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    Thanks for your post Jack, very informative and easy to understand. In relation to your post I must say I consider myself an Idealist with Platonist tendencies and with a fascination towards Nietzsche's ideas of Nobility and the Overman and his Good European outlook transcending Chauvinistic intra-European resentment and conflict.

    Plato's Idealism and Statistic synthesis of Capitalism and Socialism/Communism shares my support, morever his Eugenicism is something to support (though I never read about it). It must be seen in what manner he saw the Class Divisions within the Ideal Platonic Society, and whether these Classes are Organic and Flexible destroying any Hereditary Pattern but rather showing an Acquired Pattern of Classes.

    Damn, I cannot find my copy of The Republic anywhere, I would love to read it now.

    P.S. What does weltanshauung mean?

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    Why is Nietzsche's Philosophy rejecting all Idealism?
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    Nietzsche hates idealism because from his perspective it leads to the mental escapism of Christianity (i.e. don't worry about this world, pray and you'll get somewhere better), and so Nietzsche discarded idealism altogether and said we must live in this world and not look for anything else, be the best we can be and use pain as a means to more strength. The exercise of strength and power, Nietzsche believed, was the definition of happiness. Contrast this to the Christian belief of the jelous God and you can understand why Nietzsche wanted to do away with idealism altogther.

    Weltanshauung is a German word for an all-encompassing political-philosophical worldview.
    All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream at night, in the dusky recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity. But the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act their dreams, with open eyes, to make it possible.

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    Post The Aryan Hierarchy

    I agree with Jack's definitions in the main.

    Platonic Metaphysics [e.g., Idealism, Forms] are to be opposed to objectivist First Philosophy and Nietzscheanism for the reasons he gave.

    I will add that Nietzsche thought that the Aryan outlook [which he sees as primarily, but not only, objectivist] had been turned up-side down by Idealism.

    I interpret this to refer to the change in Aryan caste order, where the once dominant Warrior caste [and therefore objectivist caste as all warriors need to be] was usurped by the priestly caste.
    In their lust for power, the priests made the spiritual realm [a realm we do not deny] into the 'real' world, and the objective world - the here and now of the body and the earth - was made into an illusion.

    So I do not see in Nietzsche a complete rejection of the spiritual, but rather a return to the spiritual world being subject to the warrior out-look. Spirituality then becomes a consolation for the warrior, and the domain of the creative artist.

    There is not an either/or, but a 'transvaluation of values'.
    At the top is the Body, the Earth and the physical struggle.
    Below that is the realm of ideas and art which essentially serve the physical struggle and glorify the warrior.

    Dead warriors DO exist in the spirit realm; souls DO reincarnate etc., but these metaphysical realms are nothing without the flesh and blood of the living warrior.

    Given all that, I must disagree with Jack on one important point;
    I personally find that Nietzsche's Ubermensch [Superman] has more in common with Aristotle's 'Great Souled Man' than it does with anything in Plato.
    Note that Jack puts Aristotle in the opposing Objectivist camp, rather than in the Platonist Idealist camp.

    I say this because Nietzsche [unlike Plato] was careful to reject any Idealist interpretation of Great Men.
    Nietzsche gave examples from history of those who he thought closest to his Superman; the examples given were always conquerors and warriors, such as Julius Caesar, Napoleon and Cesare Borgia.
    There was nothing 'ideal' about those men!

    He talked of 'types', rather than ideals, and his 'type' of the Aryan conqueror was the 'Blond Beast'.

    Again, we see that the Warrior caste is paramount.
    In ethical terms, this is Master Morality.

    Importantly, Master Morality is anti-universal; it only works within the caste.

    Within the caste [i.e., race] the highest standards of honour and chivalry are observed; outside of it, the Blond Beast prevails.

    To conclude my diatribe here, I will say that our Aryan metaphysics must be STRATIFIED.
    It must be dominated by the objectivist warrior outlook which is underpinned by First Philosophy.
    However this MUST inter-relate with a Spiritualist outlook which is there to serve the warrior outlook.

