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    Do you have any evidence to support this assertion?
    I will tell you what, instead of me citing sources, links, quotes of a Jewish inspired NATO; you just cite sources, links, quotes, etc. that NATO had no Jewish origin/backing and was just a all white endeavor--good luck.

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    Post Re: Secret EU plan to kill NATO

    Quote Originally Posted by Nordic Dream Maiden
    I will tell you what, instead of me citing sources, links, quotes of a Jewish inspired NATO; you just cite sources, links, quotes, etc. that NATO had no Jewish origin/backing and was just a all white endeavor--good luck.
    Undoubtedly there were some Jews involved in its creation. Your claim, however, is effectively that Jews were solely responsible for its creation, or its potential dissolution, and that everyone else involved was simply acting as their agents, serving their interests alone. Since you have made this claim, the onus is on you to prove it, not on me to falsify it. I'd also be interested to know why you think the Jews created NATO, whether they also created the Warsaw Pact, why (if so) they dissolved the Warsaw Pact, and why (in any case) it might now serve their interests to dissolve NATO. Good luck in your endeavours.
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    Post Re: Secret EU plan to kill NATO

    Strong new French-German alliance is the major backbone of the continent. Its time for the continental Europe to stand on their own feet and get rid of the NATO joke!

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    Since you have made this claim, the onus is on you to prove it, not on me to falsify it. I'd also be interested to know why you think the Jews created NATO, whether they also created the Warsaw Pact, why (if so) they dissolved the Warsaw Pact, and why (in any case) it might now serve their interests to dissolve NATO. Good luck in your endeavours
    Not going to play your game, I don't have to "convince" anyone on this Forum that Jews have their hands in everything--you can go to the Forums Jewish Question, Economics, Politics and you can start posting into threads against what (Jewish econ/pol/milit/corp/indust control) they have posted I would be very interested in a poster here on Skadi trying to downplay or dissolve Jewish involvement; which makes me suspicious as in real life Pro-White organizations you will never hear anything stating (they want) "proof" of any Jewish involvment; if you think NATO and the Warsaw Pact wasn't the direct result of Jewry then you can tell me how the many Billions of dollars loaned from International Jewry to both sides didn't have incentives/motives attached--please email me when you post in those forums to disprove/appease any Jewish involvement--as I want to see it or see it on another Racialist Website; if you want to defend elite Jews--I don't think your going to like any White Racialist site--as with the vast majority of any real Physical Pro-white organization or is: the Jew has created and allowed everything to happen in regards to his best interest--not ours--

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    Post Re: Secret EU plan to kill NATO

    Quote Originally Posted by Nordic Dream Maiden
    Not going to play your game, I don't have to "convince" anyone on this Forum that Jews have their hands in everything--you can go to the Forums Jewish Question, Economics, Politics and you can start posting into threads against what (Jewish econ/pol/milit/corp/indust control) they have posted I would be very interested in a poster here on Skadi trying to downplay or dissolve Jewish involvement; which makes me suspicious as in real life Pro-White organizations you will never hear anything stating (they want) "proof" of any Jewish involvment; if you think NATO and the Warsaw Pact wasn't the direct result of Jewry then you can tell me how the many Billions of dollars loaned from International Jewry to both sides didn't have incentives/motives attached--please email me when you post in those forums to disprove/appease any Jewish involvement--as I want to see it or see it on another Racialist Website; if you want to defend elite Jews--I don't think your going to like any White Racialist site--as with the vast majority of any real Physical Pro-white organization or is: the Jew has created and allowed everything to happen in regards to his best interest--not ours--
    Because I have asked you support your claims with evidence, I am defending the interests of elite Jews? I get the impression you're not asked to articulate or defend your views very frequently.

    Let's be clear; this is a highbrow sub-forum devoted to the critical discussion of politics, free from the PC speech codes that would render impossible the discussion of ideas from a racialist standpoint. That means you can say whatever you want, as long as it is of a reasonably high intellectual calibre and doesn't violate the forum rules - however, you must be prepared to back up your claims with evidence. This is in part designed to promote critical thinking as well as improving your ability to articulate your views. If you can't persuasively argue for your claims here, on a website that promotes racialist perspectives, then how can you possibly do so in the real world?

    As for real physical pro-white organizations, I am well aware of their views. I am also aware that they have failed dismally to have the slightest significant impact on the consciousness of the mainstream population. There are many reasons for this, but their propensity to preach dogma to the converted and failure to persuasively articulate their views to the masses is surely one of the more significant of them.

