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    Post Your Ideal Society/Civilisation

    But post your idea on your ideal society/civilization. Get into as much detail as you can or are willing to. Go through it all - political structure, education system, taxes, economics, religion, youth, foreign policy, the works.
    All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream at night, in the dusky recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity. But the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act their dreams, with open eyes, to make it possible.

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    Post Children of the Corn

    Are you familiar with the works of Hillare Belloc?

    I've probably spelt his name wrong but is it any good?

    I was speaking to a temp at work and he was telling me about Castro and how he got all the kids to work in the fields come harvest time, I know very little about old Fidel and I can't say I'm a fan but the idea of CONTRIBUTION / DISTRIBUTION has got to be important. I mean the kids were workig in the fields as a means of helping the economy of the state, they were contributing, I think this is something which we in the consumer 'take, take, take' West have lost track of.

    I mean, which youth can call himself a 'Man', the 15 year old that works 8 hours in a field during the summer with the rest of his village that contributes to his society, or the 15 year old spoilt brat that has everything brought for him, Eminem CD's, clothes, cars etc.. and munches down on burgers and fries all the time!

    The kids are educated as in any other country but while they are students they do not contribute anything 'material' at that given time, however they make up for this when they work in the field, this is the same principle that I had when I was at University.

    Not only does this allow kids to contribute to society it also teaches them the beauty of an honest days work, this is something which many of todays Western youth unfortunately know very little of.

    Regarding religion, I would much rather favour a religion of the land for the masses, not exactly pagan with altars and idols, but rather an embracement of Nature itself as an entity. Spiritually I feel there is a vacuum in Western society, the millenia old decay of Christianity is on its last legs anyway, a religion of truth, spirit and community would be better than the evils from the pulpit!

    Foreign policy should be dicacted purely on how the relationship best benefits the contributing citizens, it's OK sending millions of dollars in aid to other nations that don't really like us and won't help us if we were in the same situation if you have millions of dollars to spare and a population so gullible to fund this. Personally, if I were head of some state and we had a good harvest or something like that and the next state to me were my friends but had a bad harvest, I'd have no problems giving them my surplus in exchange for a mutual bond in case we had a bad harvest the next year. But I wouldn't give a bean to some corrupt state thousands of miles away that couldn't give a hoot about me or mine.


    I think this is going to be a good discussion, I look forward to debating and evaluating other ideas. I feel that the key term here is ORGANIC, that we can have policies which can change, evolve and restructure according to the unique situations a State finds itself in, we must not be afraid of flexibility and compromise as long as it best benefits the population.
    "Only through a re-integration of Humanity into the whole of Nature can our People be made stronger."

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    Post I am still defining my ideas

    I am still defining my ideas regarding everything and I am still defining myself, so basically what I offer now is not my eternal credo as to the affairs of the Race and State.

    There are multiple levels of State and different amounts of State power. Most importantly all the States must follow a Hierarchy which is solid and firmly defined. The Leadership principle is essential, all bare responsibility for their actions but it is the Leaders that are finally responsible and it is them that must direct the State for optimal performance for the benefit of the citizenry most of all, and also for the benefit of a Strong Organic State which is ever flexible to accomodate the ever changing and evolving requirements of the populace. I am essentially Idealistically Authoritarian but allow the populace's will to be represented. Most important under this aspect is the abolishment of Multi-Party Representative Democracy, yet with the introduction of referenda on critical issues.

    Essentially I believe in Nationalisation of Industry and Protectionism to safeguard the Employment of our Citizens. I consider myself literally a Pan-Aryan European Racialist and Socialist Economically. Autarky and Self-Sufficiency on the Racial level is highly important and one of the prerequisites of a more complete and integral Racial Independence.

    I believe in the dissolution of the Nation States and the creation of smaller Regional States with high autonomy on certain issues. The Regional States must answer to a Central European Racial State which defines certain policies which for the benefit of the whole Race must be defined Racially and not Regionally.

    I am against all sorts of aid which is not Intra-Racial or which does not serve the interests of the Race. At times helping others outside of our Race will prove beneficial, but most importantly the State should not bother to devolve its resources for the safeguarding of other Races. Our main objective must be to increase our Population Percentage as a Race withing the Human Species. For this to happen we need to instate benefits for families especially for young couples to reproduce our Race, which is the greatest benefit one can offer to his Race, excepting solely the sacrifice in battle.

    This is all I can think of at the moment. I would much rather have answered a set of questions to cover most topics, that would have made my position simpler. I am sure there is much more to discuss upon and my ideas are still quite vague.

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    Nazz,

    I wrote a really lengthy reply to you with a cartoon I took off an Anarchist web site but it won't let me do it as the file was too long.

    I'll reply back to this discussion thread when I have more time!

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    Originally posted by Jotunheim
    Nazz,

    I wrote a really lengthy reply to you with a cartoon I took off an Anarchist web site but it won't let me do it as the file was too long.

    I'll reply back to this discussion thread when I have more time!

    J
    Sure man. Anarchist website? Hmmm. Don't like those people.

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    Me neither, it's just nice to see other ideas and see if they can be developed to suit our own needs.

    I agree that they are too egalitarian and 'free for all' but the image was quite cool, it sort of summed up what I was trying to say about workers cooperatives.

    I got onto it by typing in Syndicalism and ended up on an Anarcho-Syndicalist web site, not read much of their stuff but it's OK to see other ideal, how else can I judge my own beliefs if I don't pass criticism or praise for others.
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    In an Autarchy / Autarky, that is a self sufficient state, how can regional trade be accomplished?

    I mean, I like to cook Mediteranean type meals and it might be difficult to grow certain things in England, as an autarky, how can I get a bottle of olive oil?

    Can a sensible amount of regional trade be accomplished within the system of autarky?

    Look forward to your replies



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