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    Post What Would Does it Take to be Considered Very Well Educated?

    What does it take to be considered a very well educated person?

    How many years of formal education would this entail?

    What level of post-graduate degree would be the minimum? A Masters Degree? A PhD.?

    And most importantly, what courses of study should one have taken to help make them a very well educated person?

    History?
    -European
    -North Atlantic

    Philosophy?
    -Logic
    -Metaphysics
    -Ethics
    -Epistymology
    -Theology

    English?
    -Literature
    -Grammar
    -Writing

    Foreign Languages?
    -Classical Latin
    -Ancient Greek
    -French
    -German

    Music?
    -Classical
    -Opera

    Art History?

    Psychology?
    -Abnormal
    -Social

    Sociology?

    Economics?
    -Macro
    -Micro

    Politics?

    Geography?

    Anthropology?

    Maths?
    -Calculus
    -Algebra
    -Trigonometry
    -Geometry

    Chemistry?

    Physics?

    Biology?

    Astronomy?


    Should someone considered to be a very well educated person be able to speak at least one foreign language fluently?

    Should they be adept at recognising and choosing the right wine?

    Should they be familiar with haute cuisine?


    I would appreciate if any of you could answer these questions I pose, as well as perhaps sharing your own thoughts on this topic.

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    Post Re: What Would Does it Take to be Considered Very Well Educated?

    What Would Does it Take to be Considered Very Well Educated?

    The ability to use relevant words appropriately is right up there...

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    Post Re: What Would Does it Take to be Considered Very Well Educated?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Blond Beast
    What Would Does it Take to be Considered Very Well Educated?

    The ability to use relevant words appropriately is right up there...
    All right, I'm sorry. It's early in the morning here in England, and I didn't get a chance to review my post properly.

    Nevertheless, how's about a thoughtful reply with some input? I would appreciate it. Thanks.

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    Post Re: What Would Does it Take to be Considered Very Well Educated?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ted
    All right, I'm sorry. It's early in the morning here in England, and I didn't get a chance to review my post properly.
    Some of these disciplines are very esoteric, and many of the planet's most intelligent people have spent their lives dealing with minutiae (e.g. physicists and mathematicians) in one field to the detriment of every other discipline.

    The erudite men of antiquity were well-rounded, being generally familiar with aspects of everything, but this is the 21st Century and there is simply too much to know to be able to be well-versed, let alone generally familiar, with everything.

    Unfortunately, the sciences (implicitly maths) are derided as "boring" or "lame" when in fact they form the basis of existence (e.g. chemistry and biology by extension...). The above disciplines (with the exception of the arts, languages and music) exist in order to shed some light on the reality of the universe and everything it contains; it makes the most sense to start with what you can know.

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    Post Re: What Would Does it Take to be Considered Very Well Educated?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ted
    What does it take to be considered a very well educated person?
    By whose standard?

    How many years of formal education would this entail?
    I have learned far more outside of school than in school. I have learned far more through discussions on forums and private reading than I have learned in any of my English, History or Politics classes at school. Formal education is a certificate to show in front of a company recruitment office, not to gain admiration for intellectual qualities, IMO. I have seen third year university (Bachelor of Arts) students bitching about corporate oppression at Socialist Alternative meetings and I could've torn their arguments apart at fifteen. Formal education is a load of crap.

    What level of post-graduate degree would be the minimum? A Masters Degree? A PhD.?
    I suppose that helps as far as the way other people may see it. That doesn't matter so much for me, though I'd like to aim at a Masters.

    And most importantly, what courses of study should one have taken to help make them a very well educated person?
    Fields, not courses Private study is enough to gain respect from me if someone knows their stuff. Now I'll put anything you've listed that I agree in bold, and anything I add to the list in underline.

    History?
    -European
    -North Atlantic

    -Ancient

    Note: History is very important.

    Philosophy?
    -Logic
    -Metaphysics
    -Ethics
    -Epistymology

    -Theology

    Note: We're asking whether the love of wisdome is important in being well educated?

    English?
    -Literature

    -Grammar
    -Writing

    I have never recieved anything less than an A+ in an English exam for school. In addition, I didn't pay attention to grammar. If one reads widely, in both fiction and non-fiction, one can understand the rules of grammar fairly easily without having to understand relatively specialist terms (noun, adjective, etc.). Because I don't, and I still don't see a need to. Then, I was reading Tom Clancy novels at 10 years old

    Foreign Languages?
    -Classical Latin
    -Ancient Greek
    -French
    -German

    If someone has articulative skill in a foreign language, I may respect them for it. If someone learns Japanese, French, German, Russian, then I'll respect them (if it's a second language, obviously - being born overseas and coming 'here' - wherever here may be - doesn't add any extra points). But learning a minor dialect of a pygmie tribe will not earn you respect from me, but laughter.

