View Poll Results: How many children do you have/do you think you will have?

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    Man, this post sounds exactly like what I was going to post. Relationships with women is weird business. I love women, in everyway. I love everything about them. But I am finding it harder and harder to imagine going into a type of "partnership for eternity" due to the weirdness of what is expected for a good relationship. I love to be around women, I love to touch them, and talk to them, smell them ... but I don't want to answer to them. I'm thinking that i'll never be in a relationship again.

    I have two sons from previous relationships. They are both great and I love them a ridiculous amount. But now because of them I have to worry about what I say and do. I love them so I have to stay alive and walk a tight rope on how to "be good and get by, but still be a racialist/activist" without being too insensitive. Parenting is tough. Not because of the financial burden ... but because of the love I must dispense. I want to hate this world in it's entirety. My kids make me care alot more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CruxClaire View Post
    I'm ambivalent about the idea of having or raising children. As far as biological children go, I don't know if I'd want to give life to a human being - I'd feel guilty, probably because I've personally concluded that it would have been better if I was not born (I'm not depressed; that's based on my sense of logic, given that I spend much of my time worrying about dying).

    I'm not sure if I'd do well raising them, either. I would either be too lenient or too harsh (I'm not fond of punishment and I'm something of a pushover, but I have a hot temper). If I adopted a child and that child didn't share the certain mental/emotional/personality traits that a biological child of mine might inherit to a certain degree, I would have trouble understanding him/her (for example, I wouldn't know how to deal with an extroverted social butterfly).

    There's also the question of whether childbearing would take away career prospects - I don't think I would make a good stay-at-home mom. I need to have some sort of intellectual stimulation on a regular basis, and I think leaving me at home all day would just turn me into even more of an internet recluse.

    Your post is very atheistic. I know you're an atheist but, as much as I like the dark, hopelessness is not a part of MY dark. Just saying ... you'd be amazed at what having a child would make you do. Especially a woman. Those instincts kick in and life as you know it changes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CruxClaire View Post
    I'm ambivalent about the idea of having or raising children. As far as biological children go, I don't know if I'd want to give life to a human being - I'd feel guilty, probably because I've personally concluded that it would have been better if I was not born (I'm not depressed; that's based on my sense of logic, given that I spend much of my time worrying about dying).
    It's almost always people with the same personality type who have this attitude toward child bearing. A cynical worldview and not wanting children get on swimmingly (which is probably why Germany's birth rate is so much lower than that of other Germanic nations), and this wouldn't bother me were this attitude not exclusive to Europeans, but it is. I'm pretty much the only cynical person I know -- and judging by your posts, I'm much more cynical than you -- who likes and wants children. But I never was very good at fitting models. I'm an exception to the rule, and the fact I'm an exception to the rule is precisely the same reason intelligent Europeans are churning out next to no offspring.

    I'm not sure if I'd do well raising them, either. I would either be too lenient or too harsh (I'm not fond of punishment and I'm something of a pushover, but I have a hot temper). If I adopted a child and that child didn't share the certain mental/emotional/personality traits that a biological child of mine might inherit to a certain degree, I would have trouble understanding him/her (for example, I wouldn't know how to deal with an extroverted social butterfly).
    Right. Adoption of a non-relative is an extremely unnatural situation, and your organism would heartily reject it until stifled under a million or so weak-but-necessary-in-order-to-go-on rationalisations.

    There's also the question of whether childbearing would take away career prospects
    I'd say this is the primary reason for the near zero fertility of female Chinamen and Southern & Eastern Europeans, but I'd say cynicism is the major factor for Germanics.

    I don't think I would make a good stay-at-home mom. I need to have some sort of intellectual stimulation on a regular basis, and I think leaving me at home all day would just turn me into even more of an internet recluse.
    But unless you procure a job as a skydiving instructor or an experimental physicist, how will your career stimulate you in any way? Most careers involve counting paperclips and experimenting with the gymnastic capabilities of clicky pens until the clock hits five.

    (Pro tip: If you disassemble the pen and then twist the spring really tight, just twist it as tight as you can, then the pen will jump a lot higher when you push it down on the table and let go than it would if you just kept it at boring factory settings).

