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    Post Richard McCulloch on Ladogans

    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/north-...o/message/4128

    From: Richard McCulloch <archon@r...>
    Date: Fri Mar 21, 2003 7:14 pm
    Subject: Re: [north-euro-anthro] Re: Battle-Axe types




    Before I discuss Joseph's post, I would like to address the
    misconception, or misrepresentation, that either the SNPA or I classify
    Ladogans as a partially Mongoloid type. I have never written this, nor
    am I aware that the SNPA has written this. In fact, when this
    misconception was raised earlier I made this point and said that the
    SNPA does not even have a page for the Ladogans. I regard the Ladogans
    much as I regard the Alpines and Dinarics -- as a Caucasoid race on the
    periphery of the Nordish racial group.
    At the eastern side of its
    geographic range the Ladogan race borders the geographic range of
    Mongoloid peoples, and in this clinal zone there are partially Mongoloid
    Ladogan elements, but in my opinion the Ladogan type as such should be
    considered Caucasoid......
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    Post Re: Richard McCulloch on Ladogans

    Originally posted by Prodigal Son
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    Date: Fri Mar 21, 2003 7:14 pm
    Subject: Re: [north-euro-anthro] Re: Battle-Axe types




    Before I discuss Joseph's post, I would like to address the
    misconception, or misrepresentation, that either the SNPA or I classify
    Ladogans as a partially Mongoloid type. I have never written this, nor
    am I aware that the SNPA has written this. In fact, when this
    misconception was raised earlier I made this point and said that the
    SNPA does not even have a page for the Ladogans. I regard the Ladogans
    much as I regard the Alpines and Dinarics -- as a Caucasoid race on the
    periphery of the Nordish racial group. At the eastern side of its
    geographic range the Ladogan race borders the geographic range of
    Mongoloid peoples, and in this clinal zone there are partially Mongoloid
    Ladogan elements, but in my opinion the Ladogan type as such should be
    considered Caucasoid......
    I don't know why he pretends to be unaware of this. I posted to the old list before these questions, because his conception of a Ladogan is very different from SNPA's statement on their website.

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    http://www.fikas.no/~sprocket/snpa/gloss1.htm

    LADOGAN RACE

    Partly reduced, partly Mongolid brachycephal of the eastern forests of Russia and eastern Finland; seldom found in its true form, while two blended varieties, East Baltic and Neo-Danubian, predominate in eastern Europe, Russia, and the Baltic nations; belonging to the Upper Paleolithic group, and related to the Lappish type of northern Scandinavia; Alexander Lebed is a Russian Ladogan:
    -

    It's clearly stated it's partly Mongolid, not -oid, not -ish, but -id. I think McCulloch's take is that it's not a Mongolid, but similar to an Alpine having incipient Mongoloid traits. I would classify Tom Ridge as partly Ladogan in the latter respect.
    Last edited by Nordhammer; Monday, March 24th, 2003 at 09:31 AM.

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    Post Re: Ladogans

    Originally posted by ladygoeth33
    Aren't they an archaic race dating from the times when Mongoloids and Caucasoids branched apart from one another? Don't they have a resemblance to the Ainu people?
    She may have a point. Perhaps they are a stagnant strain that has been in existence since around the time of this split. That would explain them having traits from both races.

    This theory reminds me of the duck-billed platypus, which is an evolutionary stagnant type, representing an intermediate form between reptiles and mammals.

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    Post Re: Ladogans

    Originally posted by ladygoeth33
    Aren't they an archaic race dating from the times when Mongoloids and Caucasoids branched apart from one another? Don't they have a resemblance to the Ainu people?
    I'm not sure how useful the classification is really. IMO, if racial classifications can't be used in a productive manner then they should be thrown out. It has to have some relevance in our modern times. A "pure Ladogan" is very rare if even exists, so then it's not very useful as far as I can tell. Someone could actually be 1/4 Mongoloid and be classified as Ladogan, so it becomes confusing.

    Take Tom Ridge for instance, his baby pictures look actually Mongoloid, as LadyGoeth can attest. Is it just incipient or real? We cannot know for sure without further evidence.

    Ladogans aren't a recognized ethnic group as far as I can tell, so studying them doesn't seem possible in a real way. Lapps on the other hand are a real group and they have been studied, genetically too. Coon thought that Lapps were similar to the Ladogan idea, Europeans evolved in a Mongoloid direction and no history of real Mongolid invasion exists. But we see that genetically, they are actually hybrids, whether by admixture or by evolution - they are indeed half Mongolid.

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    People who border with mongoloids in the east and white people in the west (the clinal zone), who have many mongoloid traits.... Remnants of the split, or just a mix? It's not a hard question....

    Anyone who thinks that these people aren't mixed are just using wishful thinking. And they are also usually slavs eyes:
    Last edited by GreenHeart; Wednesday, March 26th, 2003 at 07:42 AM.

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    Richard McCulloch isn't a Slav.

    To be mixed with Ladogans is the same as being mixed with Alpines or Mediterraneans. Finland & Germany has plenty Ladogan admixture, is a Ladogan German or Finn more "Aryan" (or whatever word you prefer) than a Ladogan Slav? eyes:

    I showed you that Germany used share a border with Russia (and Finland still does), but you had no comment on that.

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    Originally posted by ladygoeth33
    Richard McCulloch isn't a Slav.

    To be mixed with Ladogans is the same as being mixed with Alpines or Mediterraneans. Finland & Germany has plenty Ladogan admixture, is a Ladogan German or Finn more "Aryan" (or whatever word you prefer) than a Ladogan Slav? eyes:

    I showed you that Germany used share a border with Russia (and Finland still does), but you had no comment on that.

    McCulloch is doing something most people also know about and do, he's changing the facts to fit the moment, probably to avoid offending some moronic slavs.

    It doesn't matter much that Germany bordered once with Russia, Germans have always been proud people and have always hated mixed russians and other slavic muds. Germans generally stick to their own kind. Just ask any modern German what they think of the Russians who terrorize Germany - the same bloodline of those who helped betray the land of my ancestors to Poland and other slavic lands- the people who have been against us from the beginning and remain so today.

    Not that I hate all Russian things, I liked the Nutcracker and Anastasia

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    People who border with mongoloids in the east and white people in the west (the clinal zone), who have many mongoloid traits.... Remnants of the split, or just a mix? It's not a hard question....
    You make a good point.

    Yet the population lying between true Europid and Mongoloid peoples are those East of the Urals, who, as you pointed out, have acquired some mongoloid blood.

    Such peoples are generally Altaics, Mari, or mixed Ladogans.

    Pure Ladogans, however, can be said to be generally Europid due to their prevailingly light pigmentation. These Ladogans are the ones by which are found largely in Slavic populations.

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    Originally posted by Trønder
    You make a good point.

    Yet the population lying between true Europid and Mongoloid peoples are those East of the Urals, who, as you pointed out, have acquired some mongoloid blood.

    Such peoples are generally Altaics, Mari, or mixed Ladogans.

    Pure Ladogans, however, can be said to be generally Europid due to their prevailingly light pigmentation. These Ladogans are the ones by which are found largely in Slavic populations.
    Its no use talking sense to NP88. She calls anyone living in Russia a "Slavic mud." I for one am sick of the anti-Russian hatemongering on this board. I am leaving. Good luck to all the good people here.

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