    Music?
    -Classical
    -Opera

    Note: Nice, but hardly essential.

    Art History?

    Note: see not to 'Music'.

    Psychology?
    -Abnormal
    -Social


    Social psychology perhaps more than abnormal psychology, although I link social psychology with sociology, and that the differences between social and abnormal are rather big. I'm also interested in both, so knowing more than I know will make me interested in dissecting your mind, so to speak.

    Sociology?

    Definetly.

    Economics?
    -Macro
    -Micro


    Being a fan of the Austrian School of Economics, I do not believe in a micro/macro division of economics. Economics is simply economics. And yes, a decent understanding of the foundations of economics is good.

    Politics?

    Yes.

    Geography?

    I learned the capital cities of the vast majority of countries on the earth when I was seven years old. Geography is good. Geology is not.

    Anthropology?

    Not really.

    Maths?
    -Calculus
    -Algebra
    -Trigonometry
    -Geometry

    Note: I hate maths.

    Chemistry?

    Nice but personally I'm indifferent.

    Physics?

    That's a bit better. I did badly in physics class three years ago but only because I questioned Newton ('every action has an equal and opposite reaction' - if so, how could anything move?). I would've liked to learn more about physics. Relativity would interest me if I can find the time to finish what's on my reading list and eventually get to Stephen Hawking's 'A brief history of time'.

    Biology?

    Evolutionary theory is of particular interest to me.

    Astronomy?

    Very, very nice.

    Should someone considered to be a very well educated person be able to speak at least one foreign language fluently?

    No. Having one parent who comes from a foreign-language speaking home and another parent coming from a native-language speaking home and then speaking both languages at home doesn't make you educated IMO.

    Should they be adept at recognising and choosing the right wine?

    Note: They should know the taste difference between Absolut and Smirnoff vodka. Wine is for the decadents.

    Should they be familiar with haute cuisine?

    I would appreciate if any of you could answer these questions I pose, as well as perhaps sharing your own thoughts on this topic.
    I'm generally a fan of the humanities as opposed to the sciences, unless the two can interlink (biology -> evolutionary psychology -> sociology -> cultural studies). I am horrible at mathematics but I know enough to get myself by. I'm not sure what else to say.
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    Post Re: What Would Does it Take to be Considered Very Well Educated?

    In our age, people do not seem to be given to discourse as a means of determining the level of education of others. This was not the case in the eighteenth century, for example, when the most 'educated' people were taught by private tutors. People did not tell each other where they went to school and what degree they got and from there make assumptions-- they judged each other's knowledgeability of a variety of subjects.

    To the vast majority of people, 'education' is determined by what degree you have and where you got it. Consider the film "Good Will Hunting," in which an impoverished genius remarks to a Harvard student that he can get an education as good as his from the public library-- and the Harvard student responds that someday he will have a degree and a 'good' job.

    It would be a mistake for people who wish to be truly educated to concentrate too much on 'formal education' and their clout in society. They should still make 'good' grades in high school so they can go on to a 'good' college, make 'good' grades in college so they can go on to a 'good' grad school, and so on-- but this is all so they will appear educated to others. More importantly, they should do outside reading and research on the subjects that interest them-- every person should be an expert in at least one field, no matter how narrow or esoteric.

    Some are of the opinion that no quality exists independently of how people perceive it-- if people see you as educated, you are educated, and if they do not, you are not. While this is not true, do not discount the importance of being in society's high regard; it opens up so many opportunities.

    Degrees make one appear educated to the masses; self-education, even if it is known only to oneself and a few others, allows one to say with honesty that he or she is truly knowledgeable.

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    For me scientific culture is as important as humanistic culture, but I guess I'm probably the only one in here to think this way. For scientic culture I mean "exact sciences", of course.

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    Post Re: What Would Does it Take to be Considered Very Well Educated?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ted
    What does it take to be considered a very well educated person?
    That's a hard question to answer. It used to be that an 'education' prepared a person for their entry both into a social class and a station in life. This all changed when capitalism created a new class, the nouveau riche, who could use their newfound wealth to compensate for their lack of a formal education. With the ensuing commodification of culture, the need to be 'well educated' ceased to be relevant. Sadly, in the modern world, the skills needed for professional and social success today depend more on things like audacity, vulgarity, and greed, rather than the social graces and refinements once associated with a well rounded education.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ted
    Should someone considered to be a very well educated person be able to speak at least one foreign language fluently?

