View Poll Results: How would you characterize Ancient Greek Civilization (and Philosophy) ?

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  • Aryan

    17 23.61%
  • Mediteranean

    13 18.06%
  • Essentialy Mediteranean

    6 8.33%
  • Middle Eastern

    2 2.78%
  • Asian

    0 0%
  • Nordic

    3 4.17%
  • Balcan

    1 1.39%
  • Celtic (!)

    0 0%
  • Just....Greek

    15 20.83%
  • Hellenic

    43 59.72%
  • Aigyptian

    1 1.39%
  • Babylonian

    0 0%
  • African

    1 1.39%
  • I would have voted for a previous option, if I was not an ignorant fool..

    1 1.39%
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Thread: How Would You Characterize the Ancient Greek Civilization/Philosophy?

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    Post How Would You Characterize the Ancient Greek Civilization/Philosophy?

    This is not a tricky question. I am just interested in listening what is the first thing that comes to your mind. Depending on what you know, or even what you assume about Ancient Greek Civilisation and Philosophy.

    I will enable multiple choice for the undecided students

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    Post Re: How would you characterize Ancient Greek Civilization/Philosophy?

    Hellenic.
    All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream at night, in the dusky recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity. But the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act their dreams, with open eyes, to make it possible.

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    Post Re: How would you characterize Ancient Greek Civilization/Philosophy?

    Hellenic...what else? :huh

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    Post Re: How would you characterize Ancient Greek Civilization/Philosophy?

    Hellenic, of course.

    For the real, historical Aryan civilization, look at the Scythians, and the civilization
    of India which arose from the clash between the Aryans and the local Dravidians and others.

    It's not 'mediterranean', because there were more different civs in the med. area than there were in the entire rest of the world.

    An essential middle-eastern civ. is ancient Persia. ( not including the oldest civilizations ( neolithic agr; sumerian, assyrian ) which appeared in that area, and which are the precursors to everything else.

    old Balkan civs are more in the vein of Illyrian, Thracian, Phrygian etc. ( proto-Hellenic ), as the Hellenic civilization was basically what became after the Balkan tribes encountered the Pelasgians. Not much more advanced than that of the Celtic, Slavic, Germanic, Scythian/Aryan peoples.

    Egypt is something else.

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    Post Re: How would you characterize Ancient Greek Civilization/Philosophy?

    An essential middle-eastern civ. is ancient Persia. ( not including the oldest civilizations ( neolithic agr; sumerian, assyrian ) which appeared in that area, and which are the precursors to everything else.
    Uh, Persia was an Aryan empire, not semitic.
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    Post Re: How would you characterize Ancient Greek Civilization/Philosophy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack The Ripper
    Uh, Persia was an Aryan empire, not semitic.
    It was heavily influenced by older Semitic civilizations like the Assyrian.
    I labeled it as 'essential middle-eastern' because it lasted the longest,
    it combined the elements of the first world civilizations of the area with
    the elements of nomadic peoples who also lived in the area ( Cimmerians ),
    and finally, it's influence shines through some aspects of the Islamic civilization.

    The Sumerians were neither Semitic nor 'Aryan'.

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    Post Re: How would you characterize Ancient Greek Civilization/Philosophy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Awar
    It was heavily influenced by older Semitic civilizations like the Assyrian.
    I labeled it as 'essential middle-eastern' because it lasted the longest,
    it combined the elements of the first world civilizations of the area with
    the elements of nomadic peoples who also lived in the area ( Cimmerians ),
    and finally, it's influence shines through some aspects of the Islamic civilization.

    The Sumerians were neither Semitic nor 'Aryan'.
    I suspect the Assyrians probably didnt have Semitic racial origins, although they used Semitic languages later.

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    Post Re: How would you characterize Ancient Greek Civilization/Philosophy?

    Yeah, I read a bit about the non-semitic origin of Assyrians, but
    I thought it's not really important for this discussion.

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    Post Re: How would you characterize Ancient Greek Civilization/Philosophy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Awar
    Yeah, I read a bit about the non-semitic origin of Assyrians, but
    I thought it's not really important for this discussion.
    But in a way I think it is, because it shows how languages can be adopted without changing ethnicity. It seems that Greek was just one language in early Greece which caught on late and without a population replacement, like Semitic languages arrived in Assyria.

    Mainland Greek civilisation is continuous from the Bronze Age, but not everyone in Bronze Age Greece was Greek at this early time. Its because of this reason that the origin of Greek civilisation was continuous with that in Anatolia and should be considered as Agean and more generally as a part of the Eastern Mediterranean, and the closest options in the poll are Mediterranean and Essentially Mediterranean.

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    Post Re: How would you characterize Ancient Greek Civilization/Philosophy?

    Yes, but only in that period
    Essentially mediterranean would mean that there's some
    serious similarity goin' on between all the civilizations in the mediterranean
    in all the eras. I just don't think there's such a strong connection between
    the civs of Iberria/Spain, Carthago, the Levant, the Arabs, ancient and Islamic Egypt,
    Aegean, Balkans, Apenines ( Etruscan, Roman and renneisance ) etc. etc.

    So, in a word, no, I don't think there's such a thing as one all-encompassing med civilization.

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