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    Post Re: Classify people near China's West and guess their nationality

    Turkic. Uyghurs from Xinjiang Uygur Autonomous Region? But I am not qualified to do a racial classification.
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    Post Re: Classify people near China's West and guess their nationality

    Imo they are just Turanid or lets say Pamirid to be more specific. They show both Dinarid and Alpinoid features in a mix you can see in many regions of Eastern Europe and Central Asia.
    They are, no matter of which ethnic group they come from, Caucasoid.
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    Post Re: Classify people near China's West and guess their nationality

    These people look like Azeri Turks, but considering that they are from China then they are Uyghurs. Here are some more pictures of Uyghurs.

    http://www3.telus.net/geoffieboy/chi...an_olddude.jpg

    http://www3.telus.net/geoffieboy/chi...an_olddude.jpg

    http://www3.telus.net/geoffieboy/chi...kand_heads.jpg

    http://www3.telus.net/geoffieboy/chi...uitsellers.jpg

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    Post Re: Classify people near China's West and guess their nationality

    Oh, this man looks like my father 30 jears ago... PLease, describe me why you think he is Kaucas-Turanid/ or Pamirid?!



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    Post Re: Classify people near China's West and guess their nationality

    They don't look so blatantly Turanid to me.
    The Uzbeks I've seen on TV were much closer to the Turanid ideal.

    These guys look fully caucasoid, with no really visible Mongoloid ancestry.

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    Post Re: Classify people near China's West and guess their nationality

    Quote Originally Posted by Awar
    They don't look so blatantly Turanid to me.
    The Uzbeks I've seen on TV were much closer to the Turanid ideal.

    These guys look fully caucasoid, with no really visible Mongoloid ancestry.
    Turanid is to me a Caucasoid type, at least the Pamirid subtype is just a Caucasoid type which was assimilated in great parts of Central Asia by Mongoloid ethnic groups.
    Some call the mixture Turanid, but to call this still unstabilized mixture after a race is a question of definition and however, they are Pamirid (Caucasoid type) anyway.

    He brachycephalic headshape, the prominent nose, positive chin, form of the jaws and the relatively deep set eyes etc.
    All visible features are a mixture of Taurid and Alpinoid features.

    About the Turanid/Pamirid type:
    http://forums.skadi.net/showthread.p...hlight=Turanid
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    Quote Originally Posted by Awar
    They don't look so blatantly Turanid to me.
    The Uzbeks I've seen on TV were much closer to the Turanid ideal.

    These guys look fully caucasoid, with no really visible Mongoloid ancestry.
    They are definitely neither Turanid or Mongoloid, nor do they have any resamblance to both types. Uzbek is a very good example for Turanids.
    It often strikes me how broad that Turanid definition is constructed. If Pamirid and Aralid make up the Turanid definition then these people should not be classified as Pamirids (thus being Turanids). And no, they're not Uighurs, just living near China's West .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Agrippa
    Turanid is to me a Caucasoid type, at least the Pamirid subtype is just a Caucasoid type which was assimilated in great parts of Central Asia by Mongoloid ethnic groups.
    Some call the mixture Turanid, but to call this still unstabilized mixture after a race is a question of definition and however, they are Pamirid (Caucasoid type) anyway.

    He brachycephalic headshape, the prominent nose, positive chin, form of the jaws and the relatively deep set eyes etc.
    All visible features are a mixture of Taurid and Alpinoid features.

    About the Turanid/Pamirid type:
    http://forums.skadi.net/showthread.php?t=7180&highlight=Turanid
    Turan is very very old in its name and not of Turkic origin but of Aryan and its identity and struggles is connected with Farr (thus excluding any turkic or mongol element).

    Equating Turanids with Caucasoids would be true, but only in the historical sense. Later Turan has been crowded with Turko-Mongol hordes and lost its "europidness" in many parts.

    The assimilation of the Turan term into the Turkic culture, language, history and identity (sadly but irreversible) should be considered as an appeal to change the racial Turanid definition or better make a new one like Turkic/Turkoid.

    So basically I would say that Turanids (like the one from the Turanidenstudien) are not Caucasoids but Mongolids.

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    Look at the man of the first row, he is a very good example of a generalized Pamirid type and imo Caucasoid.

    I dont think it makes too much sense to make new classifications for unstabilized mixtures.

    Aralids are of course Europid-Mongolid, but there are older and newer forms and anyway, the original Turan-type and still living Pamirid type is Caucasoid.

    Whereas this type has his own justification, its something else with the unstabilized mixtures.

    Look, on the contrary these mixed individuals show Tungid and Pamirid features, but are pred. Mongolid and even of the more Tungid type.



    There is an high variation in their appearance and genetic structure, they are just not a stabilized population yet.
    I dont think it makes that much sense to call such mixed people, some 50:50, or 75:25 etc. mixed, all together an own type or subrace, that would be against the useful definitions of races and subraces.

    Even their offspring can be more Mongolid or Europid, changing from individuals in families, thats no race at all in my opinion.

    But of course, more or less stabilized populations could be called Aralid and Turanid in the wider sense, thats a possibility.

    But the real important thing is that the Caucasoid type of the Turanids, the Pamirid type, still exists and should be defined properly without using a term for an unstabilized mixed population.
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