    The best example of this is one word - VALHALLA.

    The priest, the prophet, just like the artist, are servants of the Warrior.
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    Why are there beings at all, & why not rather nothing?
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    Exclamation Racialist Master Morality

    The Aryan Race requires a return to a Master Morality, the rediscovery of its Faustian Spirit and the revival of a Conquering attitude. Essentially, current Western and European Civilisation is anti-thetical to all of this and in radical opposition to the Nobility of a Master. It is basically at the mediocre level of a Hedonistic Individualist Spiritually, that revels in anything that is Morally Degenerate and has Egalitarianism and Universalism as his Mistresses.

    To destroy this current state of affairs we require a Racialist Master Morality. Masters are Individuals above norm that gather around them Collectives to lead. Masters can embrace Blood & Soil and elevate the Race from the pits of Racial Degeneracy, Masters are the real Leaders!

    To conclude my diatribe here, I will say that our Aryan metaphysics must be STRATIFIED.
    It must be dominated by the objectivist warrior outlook which is underpinned by First Philosophy.
    However this MUST inter-relate with a Spiritualist outlook which is there to serve the warrior outlook.
    The Warrior Outlook, or rather the Master Morality which is essentially of this world must be integrated in Synthesis with the Idealistic and Metaphysical in order to achieve a higher level. Essentially it is Master Morality that must dominate as that is the guide to this world. Strength, Pride, Honour, Discipline, Blood and Fatherland these are noble values that must permeate our Racialist Ethos. We require a Racialist Master Morality!

    The best example of this is one word - VALHALLA.
    I would like to provide here what an Asatruar told me are the Nine Important Virtues of Asatru which we should adoperate:

    • STRENGTH IS BETTER THAN WEAKNESS - Let others wallow in their vulnerability! We are not ashamed to be strong. The cult of the anti-hero will find no support in us, and the Gods we follow are not for the weak.
    • COURAGE IS BETTER THAN COWARDICE - By facing life's struggles with courage, we constantly extend our capabilities. Without courage, nothing else can be done!
    • JOY IS BETTER THAN GUILT - Let us take pleasure in our humanity, rather than being ashamed of who we are. Misplaced guilt because of our sexuality, or our strength, or our greatness, has enslaved us long enough!
    • HONOR IS BETTER THAN DISHONOR - We must be true to what we are and what we believe, and we must always act with nobility rather than baseness. Our personal standards must be banners held high in our hearts!
    • FREEDOM IS BETTER THAN SLAVERY - We have no master! Those who would enslave us, whatever their excuse, are our enemies. The totalitarian ant nest is repugnant to those who demand the free, bracing wind of the Northlands!
    • KINSHIP IS BETTER THAN ALIENATION - The isolation and loneliness of modern life is foreign to us, nor it is a necessary evil. We call our Folk to return to kith and kin, to family, clan and tribe.
    • REALISM IS BETTER THAN DOGMATISM - Blind faith has no place in Asatru. Our ancestors may have been sublimely mystical, but they were at the same time severely practical. We must respond to this world, and act in it rather than wait calmly for the next.
    • VIGOR IS BETTER THAN LIFELESSNESS - Do, and dare! Take risks and taste the richness of life. We refuse to be mere spectators. Passivity is for sheep, and we prefer to be wolves!
    • ANCESTRY IS BETTER THAN UNIVERSALISM - Asatru springs from the soul of the Northern peoples, and it is suited by its very nature to our needs. It is intertwined with our existence as a people. We respect all, but it is right and just that we honor our own ancestors first.


    Now we might not agree with everything, but this is Master Morality.

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    What is the relationship between the racial Spirits and the universe? I think we can use this as a base for something.
    All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream at night, in the dusky recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity. But the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act their dreams, with open eyes, to make it possible.

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    Post Beyond good and evil, but not beyond Good and Bad

    This means that the Christian/Enlightenment Morality is rejected, but not the pagan Master Morality, which divides humans between Noble and Base, or Good and Bad.

