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    I only care about Celtic and Germanic people, or North-West Europeans, if you prefer. So it would be 16 words for me.
    Well I think the problem here is that you need a slogan to sum up the struggle of all beleaguered White races whose homelands are being invaded by Third Worlders.

    The 14 Words sum things up quite concisely, even if incompletely, and if you start inserting conditions and opt-out clauses you'll end up with the 14 Paragraphs

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    Quote Originally Posted by Godwinson View Post
    Well I think the problem here is that you need a slogan to sum up the struggle of all beleaguered White races whose homelands are being invaded by Third Worlders.

    The 14 Words sum things up quite concisely, even if incompletely, and if you start inserting conditions and opt-out clauses you'll end up with the 14 Paragraphs


    But seriously, though, I think WN/Pan-Europeanists are worse than your average Joe when it comes to mate selection, since many seem to go out of their way to find a "white" of another ethnicity, while the average non-political man marries a local woman (i.e. someone usually of the same ethnicity, unless you live in a major city).

    And, to be honest, I think Eastern European, and to a lesser extent, Southern European "whites" have contributed substantially to the woes of NW Europe, at least recently. They're really part of the problem. Anything that encourages their acceptance, and even to a degree promotes mixing with them is NOT something I can believe in.

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    Yes this pan-White thing can actually be dangerous, as Hamar said. If someone from the North is a nationalist, but still thinks all within Europe are exactly the same, he might want to marry someone from southern Europe or some eastern European, believing that they are not mixing. That's why I wouldn't want to see "pan-Aryanists" taking control, because they are often multiculti people. "White Europe" is a bluff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Godwinson View Post
    Becoming an insular Dutch Nationalist is just missing the wider issue though, and it's a pity your views on Germanic Preservation don't stretch beyond your own country's borders.
    To the contrary, an insular ethnic nationalism squarely addresses the wider issue, because if there is any one wider issue which is our most distressing shortcoming it is the lack of an ethnocentric consciousness. A kinsman whose sympathies lie with all who are fellow whitelings and are therefor hesitant to put the interests of his and my own people above that of others is a potential traitor.

    In any case, if a fellow Afrikaner were to adopt Western white nationalism slogans and symbols, I'd tell him he's missing the point and betraying the character of Afrikaner nationalism.

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    Where must all this discussion lead? Either you find inspiration in the 14 words, or you don't. They're certainly not harmful to the cause, as they, as previously stated by others, mainly sum up the general purpose of the movement. It seems to me that Skadi houses a majority of talkers, not doers.

    If people can't even agree upon a simple slogan, because they feel the need to distance themselves from "all conformity", they are not being beneficial, or even truthful. They remind me of the "kvlt" attitude in Black Metal. Meaning there's no real ideological motivation behind the opposition of the "14 words", only a need to be different, to be superior to those who 'simply' accept it.

    When discussions like these erupt, it saddens me. Unity is power? Where is the unity? Diversity in the movement is to be expected, and is in many cases very beneficial, as it leads people to expand their views (within the 'appropriate' spectrum of course), and may be cause to very interesting discussions.

    This, however, is sad, in my opinion. I'm not reffering to all of you, i've read some interesting stuff in this thread. I just don't see the point in discussing a simple slogan, which, can be a gate-way for people who aren't yet fully convinced, but might see the need to preserve their children's world.

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    To the contrary, an insular ethnic nationalism squarely addresses the wider issue, because if there is any one wider issue which is our most distressing shortcoming it is the lack of an ethnocentric consciousness. A kinsman whose sympathies lie with all who are fellow whitelings and are therefor hesitant to put the interests of his and my own people above that of others is a potential traitor.

    In any case, if a fellow Afrikaner were to adopt Western white nationalism slogans and symbols, I'd tell him he's missing the point and betraying the character of Afrikaner nationalism.
    Okay Stormraaf, but if anyone seriously thinks that the forces undermining White American society and those undermining Dutch/German/Danish/South African ones etc.. are not the same then I beg to differ! To treat the White Dutch struggle as something totally detached from the American one (and others) is a huge mistake IMO and a perfect example of the mentality that the “divide and rule” nation-haters are trying to create.

