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    http://www.geocities.com/refuting_rm/admixture.html

    Maternal admixture
    For convenience, I will use the data from Helgason et al. (2001) -- even though M and L are lumped together, and some of the geographic divisions aren't as fine as one might like. I may do a more detailed analysis using more sources at some point in the future.

    Superhaplogroup M represents Asian or East African admixture. Haplogroup L is sub-Saharan. Haplogroups A through D represent Asian or Amerindian admixture.

    M and L A, B, C D Total
    Bulgaria/Turkey 2.92% 6.86% 9.78%
    European Russia 1.40% 3.72% 5.12%
    Spain/Portugal 1.99% 2.27% 4.26%
    France/Italy 2.42% 0.80% 3.22%
    Germany 1.14% 0.57% 1.71%
    Finland/Estonia 0.99% 0.50% 1.49%
    Scandinavia 0.47% 0.32% 0.79%
    England/Wales 0.47% 0.23% 0.70%
    Scotland 0.11% 0.11% 0.22%
    Iceland 0% 0.43% 0.43%
    Ireland 0% 0% 0%

    The trend is clear. Just as common sense would indicate, admixture is highest in the south and east, and lowest in the northwest. Contrary to the hopes of some southern Europeans, even Mongoloid admixture is higher in southern Europe than in northern Europe. And, as discussed above, haplogruops A, C, and D, are positively selected for by northern climates, so the real difference may be even larger than indicated here.

    Also, keep in mind that examining mtDNA haplogroups is by no means a perfect method for determining admixture. mtDNA is more sensitive to genetic drift than nuclear genes (the effective population size is reduced by a factor of four). Over time, mtDNA lineages will die out. Some women will have sons but no daughters. This means that foreign mtDNA markers can be lost while foreign autosomal genes remain. This is true even given a stable population size, but it is especially true in periods of population decline, of which southern Europe has experienced several.
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    Last edited by Prodigal Son; Wednesday, March 12th, 2003 at 12:13 AM.

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    European Russia means ethnic russians or all the peoples including bashkirs, chuvash, mari, udmurt, mordva, tatars (about 20% of all the population of european part)? They all belong to either altaic or uralic families. If so then there is no doubt it can be 5%.

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    The one for "European Russian" includes Turkics and Finno-Ugrics, not just Russians. Russians themselves must have around 4%, I would guess.
    Last edited by Prodigal Son; Thursday, March 13th, 2003 at 11:23 PM.

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    According to this site its 2% in maternal linages.

    in russian though

    http://www.vigg.ru/humangenome/publicat/borinsk5.html

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