    1)
    To our Jew/Christian/Enlightenment friends we are 'evil', but then that is due to their reversed view of the world, as we would expect from our antipodes.

    We have arrived here at an Ethics - yes, a code of behaviour which is appropriate to caste. I underpin this Ethics with the First Philosophy of Will to Power.
    But we are not looking for an Ethics here as such.

    This Ethics is not a Metaphysics in the sense we need for this forum of tradition and lore, i.e., in the Idealist sense.
    It cannot answer the question;
    "What makes the belief in a Valhalla possible"?

    2)
    Here I come to our Manichean Metaphysics; Darkness versus Light.

    The bridge between this Metaphysics and the First Philosophy of Will to Power is the Conspiracy View of History.
    Once we leave the reach of known history [or even before], Aryan versus Jew becomes Light versus Dark.

    The Zarathustran Duality which sees the Universe as an endless struggle of polarities - Fire and Ice.

    This struggle manifests itself in culture as Aryan versus Jew, and in Race, as White versus Black.
    Why are there beings at all, & why not rather nothing?
    [Leibniz/Heidegger]

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    That can't work, sorry. Fact is I live in a country in which blacks are a very small issue, but is being colonised in massive numbers by Asians. I reject dualism entirely. Sorry, can't work - how do you fit muslims, turks and east asians in that? mix bloods?
    All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream at night, in the dusky recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity. But the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act their dreams, with open eyes, to make it possible.

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    Post Sol Invictus

    I am putting forward that which works for myself, if it doesn't work for others - fine; let them propose their alternatives.

    1)

    As I said, this Weltanschauung of mine works on several levels.

    First Philosophy says that; 'life is Will to Power' at its most foundational level.

    There is thus a Struggle.

    A Struggle presupposes a conflict of at least two competing elements.

    In my Metaphysics of Higher Forms, this struggle involves the forces of Light against Darkness.

    In our limited historical/cultural terms [and the history we know of is but a tiny and infinitesimal chink of the wider Universe in the great swathe of Time], this struggle manifests itself as Aryan versus Jew.

    2)

    Your own objections apply to an even smaller section of that historical/cultural area.

    Australia, as we all know, was colonised VERY RECENTLY by the British. Before then it was inhabited for THOUSANDS of years prior, by the Aborigines etc.,

    Islam is a non-Aryan religion, although it can co-exist [but separately] with Aryan culture as it always has done.

    Indeed, the dualistic outlook announces the NECESSITY of its opposites, its antipodes, its antitheses [ although it abhors the tendency of promiscuous mix-breeds to sully Whiteness].

    It does not seek to eradicate the Darkness, as one could not live in perpetual Light.

    Rather, its goal is to create the Superhuman Light, against the ever gathering storm clouds of Darkness.

    It is a Lightning from the Dark Cloud.
    Why are there beings at all, & why not rather nothing?
    [Leibniz/Heidegger]

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    Well, here's my alternative....

    In the beginning there was the Void of nothingness. A consciousness stirred in the Void, and that consciousness was God (rest assured, this is certainly not Jewish). After long contemplation, God spent his energy to create the universe, and in the effort of creation he lost his essential unity and became mad, dividing up into three Spirits. His consciousness dissipated into the universe he created, and the history of all hitherto humanity is the development and conflict of those Spirits, incarnated through the Races, towards their final End, the domination of one Spirit over the Universe and the return of God.

    The Dark Spirit exist within the Dark Races, and can be defined by its natural tendency towards lowly existance, hand to mouth struggle, and the ecstatic, and is little more than animal with consciousness. Its very existance implies the achievement of its Final End, as that is merely the motivation of the animal - survive, expand and destroy all Higher Spirits.