    Should they be adept at recognising and choosing the right wine?

    Should they be familiar with haute cuisine?
    All irrelevant.

    Gangsta rap culture, with its tasteless blend of clownish sports attires, oversized jewelry, profane lingo, slutty women, and comical attempts at Western connoisseurism, mark the new minimalist standard Jews have set for the acquisition of an 'education'.

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    A person who possesses a certificate of achievement stating that one has an extensive knowledge in a specific or general area of study.
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    Post Re: What Would Does it Take to be Considered Very Well Educated?

    What does it take to be considered a very well educated person?

    How many years of formal education would this entail?
    Between about 6 and about 15 depending whether one stops at a master's or goes to an MD-Ph.D.


    What level of post-graduate degree would be the minimum? A Masters Degree? A PhD.?
    To be perceived as very educated in society, I'd say Ph.D. To be actually educated, one can have a bachelor's and teach oneself everything else one needs to know.


    And most importantly, what courses of study should one have taken to help make them a very well educated person?

    History?
    -European
    -North Atlantic
    Are you including American and Canadian in North Atlantic?
    I would add Middle Eastern and East Asian at the very least.


    Philosophy?
    -Logic
    -Metaphysics
    -Ethics
    -Epistymology
    All vital to a basic education.


    -Theology
    Can be interesting, but its necessity is exaggerated.


    English?
    -Literature
    -Grammar
    -Writing
    All absolutely necessary.


    Foreign Languages?
    -Classical Latin
    Most educated people have a passable working knowledge of at least rudimentary Latin phrases. They also can identify a lot of Latin roots by their etymologies through English.


    -Ancient Greek
    As important as Latin, though does not afford as many useful phrases.


    -French
    The importance of French in being 'educated' tends to be overstated.


    -German
    More important than French, but not quite as important as Latin or Greek.


    Music?
    -Classical
    -Opera
    In my opinion, familiarity with the classics is an absolute necessity, but I suppose one could be highly educated in general and not be particularly well-versed in them.


    Art History?
    I feel the same way about it as I do about classical music and opera.


    Psychology?
    Depends.


    -Abnormal
    Good to know, but I wouldn't say it is vital.


    -Social
    'Social psychology' is usually Marxist-Freudian-Jewish garbage.


    Sociology?
    An even bigger pile of sh*t than social psychology. Jewish-Marxist to the core. Worse than useless, it is actually detrimental to sound thinking.


    Economics?
    -Macro
    -Micro
    The dismal science. Nice to know it, but plenty of people whom I would consider highly educated are weak in economics.


    Politics?
    Too fickle, too many shifting definitions and theories to be a solid discipline. The highly educated still make it a point to know the politics of their day, I would say.


    Geography?
    An essential discipline.


    Anthropology?
    Physical, interesting and useful but not vital; social, utter tripe.


    Maths?
    -Calculus
    At least a semester of college-level calculus, preferably 2 or more.


    -Algebra

    -Trigonometry

    -Geometry
    One should receive a solid foundation in these during high school, usually at least a year of each.


    Chemistry?
    Its importance cannot be overstated.


    Physics?
    See above.


    Biology?
    The most practical of the sciences, in my biased opinion. One should at least have a rudimentary understanding of major phylogenic divisions, general evolutionary theory, basic Mendelian genetics, and universal cellular metabolic processes as well as DNA replication, transcription and translation.


    Astronomy?
    Fascinating, but not a sine qua non of erudition.


    Should someone considered to be a very well educated person be able to speak at least one foreign language fluently?
    In the modern university, one is often encouraged to pursue a single language to a fairly basic level, at which point one is deemed sufficiently well-trained and instruction ceases. What is unfortunate is that students in serious disciplines often do not have time to pursue as many languages as they would like, myself included. By age 30, it has been my experience that people have had enough life experience, or time to take lessons, or time to teach themselves if they possess the motivation, such that one should be more or less fluent in at least one language.


    Should they be adept at recognising and choosing the right wine?

    Should they be familiar with haute cuisine?
    IMO these are important traits, but I am admittedly a bon vivant. These are not really requisite for being well-educated.

    As you can see, I subscribe fairly strongly to the somewhat antiquated ideal of the Renaissance Man or man of letters. However, as Blond Beast very accurately pointed out, there is simply an incomprehensible amount of knowledge in the world today such that, if one wishes to distinguish oneself in a scholarly way, at least in the sciences, one must pursue a very narrow range of interests. Scientists are specializing into subdisciplines of subdisciplines of disciplines simply to work with manageable chunks of knowledge. I imagine that writers and philosophers can be more well-rounded, since their fields are much more constant in terms of concepts.

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