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    Quote Originally Posted by CruxClaire View Post
    I'm ambivalent about the idea of having or raising children. As far as biological children go, I don't know if I'd want to give life to a human being - I'd feel guilty, probably because I've personally concluded that it would have been better if I was not born (I'm not depressed; that's based on my sense of logic, given that I spend much of my time worrying about dying).
    You will change your attitude early to mid 20s. Believe me, you will. Especially if you continue to stay on Germanic or WN 'preservationist' bulletin boards. Right now you are in your 'lefty-phase', questioning everything. I too was there at your age.

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    How Many Children Do You Have?

    My impression has been that a lot of people on these kind of fora are childless which can be alarming.

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    Like I said, I'm ambivalent - I certainly haven't ruled out the possibility of having children yet. In my visions of potential happy futures, sometimes I have kids and sometimes I don't. I'm not particularly skilled in my dealings with them (I tend to lack outward enthusiasm, due to my introverted and reserved nature), but I do sometimes covet the bond I see between parents and their children. Parenting gone wrong is painful to observe, and I'm sure painful to be a part of as well, but parenting gone right has a definite beauty to it.

    I just wonder whether my genetic/evolutionary instincts play any role in my stance on the matter. I imagine that in the next ten years or so, there will be some point at which I will want children, but possibly due in large part to the natural tendency of living organisms to reproduce. I'm not exactly sure where the point is where my conscious mind transitions to instincts and human nature.

    Another thing I didn't previously mention but would also be a factor is the need for a father - I wouldn't consider getting married just for the purpose of parenthood, since that relationship would mostly likely fail catastrophically. And yet, to find someone I fit that well with seems unlikely, since many of my personally traits are apparently unusual and I'm generally awkward. As far as relationships go, though, I wouldn't consider myself cynical (I believe in lifelong trust and love, etc.). It's just that some of my world views are kind of cynical, based on society's definition of cynicism, because I'm an atheistic existentialist and don't believe in souls/eternal life/the ever-sacred nature of family bonds. I don't view having a child as bringing one of God's children into the world to be saved and live in eternal paradise, as many of my fellow Americans do. I see it as giving life to an individual that may or may not be ultimately happy and will eventually pass into eternal oblivion, just like the rest of us.

    Sigurd and Hamar Fox, you made good points about the career things. I think I would actually prefer working from home to taking on a 9 to 5 cubicle job. I'm planning on double majoring in economics and German in college, though, which will probably result in an office job eventually. The statistical analysis that might be involved is something I would look forward to, though, since I do find statistics and the way people manipulate them based on their agendas to be fascinating.
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    I have no children so far, but I didn't vote yet.

    Me and my fiance are both 22, so we have much time left for making children and our plan is that I get pregnant with our first child within this year, 2012. He is the absolutely right partner for me, we really love each other, we have the same ideals and I can't imagine that we will separate ever.

    I will vote in this poll when I'm 30 years older than I am now (because I definitely won't get pregnant anymore when I am over 50). I will see how many children I will have up until then. Chances are very slim that I will have none.

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    One little boy.

    Wow, nobody voted more than one child.

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    two of my own and one step son
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    None as of yet. I will probably bookmark this thread quite closely though, and come back to it in 5-10 years, the results might be looking different, as I plan to begin having children right after I exit university - I suppose one might be able to support whilst still in full-time study, but further children would have wait until I have a secure career (luckily not so unlikely due to potential "nepotism" working in my favour )

    Quote Originally Posted by Bärin View Post
    Wow, nobody voted more than one child.
    Much of the membership are young folks who may not yet have found the right partner and/or gotten around to it yet. A twenty-year-old voting for "one" will be different than a forty-year-old voting for "one", the former may still end up with a dozen if they're aiming for that large a family, whilst the latter is very unlikely to have more than at best a second and third.

    For instance, a comrade and his wife are both 23 and are currently expecting their second, at a time when most people haven't yet settled down, and most would agree that this would be a role model to emulate. Yet if they participated in this poll, they'd have no choice but to pick the "one" option as well.
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