    The Asiatic Spirit animates the Asian races, or rather doesn't animate them: without foreign influence, the Asiatic Spirit reveals itself as the will to nothingness - to asceticism, to absolute self control, to peace, to conservatism, in Buddhism, Confucionism and Taoism - in short, to escape from this world, to an Otherworld. This world is only of relevance so long as the Void is of relevance - this proves itself in the Magian world as the constant struggle towards a higher-than-earth power - towards Jehova, towards Allah. The Asiatic will is a will to an abstraction, and this will to power through abstraction is most dominant in the Jewish Race (note: Race is a biological-spiritual community, and not just biological), and is revealed through the post-Babylon attitude of the Jewish Race as the persecuted chosen slaves of God, rather than the previous attitude as the Chosen Lords of the Earth. The attitude change is subtle but important, and is most revealed in the language of many Christians - "God fearing". The Jewish Race, after being detatched from its religious grounding, has found its refuge in its consistant drive towards explaining and defining the world through abstractions - "Dialectical Materialism", "Freudian psychoanalysis", "Liberal Democracy", "International Capitalism".

    The Aryan Spirit, on the other hand, is the Asiatic Spirit turned upside down - it puts the abstraction into form rather than attempt to tear all form from everything and be left with a skeletal abstraction. The Aryan Spirit is simply the will to mastery - Truth, Honour, Self Discipline, Power, Loyalty, Self-Elevation, Infinite Victory, Integrity, Personal Excellence, Creation. Although the Aryan Spirit has been distorted by the Asiatic Spirit through Christianity, since the fall of Christianity, it is the continued Asiatic influence, through the Jewish Spirit, over the Aryan Race that has prevented a natural revaluation of all values. The annihilation of the Asiatic Spirit influence over the Aryan Race is nessecary for the realisation of the Final End of the Aryan Spirit - the perfect unification and total mobilization of the Aryan Race, which can be summarised in the words God and Empire.

    The perfect unification of the Aryan Spirit and Race requires the recognition of the natural five Castes - the Statesmen, the Aristocracy, the Industrialists, the Priests and the Workers.

    The Statesmen are the political elite, those whose tendency, or spirit, is to lead and nothing else. They embody the military virtues of the Aristocracy, the will to power of the Industrialists and the natural generosity of the Priests with a natural drive to lead. These will form the leadership of the Empire. Backing them will be the Aristocracy. The Officer class, built out of the revolutionary leaders, would govern their native regions, supported by a council of elected representatives of the people.

    Embodying the economic incarnation of the will to power, the Industrialist Caste will be a free-form elite which will provide the economic foundations of the Empire, employing the Worker Caste and driven by the will to survive, enhance and expand across infinite space, it will be the strength of the Empire.

    The Worker Caste will be made of the mass of the Aryan population, those who do not care greatly for Heroism, Leadership, Immovable Will to Power or overflowing generosity - in other words, the Common Man, for whom the words "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness" ring perfectly true. This Caste is ill suited for leadership on a grand scale and by all sense of Justice it will stay that way.

    Protecting the Empire with its moral excellence in the eyes of the Common Man, the Priest Caste is made of those whose spirit is naturally orientated towards generosity and iron self discipline in the face of sensuality and the common instincts.

    The Aryan Spirit and Race, united in the Empire, is the fist, mind, consciousness and incarnation of God, the will to infinite power over the universe. With the other Spirits there can be no compromise - were they to be united under the Aryan Empire, the Spirits would mix and chaos would reign free, as it has before in all hitherto existing Empires, or if the Empire stops short, then it would be overrun and the Aryan Spirit and Race, as it is in the situation it is faced now, it faces annihilation - the situation must be reversed, and towards this end the preparation of a culture of total mobilization must be created. Even in the absence of other Spirits, we still have a universe to conquer, and it is in our innate Spirit to seek infinite space amongst the stars. Survival is only the beginning.

    =============================

    Question: If Apollo is logic, and Dionysius is energy, and you cross both with extreme strength, don't you end up with the Faustian spirit?
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    I have to question your first sentence;

    "In the Beginning etc., etc.,".

    Which is virtually the outlook given in Genesis.

    I find this anti-Metaphysical and religious.

    I would rather say that the Cosmos/CHAOS IS Eternal - there is no 'beginning'.
    Last edited by Moody; Monday, December 11th, 2006 at 02:06 PM. Reason: updated thread
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