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    Post Re: Secret EU plan to kill NATO

    I will ask anyone who continues to post on this thread to remain on-topic (i.e. the subtantive discussion about the EU and NATO), and to comply with the criteria set out in my posts above, i.e. you should be willing to support your arguments with evidence if another member asks you to do so.

    Please note that it is not acceptable for a member to post an assertion on a highbrow forum, and then positively refuse to provide any evidence to support their claims if asked to do so. Anyone who wants to make assertions without being bothered to substantiate anything they say is free to do so in the lowbrow forums.

    It should be obvious that willingness to define, develop, defend and document one's substantive arguments is a basic prerequisite of participation in a highbrow forum. I don't expect to have to make this point on this thread again.

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    Germany and the Purpose of NATO

    A view I heard express in Russia a couple of years ago was that NATO is run by about 1500 families, mainly Jewish in origin.

    The fact that the former communist countries of eastern Europe that wished to join NATO all have to enshrine in their legal system Holocaust denial laws, speaks for itself.

    In January 1999 Poland enacted such laws, and in April it joined NATO, by June the first academic, from Opolen University, was before the courts: Dr Dariusz Ratajczak. The court's sentence destroyed his career.

    That's how it works for individuals!

    Get the details by writing to Dr Ratajczak dariusz.ratajczak@wp.pl

    Fredrick Töben
    11 February 2005
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    ----- Original Message -----
    From: New Order
    Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 3:13 PM
    Subject: Germany and the Purpose of NATO


    COMMENTARY

    Germany and the Purpose of NATO

    By GUILLERMO COLETTI

    I have often considered writing about the real purpose of the North
    Atlantic Treaty Organization, as I see it. However, lack of means to
    substantiate a number of my suspicions was a major reason of
    discouragement.

    Now I have at my disposal something that can help me break the ice:
    an American General speaks openly, on national television, on the real
    reason for the existence of NATO. What he has to say is quite interesting
    for the uninitiated as well as for the irreverent and the perennial skeptic.
    I will use this opportunity to explain some of my initial ideas on this matter.

    Adolf Hitler, simultaneously with Mussolini, and other European leaders,
    was involved in an extraordinary effort to eradicate the threat of Bolshevik
    tyranny from Europe. The stability of the governments they led was
    threatened via the USA as much, or perhaps more, than any danger that
    could have originated in Moscow.

    When Hitler's defense of Europe was forced into the military alternative,
    the United States made an alliance with Stalin. That to me was an indication
    that America was becoming friendlier to Communism than to the traditional
    values of Western Europe. We know that American intervention resulted in
    a greater and stronger Soviet Russia. The Communists have indeed a debt
    of gratitude to America for the expansion of Bolshevism.

    But when the Second World War was over, America "agitated" the anti-
    Communist cause and formed NATO! Why NATO? It all sounded very phony
    to me, because if America had truly stood against Bolshevism it should have
    joined Hitler, Mussolini, and Franco, instead of Josef Stalin. America, of course,
    has never admitted to have fought on the wrong side.

    I can't help but asking myself when was NATO a real problem for the solidity
    of Soviet Communism? Certainly not when Russian tanks and the Red Army
    occupied the streets of Prague, or Budapest. The anti-Communism of the
    American Establishment has always been as serious as an Abbot-and-Costello
    movie.

    However, America's true concern was what Germany represented and what
    to this day survives in the German. Ellie Wiesel expressed similar sentiments,
    when he advocated that every Jew must have same room in his heart for
    hatred against the Germans. The great difference between Wiesel, Franklin
    Delano Roosevelt and "Ike" Eisenhower is that Wiesel has expressed his
    emotions with more sincerity. The real hazard to the American Way,
    the America of the Gay Pride Parades and Martin Luther King Day, was not
    Bolshevism, but the Traditional Western values that Germany had tried to
    maintain at the expense of a multitude of sacrifices.

    On April 24, 1999, NBC aired John McLaughlin's "One on One." The show had
    the participation of two guests: Lieutenant General William Odom and Professor
    Harvey Sapolsky. We are going to review same of the remarks made by General
    Odom.

    General William Odom was introduced as a graduate from West Point, who
    obtained his PhD at Columbia. He served in President Carter's National Security
    Council and during President Reagan's administration in the Office of the Army
    Chief of Staff for Intelligence and for the director of Reagan's National Security
    Agency. He is currently director of International Security Studies at the Hudson
    Institute and professor of Public Policy and Organization in the Department
    of Political Science at the prestigious Massachusetts Institute of Technology,
    where he is also the Director of the Security Program. Gen. Odom authored
    six books, the latest of which is The Collapse of Soviet Military.