    I may have misunderstood Autumn's exact message but to not adhere to an idea simply because it's an American one rather than a Dutch one seems foolish, as does declaring ...

    I am no longer Dutch anymore – I never was – I am Zeelandic - I want Zealand to become independent of The Netherlands (see Shoutbox)

    Where does this silliness all end??? I'm sorry but it becomes ridiculous when you start dividing an already small group (Whites are now just 8% of the world's population with WN's a mere fraction of this!) and picking holes in the 14 Words just because they don't pertain specifically to YOUR sub-group.

    Talk about granting ourselves luxuries we cannot afford!

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    Quote Originally Posted by sumadartson View Post
    Where must all this discussion lead? Either you find inspiration in the 14 words, or you don't. They're certainly not harmful to the cause, as they, as previously stated by others, mainly sum up the general purpose of the movement. It seems to me that Skadi houses a majority of talkers, not doers.

    If people can't even agree upon a simple slogan, because they feel the need to distance themselves from "all conformity", they are not being beneficial, or even truthful. They remind me of the "kvlt" attitude in Black Metal. Meaning there's no real ideological motivation behind the opposition of the "14 words", only a need to be different, to be superior to those who 'simply' accept it.

    When discussions like these erupt, it saddens me. Unity is power? Where is the unity? Diversity in the movement is to be expected, and is in many cases very beneficial, as it leads people to expand their views (within the 'appropriate' spectrum of course), and may be cause to very interesting discussions.

    This, however, is sad, in my opinion. I'm not reffering to all of you, i've read some interesting stuff in this thread. I just don't see the point in discussing a simple slogan, which, can be a gate-way for people who aren't yet fully convinced, but might see the need to preserve their children's world.
    Besides my other point the whole 14 words world is also strongly connected to this:


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    This is just another of those unflattering photos you've found on the Internet to discredit a group you disagree with. This is becoming very boring and the photo in question is in no way representative of the movement as a whole!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ancient Autumn View Post
    Besides my other point the whole 14 words world is also strongly connected to this:


    So basically you're speaking from a personal disgust of people with shaven heads, not a very well-based political view. I'm sorry, is the movement so well-established and large on numbers we can discredit any who take another approach on the cause? Sure, some skinheads are damaging to the cause in the way of bad publicity. But do we ever get good publicity ? Even the Nobel prize winner James Watson, whose co-discovery of DNA revolutionized the field of genetics, was shunned after releasing the results of a study stating Africans were of lower intellectual capacities than Whites.

    This is exactly what i mean. How can we ever progress as a Movement, when people of all fractions look down on each other? You propably think the skinhead movement is one of drunks and brutes, which, in some cases, it is. There's also a vast number of ideologically upright people within the skin movement, who put their own safety and freedom at risk to attract people to the cause, through music, propaganda, marches, demos, books, etc.

    When the 'intelligentsia' shuns the 'foot soldier', where will this end?

    "Divide and Conquer" - ZOG is doing a good job, and it seems you're unwilling to oppose it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Godwinson View Post
    Okay Stormraaf, but if anyone seriously thinks that the forces undermining White American society and those undermining Dutch/German/Danish/South African ones etc.. are not the same then I beg to differ! To treat the White Dutch struggle as something totally detached from the American one (and others) is a huge mistake IMO and a perfect example of the mentality that the “divide and rule” nation-haters are trying to create.

    I may have misunderstood Autumn's exact message but to not adhere to an idea simply because it's an American one rather than a Dutch one seems foolish, as does declaring ...

    I am no longer Dutch anymore – I never was – I am Zeelandic - I want Zealand to become independent of The Netherlands (see Shoutbox)
    Many Frisian people in Friesland also want Friesland to become independent of the Netherlands, it is not something never heard of or new.
    Where does this silliness all end??? I'm sorry but it becomes ridiculous when you start dividing an already small group (Whites are now just 8% of the world's population with WN's a mere fraction of this!) and picking holes in the 14 Words just because they don't pertain specifically to YOUR sub-group.

    Talk about granting ourselves luxuries we cannot afford!
    So what then ? erase all European borders ? make one big white land ?

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