

    Quote Originally Posted by Scoob

    Note that around 22kya another Y lineage appears in Europe, the I lineages, apparently from the Middle East, and now found mainly in Central Europe. I suspect these Middle Eastern people eventually mixed with Cromagnon Aurignacian types to produce the modern Alpine types. In any case, this migration was likely to have introduced a more gracile "Mediterranean" (not so cold-adapted) type to Central Europe.

    '' It has been suggested that Gravettian and
    Aurignac groups coexisted for a few thousand
    years, maintaining their identities despite occasional
    contacts.''

    ''After climatic improvement,
    this culture spread north and east''

    You need to see this :
    http://forums.skadi.net/showthread.php?t=20255

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    Post Re: Cromagnon Face Reconstruction

    I am also a proud an patriotic portuguese!
    even if we are aliens we managed so much stuff...with so little land in africa...
    wait in europe!


    It also seems that you are a smart fellow...and wants me to get expelled from your europe...(from this forum)
    the kind of europe that is only nordic...

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    Post Re: Cromagnon Face Reconstruction

    Quote Originally Posted by Vitor
    I believe there might be some blood from the sahara when this was in the process of desertification, this might had forced the locals to migrate north and south. reaching sub-saharan population and propagating and reaching Iberia (in low numbers). ... This african gene reached the northern europe with the iberian migrations, of course there is more of that gene in the south, but still there are some in scandinavia.
    This might be accurate.

    I'd like to know more about the cranial morphology of the Gravettians.
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    Post Re: Cromagnon Face Reconstruction

    Here we go....

    [QUOTE=Vitor]phoenicians? maybe in catalonia not in portugal

    Quote Originally Posted by Vitor
    germans? no way!
    Not Germans, but German(ic)

    Quote Originally Posted by Vitor
    phoenicians? maybe in catalonia not in portugal
    Yes...phoenicians!

    ''From at least the 8th c BC and traditionally earlier (1186 BC), port areas such as Utica and Carthage were settled by these near Eastern navigators and traders from cities such as Tyre. No doubt they were seeking trading centres (emporia) and stepping stones to Spain and southern PORTUGAL (...)''

    Extent Of Phoenician Settlement

    ''The Phoenicians moved west along the coast of North Africa. The area directly west of Egypt is fairly inhospitable, but there are a few settlements in the area. Much more numerous are settlements in the area of Tunisia (where Carthage is). The Phoenicians also settle the southern shore of Iberia (the area south of the Pyrenees, now PORTUGAL and Spain), ''


    source : http://www.barca.fsnet.co.uk/carthage-phoenicians.htm



    pictures : 1-map showing Phoenician colonies in the western Mediterranean
    2-Map of Phoenicia Prima, the Phoenician Colonies, settlements and trade posts that shows the names of Phoenician cities around the Mediterranean and the Atlantic.
    Last edited by Euclides; Monday, November 15th, 2004 at 06:40 AM.

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