    What I have always suspected as the real purpose of NATO was disclosed,
    much to my surprise, right at the beginning of the show by Gen. Odom:
    "(NATO) was created not as most people think to defend against the Soviet
    military threat. The French didn't even mention the Soviet Union in the debate
    for it. They wanted NATO to deal with the German question. The British
    wanted NATO to keep the U.S. in Europe."

    Gen. Odom added, still remarkably candid, that "the expansion of NATO is
    for the same reason; the German question versus Poland, Czechoslovakia
    and Hungary is put to bed if there is a NATO roof over it."

    The type of policy advocated by this American General is strikingly similar
    to the policies the Germans were accused of implementing during the Third
    Reich era, in the Nuremberg Trials. Here are two more passages of this
    conversation between McLaughlin and Gen. Odom:

    Mr. McLaughlin: Are we supposed to run Europe?

    Gen. Odom: It pays. Yes.

    Mr. McLaughlin: Why does it pay?

    Gen. Odom: You are richer today because of it.

    And then, Mr. McLaughlin: Can the United States defend its interests
    in Europe without NATO?

    Gen. Odom: No.

    One of Odom's comments brings to public attention a second player in the
    game, further substantiating the Germanophobic character of NATO: "In 1994,
    the British foreign secretary said it would be better to have the Russians on
    the Adriatic than the Germans."

    I hope that this brief article will bring some light to those who still don't
    understand why Dresden was destroyed and why millions of Germans were
    exterminated in American and Russian concentration camps at the end
    of the war.

    Those who desire to verify the veracity of these quotes can order their own
    transcript of "One on One" from:

    Federal News Service
    620 National Press Building
    Washington, DC 20045
    (202) 347-1400


    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------


    One of the best indications of the correctness of the above contention is the
    simple fact that while the U.S. military is scrambling to maintain its troop strength
    in Iraq, it is not even discussing the redeployment of forces from Germany.
    After all, they are there—just as in Iraq—for the purpose of OCCUPATION!

    Here are one correspondent's further comments:

    Dear Mr. Coletti:

    Many thanks for your excellent analysis of NATO as an occupier of Germany,
    rather than a defender of Europe. I have seen these indications in my own
    research over the years on such major points as The Cold War Hoax, to wit:

    The U.S.A. aided in the foundation of the Soviet Union and continued to fund
    it and feed it until its recent name-change under its kosher commissars now
    turned capitalist.

    Then I encountered such minor points as the article of the United Nations
    Charter that allows any World War II ally to invade Germany unilaterally,
    at any time. The deployment and equipment of NATO forces was far more
    appropriate to an occupation force, than it was 'for the defense of Europe'.

    The fact that the French kicked NATO headquarters out of France was
    another indication of NATO's true role as occupier of Europe. It is obvious
    that the undemocratic Zionist occupation regime in Germany would be swept
    away were NATO to leave or evaporate, for Germans bear the burden of
    endless tribute to their enemies inside and outside Germany.

    From my childhood experience in wartime U.S.A., I had no doubt who was
    the enemy of White Civilization: it was the people of the U.S.A. The Germans
    were the defenders of White Civilization.

    Hitler deemed those who appreciate music to have political potential.
    I appreciate music in the European tradition. Such music quickly vanished
    after 1945 on U.S. radio stations.

    As I noted, the Western Allies SEEMED to champion White Civilization,
    so Whites who fought for the Western Allies were successfully duped into
    killing the defenders of our civilization in the name of White Civilization!

    It is cruel irony that Stalin duped Russians into fighting fellow nationalists
    in the name of nationalism. That is why Soviet propaganda suddenly switched
    from its promotion of Communist internationalism to the promotion of Mother
    Russia. Anything to gull the Goyim.

    After 1945 we could see what we really fought for: the Afro-Asiatic values
    of Judaism! In musical terms, postwar American culture was dominated by Africa,
    not Europe, as we see today. The White people served their purpose as the
    destroyers of their fellow Whites. Now they are being 'phased out' culturally
    and demographically. The absurd thing is that most Whites seem to enjoy being
    Africanized and Judaized to extinction.

    Most Whites have lost their racial identity under the Jewish spell. Many of them
    identify with their enemies: They applaud non-White victories and side with
    non-Whites on every issue. If Whites are to survive, along with White Civilization,
    we must become aware of our racial identity and become pro-White. Afterwards,
    our successful self-defense will follow logically and naturally.

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